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Bastards as Septons/Septas Edit

"It is not known if a bastard may become a Septon/Septa." I would disagree about that. Tyene Sand, one of Oberyn Martells bastarddaughters, is a septa! Shouldn't that be changed in the article? --Exodianecross (talk) 13:19, November 7, 2014 (UTC)

...Of course.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 19:15, November 7, 2014 (UTC)

Female Bastards Edit

A question, should we point out that female bastards have a more difficult status than the male ones? Not just because Westeros is a androcentristic society in which even trueborn daughters of the nobility have less rights than the sons, it's also the point that a male bastard can become a men-at-arms and receive knighthood while women don't have the chance to rise in that way. The only female bastards that were introduced in the show till now are Ellaria Sand and the older Sand Snakes, but the dornish culture has a very relaxed point of view on bastards than the rest of Westeros. The books had a few more bastards that showed other female characters with the "stigma" of being baseborn and how they have to spend their life! --Exodianecross (talk) 15:57, November 18, 2015 (UTC)

...I don't think we can really draw any conclusions about female bastards being that different, other than that women in general are second class citizens in Westeros. I mean, Mya Stone was a prominent bastard in the Vale. Jaime also seems to think well of Joy Hill, his bastard cousin. That's really more of a women in general thing. Also, remember that the Faith of the Seven has a gender-blind clergy: bastard daughters can be sent off to become septas, even rise through the ranks to positions of relative power.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 02:11, November 19, 2015 (UTC)
I understand. But after I red about several female bastards, this let me thought that they are a very special class of people! Male bastards can become knights, rise, become even member of the "Kingsguard" and sometimes the Lord Commander! They have the chance to create their own noble house. In contrast the baseborn women like Mya Stone or Falia Flowers are just servants in the novels, female bastards could become Septas but there are no more opportunities. The way of a warrior woman seems also unusual, with the few exceptions that exist in Westeros for this special kind of warrior. Maybe I try to write this in the article, you can check it and decide to keep it or to delete Dragon! --Exodianecross (talk) 02:28, November 19, 2015 (UTC)
But as TDD said, that has more to do with women in general being subservient in Westerosi society. You're welcome to do a write-up if you want, but please post it here on the talk-page, not the article itself.--Ser Patrek (talk) 12:39, November 19, 2015 (UTC)

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