Just watched the pilot ep again Edit
I like how Eddard said when a man judges another to die, it must be by his own sword. Sad foreshadowing.. since Joffrey obviously doesn't have that same dignity. What a punk. --QueenBuffy 15:17, August 20, 2011 (UTC)
Death reaction Edit
I've started a section on media and fan reaction to Ned's death. I found it quite amusing how folks were so angered at HBO and the writers for doing that, seemingly unaware that Martin had always killed Ned off after the first book. I just created a bit of a template; I think there is room for quite a bit more discussion about the reaction, and how it illustrates the split that exists between people who have never read the books and those who watch the series already familiar with many of the twists and turns of the story. 23skidoo 13:44, May 14, 2012 (UTC)
We ran into the same junk when Lord of the Rings was coming out; not just that some people hadn't read the books; most who hadn't read it at least understood that it *was* a book adaptation. But every now and again you ran into a few oblivious people who didn't comprehend that "Peter Jackson" didn't decide to make certain plot events happen which were directly lifted from the book. Plus all of the Entertainment Weekly/Red Carpet types who don't give a copper penny about Fantasy, and you could tell they were just BSing the cast and crew in interviews; there were times when those red carpet fools would actually ask the cast, "hey, can you tease the ending?" -- not just a light promo or soundbyte on their reaction to how it ends, such as "expect lots of battle scenes" or "I cried", but specifically inquiring into plot twists (as if they'd actually give them out before the movie). I was very proud when Sir Ian McKellan and Elijah Wood on separate occasions responded by staring blankly at the interviewer and then saying, "You do realize this has been a best selling novel for sixty years? The ending already exists, you could just look it up". Book fans would ask about *changes* or how they approached the role, but the sort of "so what happens at Mount Doom?" questions...yikes. --The Dragon Demands 18:58, May 14, 2012 (UTC)
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in the 'book' section, there's a typical 'fanboyz' mistake :)
Martin has repeatedly stated that Eddard wasn't an exceptional swordsman, and that actually the 'gifted warrior' of the family was his brother Brandon. so it's absolutely correct to put Eddard in the SHOW "list of the greatest fighter", but absolutely wrong to do the same with the BOOK "list of the greatest fighters" :) (that's not my thoughts, but author's words)
184.108.40.206 04:08, October 3, 2012 (UTC)XXX
- Oh crud, really? Martin said that? Because I thought the fight at the Tower of Joy with Aerys II's Kingsguard was supposed to establish he was a good swordsman. Where did Martin say this?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 17:43, October 4, 2012 (UTC)
- sorry for the delayed answer, i had a problem with internet. to be more specific:
- 1) The Tower of the Joy is not a good example, 'cause Eddard had 6 other friends with him, and the Kingsguards were only three, and despite this only Eddard and Howland Reed survived. Plus, Eddard remembers in the book that is only thanks to Howland that he is still alive (we don't know the details, maybe Howland stabbed Arthur Dayne in the back while Arthur was about to kill Eddard. etc..)
- 2) of course Eddard is a decent swordsman, because he is a lord, fit and trained. but no more than the other fit, trained lords (so except for the fat ones, or old, or maimed). For example, in the books Martin tells that lord Yohn Royce (older than Ned) was A LOT stronger than Ned with a sword, and he actually was capable to defeat, during training, both Eddard and ser Rodrick. and Yohn Royce is, of course, a big and strong man, but nowhere as good as Jaime, Oberyn and Barristan nor as fierce as Sandor or Garlan etc..
- 3) Martin stated (you can easily find the literal quote in some 'So Spake Martin' collection in various fansite, like in The Citadel) that Eddard was a competent swordsman, while''' Brandon was the 'great fighter' of the family, the best sword and the best jouster. on the other hand, of course, Eddard was the best battle commander, and probably one of the greatest strategist and tactician of Westeros :) 220.127.116.11 13:32, October 10, 2012 (UTC)XXX