Greatjon and Red Wedding in the TV continuityEdit
- That means we won't get any Hother Whoresbane or Mors Crowfood?--Gonzalo84 (talk) 18:53, March 23, 2014 (UTC)
- (I'm back) - I know. Taking GreatJon prisoner sets up the entire subplot with how House Umber reacts to Bolton rule for multiple books after this; that they would have fought the Boltons but they kept Greatjon hostage so they couldn't (or rather, half serve the Boltons unwillingly, the other half fight because they say Greatjon would gladly lay down his life rather than submit to the Boltons).
- This also reveals that Cogman seems to be the one writing the Blu-ray featurettes about the progress of the war, maps and such (I don't have the Blu-rays so I haven't seen those, just the animated featurettes, which he does write). So at least we know that writer-level people are actively paying attention to those - it wasn't delegated to some HBO marketer.
- We'll see how this goes, but frankly...as I've said before, if the actor that plays Greatjon can't appear in Season 2, that's a blow, but fine. When he then says he can't return for Season 3? Recast the character. He doesn't have major stuff to do after that (at least in the published books).--The Dragon Demands (talk) 19:20, March 23, 2014 (UTC)
While the actor was unavailable in Seasons 2 and 3....and I think that by Season 3 they should have simply recast him because Greatjon doesn't reappear after that....
....I suspect that, at the start of Season 3, they realized that looking ahead to Season 5 or so, it might be awkward to just have Brynden Tully as the only recognizable character during the Siege of Riverrun. Those chapters only feature Jaime's perspective, not the garrison inside. Well in the past, they've invented recurring minor characters for main characters to talk to, rather than have the main character just giving a long monologue to empty space (i.e. putting Ros there so Littlefinger has someone to talk to).
So around the beginning of Season 3, I suspect they may have thought "crap, we can't get the actor back for this season either. Should we recast him? Well, wait...maybe we should keep him at Riverrun, so Brynden Tully has someone to interact with on the Tully side of the siege."
This isn't the worst idea, and I realize it was actor scheduling beyond their control, but dammit, Greatjon's desperate attempt to fight off the Freys was one of the highlights of the Red Wedding (I also miss the death run of Dacey Mormont, but I understand that they hadn't introduced her at all by that point, time constraints, etc. I get that)...though Greatjon being free will impact the later Bolton storylines (the only reason the Umbers aren't fighting the Boltons tooth and nail is because Greatjon is a political hostage).--The Dragon Demands (talk) 17:13, September 15, 2014 (UTC)