Mechanics of the guest right
Did Karl really break the guest right when he murdered Craster? When I think about it, Craster was the one who really threatened to kill or harm the black brothers. I don't think Karl could even be charged or executed for his death because all in all it was self defense. HN s4mur41 (talk) 20:42, April 20, 2014 (UTC)
No. He threatened to attack the next person to call him a bastard, but after a long pause, Karl then goaded him into attacking and killed him. It wasn't self-defense, really, as Karl sought it out.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 21:25, April 20, 2014 (UTC)
Yes, Karl provoked it, but he didn't just walk up to Craster and stab him in the jaw. Tension is different from action.. Craster could've merely thrown him out, though. Then I guess the guest right doesn't apply strictly to physical harm, or am I wrong? In this case, merely threatening his guests of death (and actually jumping out to execute that threat) could be seen as a violation.. If merely provoking isn't a part of what constitutes the breaking of guest right, what should Karl do? Let himself be killed? HN s4mur41 (talk) 01:25, April 21, 2014 (UTC)
I'm following Wikipedia's guidance, which is "be bold". If you see something that looks dumb, fix it. Just try to keep whatever was valid about the original statement, if anything.
Or you can have a nice quiet discussion about it and let somebody else come and fix it two years later.