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Jon Snow statusEdit

Family tree of house stark needs editing since Jon Snow is dead.--Bus Ticket (talk) 14:52, February 6, 2016 (UTC)

Eh, I'm holding off on updating it until as soon as they give any clear statement within the Season 6 premiere episode. Just want to see they way they phrase it.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 00:42, February 9, 2016 (UTC)

House Starks Status Edit

Isn't Sansa technically the Queen in the North until her brother is rescued as she has called some of the Stark bannermen to her side and calling herself Stark is kind of claiming the title or is it Queen in the North (de facto)?  I'm lost —Preceding unsigned comment added by Breexox11 (talkcontribs)

It's a reasonable assumption, but that's what it is: an assumption. We don't entirely know if House Stark would still claim royalty, and we don't know just yet if Sansa, who seems to be the acting head of House Stark, desires for the North to be free and independent still. Is it likely? Perhaps, but like I said, it's an assumption, and I think for now it's just too speculative. I have a feeling that, even if she feels this way, the Northern war for independence won't continue because they - all of the Seven Kingdoms - are going to start needing to look after each other due to the impending onslaught of the white walkers and their army of the dead/wights. Reddyredcp (talk) 07:02, June 9, 2016 (UTC)
Jon does become King of the North. That's what's actually happening because Robb did name Jon as heir. Jon, first of his name (talk) 02:58, June 13, 2016 (UTC)


What's going on with the page? Only the infobox is being displayed, but all the content is still there when you go to edit it. ~ Lilyflower422 (talk) 23:38, June 20, 2016 (UTC)

Should be fixed now. Through some trial and error, I found that some tags weren't closed properly. Reddyredcp (talk) 23:57, June 20, 2016 (UTC)

Restauration? Edit

I wouldn't call the result of the "Battle of the bastards" a restauration! It should be changed because neither the "Kingdom in the North" was reinstalled and certainly the Lannisters in King's Landing would never accept them to rule the north again as wardens! By the way, House Glover has displayed that they won't accept the authority of the Starks anymore, and I think there are several other houses as well, not only the ones who declared for the Boltons like the Karstarks and the Umbers! --Exodianecross (talk) 23:25, June 23, 2016 (UTC)

With the Boltons now gone and Winterfell back in Stark control, the Glovers and the other houses ony have one possible liege lord, despite Robbet's bitter words. --Gonzalo84 (talk) 00:09, June 24, 2016 (UTC)
Maybe, but as long the Lannisters rule, they will never accept that Stark-rebels, and that was also Robb, rule a part of "their" realm. I also fear that Episode 10 will end with something terrible. --Exodianecross (talk) 00:50, June 24, 2016 (UTC)


Jon is the King in the North and Sansa, Lady of Winterfell, is the last known trueborn of House Stark. The title of King in the North always included being Lord of Winterfell and head of House Stark, but Jon is a Snow with Stark blood. That legally makes him the overlord of House Stark, and Sansa the lord. Maybe it's better to wait for season 7 to approach this, I just wanted to put it out there since it may be the future conflict between Sansa and Jon --Kai200995 (talk) 23:13, June 27, 2016 (UTC)

Sansa does have a right to be pissed thought Jon being King, is robbing Sansa of their birth right, Jon confirmed it with all their family gone Sansa is Lady of Winterfell Bree 00:05, June 28, 2016 (UTC)

Stark Family Tree? Edit

Now that Jon has been revealed to be the son of Lyanna, shouldn't the family tree be updated to reflect that information? I personally cannot edit it because it is locked (for good reason, if that page was vandalised it could screw up a lot of other pages) and I'm not an Admin, but someone should really edit it. Also, if there is a way to put "possible father" it would be much appreciated if that was done.Ainzeelee (talk) 15:47, June 28, 2016 (UTC)Ainzeelee

Lord of the House Edit

I saw too many people trying to change the Lordship status of the House from Jon to Sansa, so lets discuss this:

In my opinion Jon is the Lord of the House Stark, obviously, because of the folowing... Lyanna Mormont  claimed: "We know no king but the King in the North, whose name is STARK. ",claim that was followed by all the lords of the North,despite his bastardy, this claim legitimazes Jon Snow not only as a King in the North but as a STARK too, once King in the North and Stark, this makes him have the titles of Lord of Winterfell, King of the Trident and Lord of the House Stark, titles earned by inherence, Sansa keeps the title of Lady of Winterfell since the lordship of the Town is shared with Jon by agreement, making them both Lord(Honorific) and Lady(Righfully) of Winterfell. Lrdzz (talk) 00:51, June 29, 2016 (UTC)lrdzz

Jon legally, rightfully, or by inheritance do NOT have any claim on Winterfell or House Stark even AFTER he was proclaimed King in the North. Jon is not legally or rightfully a Stark. You yourself said "in my opinion." In the show Sansa is still the Lady of Winterfell, according to HBO's GOT Viewer's Guide, because she is a Stark. Jon is a Bastard, which strips him of all entitlements to the Stark name and titles even after he became King in the North. He's more of an unofficial lord of House Stark, Sansa is the official Lady/Lord. He's not King of the Trident, because the lords of the Riverlands nor Jon himself claimed to be so. "King in the North" is not interchangeable with Stark, especially if the claimant's name isn't Stark. He's House Stark's King but he's not their lord, he doesn't have the Stark name, that's why Lyanna Mormont specifically acknowledged his bastard status. If Gendry was King of the seven kingdoms he cant legally or rightfully claim "I'm lord of the Stormlands too" if Shireen Baratheon is present and is trueborn; He'll be her King, but not the lord of her house. Jon can be King of the North without being the Lord of Winterfell, House Stark, or the Stark name, and he is.--Kai200995 (talk) 02:02, June 29, 2016 (UTC)

 The last king of the North(Robb) had the title of king of the Trident when he died, so the sucessor keeps the same titles, even if the title is being constested with another kingdom or doesnt exist anymore, the title remains until the next king decides to drop it.(In theory any sucessor of the throne of the North could use this argument too usurp Trident Throne)
Being bastard is irrelevant after being legitimizated, and yes he was legitimizated has a Stark,otherwise he could never be claimed King of The North by the other lords of the North, since they all have oath only to the Starks,they could never claim no one else without breaking that oath, so for them to claim Jon Snow and not break their oath with the house Stark, Jon must be officialy recognized as a Stark..
and once he is Stark plus King in The North,that makes him to have the strongest claim to the Lordship of the house,even upon the former heirs.
 By the way, thats your opinion too, since GRRM didnt clarified this matter.Lrdzz (talk) 03:02, June 29, 2016 (UTC)Lrdzz
I'm not basing my point on my opinion. A bastard can't claim a House, unless the trueborn heirs are all dead. Jon is named "The White Wolf" because that is the sigil of a bastard of House Stark. Officially, Sansa is the head of House Stark, because she carries the name. Rightfully, Bran is the head of House Stark and Lord of Winterfell. Robb was King of the Trident, because he was a Tully, and House Tully with the Riverlords proclaimed him King. Jon can't inherit that title. He can't inherit the name Stark, unless he chooses to legitimize himself. Jon was not legitimized, which is what you're basing your argument on. However, I will admit he's an unofficial lord of House Stark because he's effectively making decisions of the house with Sansa. He's a "de facto" lord of the House, if anything.--Kai200995 (talk) 11:29, June 29, 2016 (UTC)
Jon was not legitimised so he can't be the head of House Stark. The Lords were declaring him King in the North despite his bastard status. King in the North and Lord of Winterfell/House Stark do not need to go hand in hand, and not only do the Lords still refer to him as Jon Snow, all official guides (e.g. the HBO viewer guides) state his name as Jon Snow, not Jon Stark. Technically, Jon can legitimise himself as a Stark, but he has not done so (and I honestly don't think he would, but my personal opinion is irrelevant), so unless he does, he is not the "official" head of House Stark, Sansa is. (Tyjet92 (talk) 16:39, June 29, 2016 (UTC))

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