The character in his lines refers to the "Red God", obviously referring to death. Here the link to the Red God links to the Lord of Light. According to the books, the Faceless Men worship a death-deity, not identified with the Lord of Light. Even though the Red God can refer to both, I think it must be fixed. MoffRebusMy Talk 12:30, June 12, 2013 (UTC)
- I don't think it's obvious. Here's a pretty good discussion:
- As I understood it, Jaqen is referring to the Many-faced God of Death. If "Red God" means "Lord of Light", then he is simply referring to the Lord of Light as an aspect of the Many-Faced God of Death -- the Many-face God of Death is a syncretic religion, so this works out. I still think it was a mistake to call him "red god" in the TV show at all, as it would only confuse the audience.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 02:30, June 14, 2013 (UTC)
- R'Hllor is part of a dualistic religion with darkness and death being the Great Other. Jaqen, being an assassin and bringer of death, he serves the Great Other. Arya has been influenced by this dualism, and the words of Jaqen and Syrio, pronounces that she sees death as a greater deity than the Brotherhoods' God of Light. Jaqen can say he serves the Red God and, understanding that it is a dualistic religion and that he can not say the name of the Great Other, mean he serves the Other opponent of Lord of Light. That makes sense as syncretic viewpoint also as the Great Other is the death aspect of the Many-Faced God from R'hllor religion.
- Or the script writers screwed up like they did by putting French sleeves in... Alatari (talk) 01:19, April 10, 2014 (UTC)
R'hllor is the only "true" god in their dualistic belief system. He has dominion over life death. We really need to ask a writer about this to confirm it given that Jaqen is the only official worshiper of the Many-Faced God of Death cult to appear on the show. And check the subtitles, he said fringed sleeves.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 03:42, April 10, 2014 (UTC)
- The episode and the books are likely going to be in disagreement on the Jaqen's' true god' deity issue. We'll see what they do. It seems R'hllor is the one true god in the same way YHWH is the one true god but Satan is powerful enough to deceive and corrupt YHWH's work. Alatari (talk) 05:37, April 10, 2014 (UTC)
Season 4 Edit
According to that what I've watched in the last episode and what was mentioned through the whole season, Arya is not on the search for Jaqen, she wants to find his order to become a member! --Exodianecross (talk) 02:18, March 5, 2015 (UTC)
Kindly Man Edit
I thought it best to bring this up now, ahead of tonights episode, becasue I know some confusion will be generated by this issue. Judging by conversations in episode three, "High Sparrow", it was my personal interpretation that the "Kindly Man" is indeed the same Faceless Man that Arya meets in Season 2. Without going into specific spoilers/details from the leaked episodes, does anyone else have any thoughts about this... or a different interpretation? My aim here is to avoid a needless edit war after the episode airs.--The White Winged Fury 14:44, April 19, 2015 (UTC)
It's certainly ambiguous. If it's decided it's a new character, I hope the name "Kindly man" is not chosen, because that monicker is never spoken, and this man (especially before turning into Jaqen) is not "kind" at all. But honestly, I think it just should be part of Jaqen's page. He has Jaqen's face and his memories, that much is obvious, so for all practical purposes, he is the same "Jaqen" that Arya met in season two. It may even be actually the same Faceless Man, though that's not confirmed... and I very much suspect, considering how things are going in that storyline, that we never will know for sure. —ArticXiongmao (talk) 14:48, April 19, 2015 (UTC)
Jaqen can't teleport. In the novels it is more clear that he couldn't have had time to return to Braavos given his other apparent assignment in Westeros.
...the plan is to make a separate article on "The Kindly Man", and to make a Season 5 section on this page redirecting readers to the Kindly Man page.
Though given that his book subplot has been cut...maybe the TV continuity is just different, and he's meant to be the same person? A question for the writers.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 15:48, April 19, 2015 (UTC)
- Well, exactly. That's why I felt this discussion was needed now. I hope the writers address this, but like I said I definitely got the impression that they are the same person; mainly from the third episode.--The White Winged Fury 16:02, April 19, 2015 (UTC)
- HBO viewers guide lists him as Jaqen, so we should update this page accordingly. Kitfistofan93 (talk) 06:55, April 20, 2015 (UTC)
I said many times last week he was going to be in season 5 and many times my post was deleted and unlistened to. There you go. I was right.220.127.116.11 16:22, April 20, 2015 (UTC)Leroy
- We've known for months that he was returning, because the actor's agency confirmed it. The information wasn't added earlier because the episode hadn't aired.--Ser Patrek (talk) 16:26, April 20, 2015 (UTC)
The same Faceless Man?Edit
- Ah yes. He did say there is no "Jaqen H'ghar", or something like that, didn't he? QueenBuffy
Until told that the TV continuity is simply different, I see no reason to assume he's the same character either. A question for the scriptwriters.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 00:31, April 21, 2015 (UTC)
- I vote for splitting then. One article for Jaqen H'ghar and the other for "Noone".--Gonzalo84 (talk) 01:23, April 21, 2015 (UTC)