Joffrey is the one currently wearing the crown, so although his position is disputed, we should refer to him as King for the time being. Both Renly Baratheon and Stannis Baratheon want to be King, but it's too soon to refer to them as kins already. - regards, KS - KarinS 11:58, June 21, 2011 (UTC)
Rename article Edit
The term "King on the Iron Throne" is a nickname for Joffrey used in the books and never in-universe. Also, it is not the formal title of the King. The article should be renamed "King of Westeros" and each title the King holds should merit its own article, just like there's an article for "Lord of Winterfell" and "Warden of the North" and "Lord Paramount of the North".--Gonzalo84 19:42, June 10, 2012 (UTC)
- He's not "King of Westeros" they never claimed the whole continent (in theory), and for many years Dorne was independent. Nor is he "King of the Seven Kingdoms". The in-universe title is "King of the Andals and the First Men (and the Rhoynar)". This reflects common medieval practice. The concept of "England" or "France", did not exist on an abstract level; the modern concept of a "nation-state" hadn't been developed yet. You had the "King of the English", "King of the Franks", etc. It was based on peoples, not abstract concepts of "the State". Yes it should not have an article.--The Dragon Demands 01:38, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
- Indeed. Though Stannis lays claim to "the Iron Throne of Westeros", not to the "Kingship of the Andals and the First Men" or "Lordship of the Seven Kingdoms". In any case the article should be split.--Gonzalo84 02:57, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
- The term 'King on the Iron Throne' is used in official HBO documents, including the Viewer's Guide, which is a viable source for the wiki. The term 'King of Westeros' is inaccurate as the Seven Kingdoms do not cover all of Westers (though it's near enough for common usage, as Stannis did). 'King of the Seven Kingdoms' is never used in either book or series, although it is descriptively accurate. The correct term should therefore be 'King on the Iron Throne' or 'King of the Andals and the First Men' (noting again that the Rhoynar and their part of the title have not been mentioned in the series, and should not be included).--Werthead 18:34, June 17, 2012 (UTC)
- So far the viewers guide has referred just to Joffrey as the King on the Iron Throne... not Robert or the prior kings. "King on the Iron Throne", "King in the Narrow Sea", "Queen Across the Sea" are just aliases, not titles. I was also uncomfortable with "King of Westeros" so I'll move it to "King of the Andals and the First Men".--Gonzalo84 01:22, June 18, 2012 (UTC)
- Thank you, I agree.--The Dragon Demands 15:20, June 18, 2012 (UTC)
I suspect that, in later seasons, they may retroactively establish "and the Rhoynar" when they introduce characters from Dorne. I.e. an episode will air in which they simply state "King of the Andals and the First Men and the Rhoynar". Then again, they weren't kings of the Rhoynar as well until about a hundred years ago so...yeah...--The Dragon Demands 15:22, June 18, 2012 (UTC)
- I think the show will explain that the King of Westeros is not "King of the Rhoynar" because the Dornishmen were never conquered and remain ruled by their Prince and Dornish law.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 04:04, June 18, 2013 (UTC)
Missing Kings Edit
WARNING: there are minor book spoilers in this topic regarding the line of the Targaryen monarchs. If it's really important for you to know who was the King on the Iron Throne 150 years prior to Game of Thrones, then do not read this.
First of all, we all know that Jaehaerys II did not make it into the show. I understand it, although I think it takes away from Aegon V's character, who is one of my favorite kings in the whole series. However, more kings other than Mad Aerys' father are missing: King Aenys (37-42), the successor of Aegon the Conqueror; King Jaehaerys I the Conciliator (48-103), possibly the most important king of House Targaryen, successor of Maegor; Jaehaerys' son, King Viserys I (103-129), who has most certainly made it into the adaptation; and King Daeron I the Young Dragon, vanquisher of Dorne and who will most likely be introduced later on, successor of Aegon III.
I do not think adding them to this page would do anyone harm - indeed it will prevent history enthusiasts from going into the book wiki and accidentally spoiling themselves (such as I nearly did).
- We can only make articles on kings who were at least mentioned in the TV series. As of the end of Season 3, the only missing kings are: Aenys I, Viserys I, Daeron I, and Jaehaerys II - though they said they intentionally cut Jaehaerys II. Aenys was a weakling who would only be mentioned in the context of Maegor the Cruel, but hopefully a future "complete guide to Westeros" devoted to Maegor will address that. Meanwhile, I'm confident that Daeron I will be mentioned when Dorne gets introduced. Viserys I might be mentioned if they ever explain what the Dance of Dragons was.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 19:13, June 3, 2013 (UTC)