Varys' comments on "Lord Redwyne"
We shouldn't include Varys' reference to a "Lord Redwyne" in the main body of this article; we can't confirm which "Lord Redwyne" he meant, and its kind of a big character change to assign to Paxter. I should have started a Discussion page on this issue a while ago, sorry about the repeated reverts.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 17:08, December 5, 2012 (UTC)
- That's sort of the crux of the problem: while (as Osha pointed out) there is only one "Lord" from a strict technical standpoint...people tend to loosely address any member of a noble House as "lord" in everyday conversation. Case in point, Varys also refers to Tyrion as "Lord Tyrion" even though his father is still alive and is the actual Lord of Casterly Rock. "Lord" is loosely used when addressing nobles, so actually, there may indeed be more than one "Lord Redwyne", even though officially, Paxter is "the Lord Redwyne".--The Dragon Demands (talk) 12:31, December 6, 2012 (UTC)
- If I understood correctly, it's a common courtesy to use lord or lady when addressing a member of a noble house. Like lady Catelyn or lord Tyrion, etc. When a member is the head of a house he or she is addressed as Lord or Lady House. Like Ned was Lord Stark and Lysa is Lady Arryn. So I think Varys was referring to Paxter Redwyne. --Martell (talk) 14:30, December 6, 2012 (UTC)
- Martell that makes no sense. You just said "it's a common courtesy to use when addressing a member of a noble house" citing that even Tyrion (NOT the head of his House) is addressed as "Lord". The very next sentence, you nonetheless say that this must mean "Lord Redwyne" refers to THE "Lord" Redwyne, Paxter Redwyne. Which is it?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:22, December 6, 2012 (UTC)
- What I mean is that Lord House, example Lord Stark, is the head of a house, but any member of a noble house is still called lord/lady before their first name. Meaning that Ned Stark was not called Lord Eddard but Lord Stark since he was the head of the house and Tyrion is called Lord Tyrion, not Lord Lannister, since he's not the head of the house. Petyr Baelish, who's the head of a very minor house, is called Lord Bealish, not Lord Petyr.
- That's how I understood it. I could be wrong but I think it makes sense. Please excuse me if my english is hard to understand, I've only spoken it for a few years. --Martell (talk) 19:15, December 6, 2012 (UTC)