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Littlefinger and Eddard outside the brothelEdit

In the article, it says the following, "Littlefinger fetches Eddard to meet his wife, but Eddard suspects a trick and pushes Littlefinger up against a wall outside the brothel wanting to know what his game is. Catelyn then appears and Eddard is pacified." However, I believe that Eddard did not so much suspect a trick as believe that Littlefinger was playing a joke by suggesting that Catelyn is a whore in his brothel. With this interpretation, Eddard's words, "You're a funny man, eh? A very funny man!" make much more sense.

"Broken" articleEdit

While re-reading the article, I found that the sections References and In the Books had vanished. Someone must have deleted them by mistake when they added new material. Maybe you should reset the page to an earlier version and add the new contents again.

blOOdyLee (talk) 16:35, June 30, 2013 (UTC)

Please reopenEdit

I would like to work on the quotes. --Martell (talk) 14:43, December 6, 2013 (UTC)

Done.--The-Boy 14:53, December 6, 2013 (UTC)

Update on family treesEdit

Just a noncontroversial update of adding Littlefinger to the family trees of Houses Tully and Arryn. TDD mentioned he presently very occupied with schoolwork so maybe another admin can help me out by discussing the update although maybe TDD will have a moment to look over this?

I really hoping to comply with the rules on discussing family tree updates, but I really am just doing a good faith mentioning of the code since it can be rather tedious and time-consuming while also being only a quick update.

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{{familytree/start|style=font-size:85%;line-height:100%;}}{{familytree| | | | | | |JASPE|y|LADYA| | | | | JASPE={{familytree/Jasper Arryn}} | LADYA={{familytree/Lady Arryn}}}}{{familytree| |,|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|^|-|-|-|v|-|-|-|.| | }}{{familytree|JONAR|y|LYSAA|-|LITTL| |ALYSA| |RONNE| JONAR={{familytree/Jon Arryn}} | LYSAA={{familytree/Lysa Arryn}} | LITTL={{familytree/Littlefinger}} | ALYSA={{familytree/Alys Arryn}} | RONNE={{familytree/Ronnel Arryn}}}}{{familytree| | | |!| | | | | | | | | | | | }}{{familytree| | |ROBIN| | | | | | | | | | | ROBIN={{familytree/Robin Arryn}}}} {{familytree/end}}<noinclude>[[Category:Family tree templates|House Arryn family tree]]</noinclude> Kind of funny, but the Category right now has Greyjoy instead of Arryn.Ardilaun (talk) 18:58, May 5, 2014 (UTC)

Season 4 Edit

The Season 4 section needs some clean-up. I'm not sure exactly how much details is desired, but this is just over the top. -- SaganamiFan (talk) 10:18, June 16, 2014 (UTC)

Lord Paramount of the Riverlands... or not. Edit

I am aware this has been discussed and described as "unclear", but nevertheless the administrators voted and decided that for now it's a good idea to establish the Freys as the Lords of the land. However, the confusion remains in several articles (and the "House Baelish" box, too); and honestly I don't see how any of it is unclear. Let's review the evidence. In "Valar Morghulis", Petyr is given Harrenhal and its lands; no mention at all is made of the seat of the Riverlands being changed to Harrenhal. In "Oathkeeper", when Sansa is recounting all the things the Lannisters have done for him, she brings up "wealth and power", and specifically that they made him "the Lord of Harrenhal." That's the second opportunity for the change of seat to be mentioned, but it wasn't. Previously, in "Mysha", Walder Frey was made Lord of Riverrun; again, the seat of the Riverlands is not said to have shifted away from the traditional castle. This is reinforced by Brienne in "Mockingbird". However, the most compelling evidence may come from a farmer in "Breaker of Chains" who strongly implies the Freys rule the Riverlands. In fact, that's the only context in which his words make sense:

"The Red Wedding they're calling it. Walder Frey committed sacrilege that day. He shared bread and salt with the Starks. He offered them guest right. [...] The gods will have their vengeance. Frey will burn in the seventh hell for what he did. Things were different when Hoster Tully ruled the Riverlands."

This means in the show the Freys rule the Riverlands now; this is not unclear at all. The only reason for confusion is that it's different in the books, but it's been made pretty clear in the show. No, the show has not focused on it (and with Jaime in Dorne, maybe it won't for a while), but the available evidence tells us a particular story, and it has nothing to do with Petyr Baelish. Put simply, the Freys weren't snubbed as they were in the books, and they now rule the Riverlands. What's more important, the administrators already ruled this and decided that, at least for now, Walder Frey should be considered the Lord Paramount. So, why haven't some of the relevant articles been changed since then? I'll do what I can. --ArticXiongmao (talk) 21:23, October 23, 2014 (UTC)

They should have been changed. We were busy with a lot of stuff/internal discussions for a while so that update wasn't universally applied, though it should have been.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 23:45, October 24, 2014 (UTC)

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