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Protection Edit

Would it be possible to unprotect this article, so that I can make some alterations? The Bastard of Bolton (talk) 16:48, December 30, 2012 (UTC)

What kind of "alterations"? Speculations about casting and Iwan Rheon and stuff like that are the very reason the article was locked down. Info about the books also couunt as spoilers.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 18:21, December 30, 2012 (UTC)
Just some minor fixes. The format of this article is somewhat different from most others. I was also going to add a quote and tweak the categories.--The Bastard of Bolton (talk) 18:26, December 30, 2012 (UTC)
Well it's a fairly short page, so just post a copy of what you want to add here, so an admin can proofread what exactly you want to change, then copy-paste it into the article. --The Dragon Demands (talk) 03:10, December 31, 2012 (UTC)
Nothing major. I noticed that the article is missing the "Biography" header present on other character articles. I was also going to suggest adding the very same quote now in place, so someone obviously read my mind. And I'm a little bit confused about the way categories are employed on this wiki. Particularly regarding characters. Ramsay, for example is listed as a season 2 character, despite the fact that he never appears. He's also listed as a mentioned character, presumably because he doesn't appear. At first I thought this was just a mistake with this one article, but it seems to be the case in many instances, and I was hoping someone could clarify this for me. Surely all characters are mentioned in passing at some point, but they're not "mentioned characters" if they appear in the flesh. Conversely, if a character is only mentioned they cannot be considered a "season 2 character". The article also states that Ramsay is known as the Bastard of Bolton, despite the fact that he's never referred to as such.--The Bastard of Bolton (talk) 11:58, January 2, 2013 (UTC)
I've also been curious about this. Surely the season 1, 2 etc categories should be reserved for characters who only appear in a certain season? Major or recurring characters have their own category already. The Knight of the FlowersRainbowguard 12:59, January 2, 2013 (UTC)
Should the article not also have the conjecture tag? As they may choose to rename him for the show, however unlikely that may be.--The Bastard of Bolton (talk) 13:33, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

With only a week to go until the season premier it should be safe to un-protect this article.--250px40px 12:21, March 24, 2013 (UTC)

Actually, A - the closer we get to the premiere, the more vandals will be jumping on the wiki, B - they might not reveal Ramsay in the premiere. Is there something you wanted to add? I'd unlock it briefly to let you work on it, then after you announce you're done, I'll re-lock it.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 14:44, March 24, 2013 (UTC)
True enough. And yes please, if you don't mind. I just want to make the format corrections mentioned above.--250px40px 14:50, March 24, 2013 (UTC)
Okay, announce on here when you're finished so I can lock it up again.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 15:01, March 24, 2013 (UTC)
All done. Thank you.--250px40px 15:43, March 24, 2013 (UTC)

Now that Iwan Rheon's part was Ramsay the whole time has been mention within Mhysa, can't it be unprotected?

Conjecture Edit

The conjecture tag can be removed from this article now. See this image of the note Robb recieves.--250px40px 06:02, April 8, 2013 (UTC)

Theon's torturer true identity for Dummies Edit

I'm just speechless. I know your no spoilers policy in unproven articles, but are you stupid? Theon tied to a CROSS, being FLAYED alive, and you all just have eaten the "Boy's" trollbait up to the fishing rod. Just make that Roose's quote a source and post the Boy's picture here and voilá, you've got the bastard. His trolling is not to be taken seriously, but he agreed that he's holding him at some kind of FORT. A very Dread one. Just ROFL. Nadare (talk) 22:24, June 9, 2013 (UTC)

Most of us in the know think it was stupid to keep the Boltons in the background for so long to make it a "surprise" - even after last episode, some people I know in real life didn't even know who Roose Bolton was and were openly surprised he was around since episode 4 of season 2. Yikes. Trying to make a mystery/cliffhanger out of what wasn't really one in the books...look it was vague in the books, but they could have said "the ironborn must have done it" in the season 2 finale, instead of *in passing* during episode 3 of season 3. Yikes. Well, at least this charade will be over soon.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 00:15, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
Also, the story we do know is that the Ironment gave him up to Roose's bastard. Whether the torturer was him or not might have been a mystery, but not the fact that he was a Bolton. (Of either low or high birth) Although the series' Theon did seem to forget that he was given to the Boltons for some reason, and doesn't make that guess when Ramsay asks him. 20:06, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
I'm glad that your thinking isn't obscured by the no-spoiler policy. Nadare (talk) 04:53, June 11, 2013 (UTC)
Theon doesn't "forget" he had been given up to the Boltons... he never knew because he wasn't aware of the offer made by Ramsay to the ironborn.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 05:13, June 11, 2013 (UTC)

The DogsEdit

Oh god...the dogs are going to be included in the TV show: [1]. Don't get too attached to Violet and Myranda...and Violet shouldn't get too attached to her skin!--The Dragon Demands (talk) 03:45, September 11, 2013 (UTC)

Is there a conflict here?  I had assumed the hunted girl was Violet, and that is described in the narrative of the Ramsay Snow page, but in the quotes, it refers to her as Tansy.

Look closely: the girl being killed isn't Violet. The credits also give different names. Rumor was that they were going to kill Violet, but then the actress was unavailable to return. --The Dragon Demands (talk) 19:50, March 22, 2015 (UTC)

Personality Edit

Is an in-depth analysis of Joffrey's personality versus Ramsay's really relevant? It's quite POV, and mostly unsubstantiated. I could write a paragraph pointing out how Ramsay is similar to Gregor Clegane, but it wouldn't add anything to the article.--"How many eyes does Lord Bloodraven have?" 10:43, March 15, 2015 (UTC)

There were only supposed to be a handful of "Personality" sections for a few major characters; then people started copying them; at which point we had to at least fix them up to better levels. I do try to use them sparingly.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 17:57, March 15, 2015 (UTC)

I'm not saying the section shouldn't be here, just the comparisons with Joffrey, as it's not relevant and entirely POV. The wording is quite unencyclopedic... "Joffrey is a bit foppish" just sounds silly. "How many eyes does Lord Bloodraven have?" 18:12, March 15, 2015 (UTC)
To be honest I dislike the direct comparisons to Joffrey as well. Ramsay isn't "the replacement Joffrey" - he shows up in book TWO. I'll rework it.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:38, March 15, 2015 (UTC)
Much better.--"How many eyes does Lord Bloodraven have?" 12:14, March 21, 2015 (UTC)

Ramsay Snow, better known as "The Bastard of Bolton", is Lord Roose Bolton's bastard son and the product of rape: years ago Roose wanted to have sex with the pretty new wife of a poor miller on his lands, so he had the miller hanged and raped his wife. Ramsay was born shortly afterwards, and his mother brought him to the Dreadfort for Roose to acknowledge as his son. Roose very nearly killed both Ramsay and his mother, but relented upon realizing that the child was indeed his. Ramsay subsequently spent his years raised by his mother until she died, at which point Ramsay moved to the Dreadfort with his father. 

There are 2 points that differ from what was said in the show. Roose said he had sex with the Miller's wife because they married without his consent. When the woman came back, he nearly had her whipped, but he never said that he was going to kill her. 08:39, May 23, 2015 (UTC)Mike

Picture (Infobox) Edit

Hi there!

Just want to discuss this difference here. I know the Wikia wants the actual and best standart of pictures so we don't use pictures from Season 3 or 4 anymore, but that picture from Season 5 had a preety good quality. As long as Season 6 isn't out yet we should keep that one, because the one screenshot from the HBOs Trailer (Ramsay-S6.png) is verry small and hasn't a really good quality and Ramsay doesn't really have a big change in his physical appearance. {{SUBST:User:Cyanide3/Sig}} 21:17, December 9, 2015 (UTC)

I thought the trailer pic from Season 6 had too much of the "next year on HBO" text over it to use, but whatever you guys want.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 00:31, December 12, 2015 (UTC)
It's good to keep the pictures actual like you did on Cerseis page because with her short hair she has a different apperance as she had with that long hair. It gives her a different personality in your mind when you see her in the first place (same with Theon!), but for Ramsay he maybe change personally (or not) but his style didn't change so I thought we just wait for Season 6 and when we get HD pics we can change the picture in the infobox. {{SUBST:User:Cyanide3/Sig}} 22:59, December 16, 2015 (UTC)

Please fix or unblock the pageEdit

I mean the passage at the "In the books" section, that starts "In the Although Ramsay is noted as being a fierce fighter" - which is totally incorrect. Roose never said anything like that in the books. He chided Ramsay (chap. 32) in general, and never said anything about the ironborn he flayed or about the long-range applications of his deeds.

Roose also never said anything like "Ramsay has deluded himself into believing that massacring unarmed prisoners (such as at Winterfell and Moat Cailin) makes him a skilled battlefield commander, when in fact he has never won a real battle" -  what he said was "I have seen my bastard fight. He is not entirely to blame. Reek was his tutor, the first Reek, and Reek was never trained at arms. Ramsay is ferocious, I will grant you, but he swings that sword like a butcher hacking meat."

Please fix that passage or unblock the page. 06:43, March 21, 2016 (UTC)

Fierce and ferocious are synonyms... Roose says almost the exact same thing as the text already states. Xanderen (talk) 07:09, March 21, 2016 (UTC)
It is not about semantics and synonys. How can you think the sentences are the same? I don't see any resemblance between "According to Roose, Ramsay has deluded himself into believing that massacring unarmed prisoners (such as at Winterfell and Moat Cailin) makes him a skilled battlefield commander, when in fact he has never won a real battle" and "I have seen my bastard fight. He is not entirely to blame. Reek was his tutor, the first Reek, and Reek was never trained at arms. Ramsay is ferocious, I will grant you, but he swings that sword like a butcher hacking meat." 
Morever, how can you say that all that stuff about "He also receives a long rebuke from his father for flaying alive unarmed men who surrendered Moat Cailin after Ramsay promised them safe passage home. Roose points out that Ramsay will never be trusted again, and the enemies of the Boltons will now fight to the death rather than surrender to them" is in the book? It is not. Read the fifth book and see for yourself if Roose has ever said anything even remotely similar in chpater 32 (Reek III) or any other place. He did not.

Yeah the "rebuke" thing was a mistake, I deleted it from that episode page entirely; unlocking this as well.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 05:01, March 26, 2016 (UTC)

What episode does Ramsay ? Edit

What episode does Ramsay chase after the Ironborn after saying How fast can you run? Please helpJustaNobody (talk) 13:39, April 10, 2016 (UTC)

Season four, episode six - "The Laws of Gods and Men". - Xanderen signature 13:45, April 10, 2016 (UTC)
Thank you kindly.JustaNobody (talk) 13:49, April 10, 2016 (UTC)

Bastardy Edit

I don't think the show will go into this, but isn't Ramsay basically a bastard again? He was legitimized by King Tommen's power and by revolting against the crown, Roose effectively doesn't recognize King Tommen's power anymore. KarstenO (talk) 01:55, May 3, 2016 (UTC)

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