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De facto vs De jureEdit
While the Lannisters have promised Riverrun to the Freys, de jure...de facto, it remains in the hands of the Tully garrison led by Brynden Tully. How should we address its flag affiliation? Hopefully this will become more clear when they explain the state of affairs in the Season 4 premiere.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 16:47, April 2, 2014 (UTC)
- Personally, I think it should remain purely Frey, the legal lords of Riverrun, until such time as the show addresses this. We don't yet know how the siege will play out, or indeed, if it will be included at all.-- 16:57, April 2, 2014 (UTC)
- We know from filming reports that Jaime will go with Bronn to Dorne in Season 5, instead of to the Riverlands. That could leave some space for him to go directly to Riverrun in the end, except for the fact that the show already addressed this situation in Season 4. It was subtle, but it was there. In "Mockingbird", when Brienne is considering where the Brotherhood might take Arya, she says that “Walder Frey is the new Lord of Riverrun.” Granted, out of context that could have merely meant that Walder is the new Lord de jure yet doesn’t have the castle; but in the proper context (i.e. where Arya could be sold off to a Stark ally), that line of reasoning would make no sense whatsoever. It can only mean Arya wouldn’t be taken to Riverrun because Walder holds it. So, no Riverrun siege is even possible in the show, and the Freys actuallly do hold the castle. —ArticXiongmao (talk) 14:31, October 10, 2014 (UTC)