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Although Sansa's married name is Lannister now, shouldn't the page still be named Sansa Stark? It's what the audience knows her as. Or am I wrong? What's the policy on this? E.g.: Cersei Lannister's page isn't called Cersei Baratheon.
Lionheartedcat (talk) 18:19, May 26, 2013 (UTC)

While it does seem odd seeing her called that, they are married, so it would be "Sansa Lannister nee' Stark". QueenBuffy35 Crown New Red 20:49, May 26, 2013 (UTC)
Not what I meant. I mean the page should be called Sansa Stark. It does on the ASOIAF wiki, although I don't think they're affiliated with this wiki, I'm only using this as an example. Why should Sansa's page be named after her married name, when e.g. Cersei's isn't?
Lionheartedcat (talk) 21:05, May 26, 2013 (UTC)
True, but then Catelyn, Lysa and Talisa's pages are all named after their married names. If anything Cersei's should be changed too...although 'Cersei Baratheon' does sound strange.

How bout' we take a poll and see what others think? That might be the best bet:

DO YOU THINK SANSA'S PAGE SHOULD BE TITLED:
 
54
 
27
 

The poll was created at 21:08 on May 26, 2013, and so far 81 people voted.

Comment: Under that reasoning, Margaery should be Margaery Baratheon and Cersei should be Cersei Baratheon. Keep it as it is.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 15:04, May 27, 2013 (UTC)

We should keep to how the show itself credits the characters.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 15:07, May 27, 2013 (UTC)
Cersei and Margaery are widowed, Sansa is not.

TargaryenBlood Talk Contribs 15:40, May 27, 2013 (UTC)

So is Catelyn Tully but she's still named Catelyn Stark. Lionheartedcat (talk) 15:42, May 27, 2013 (UTC)

Sansa's article and family tree will not be renamedEdit

I asked Werthead a similar question a while ago: with the most powerful noble families, women tend to use their maiden name if their family is more powerful than their husband's. For example, "Genna Lannister" married into House Frey, trash who are lower than the Lannisters, so she retains the name "Genna Lannister". Similarly, Cersei rarely if ever gets referred to as "Cersei Baratheon", as House Lannister is considered more prestigious (despite the fact that she married into the royal line, her father was basically bankrolling her husband's new regime). Margaery Tyrell continues to be known as "Margaery Tyrell" more than "Margaery Baratheon" after her marriage to Renly, as they want to stress that she's "Margaery of House Tyrell". Eleanor of Aquitaine didn't suddenly turn into Eleanor of England. Catelyn is commonly known as Catelyn Stark, though at times Catelyn Tully gets thrown around, but this is because the Starks are a more prestigious family than the Tullys (the Starks were kings of an entire region once, the Tullys were elevated by the Targaryens).

Book usage, at any rate, continues to call her "Sansa Stark", and we've seen examples of that with other women whose original Houses are so famous that they continue to be referred to by it, again as Cersei is "of House Lannister".

That being said, if the TV show at any point refers to Sansa as "Sansa Lannister" or "Sansa of House Lannister", that would be the condition for considering a name change. Sansa herself of course doesn't consider herself a Lannister, but I mean if...for example, if Cersei stresses introducing Sansa to Olenna at a social gathering as "Sansa Lannister", in dialogue on the TV show, then we might consider changing it.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 20:00, June 9, 2013 (UTC)


I know the books and the show are separate entities, but if this helps its right from the author's mouth. The show customs could be different, but in the books Westeros women aren't required to take their husband's last names. They can use the last names, as in the books where Catelyn is known as Stark formally while self-identifying as a Tully, or they can just go by their original house name, such as Cersei who is never known as a Baratheon. The SSM I linked confirms its not required, and that women don't do it if their family is higher born than their husbands. Stark and Lannister are about equal, at least in the book canon, so there's no reason for Sansa to go by Lannister. She's not required to and she doesn't want to. Hope this helps.

DennisStaples (talk) 04:40, October 18, 2013 (UTC)DennisStaples

In the new episode, when Brienne talks to Jaime, Jaime recalls Sansa as Sansa Lannister. Should we change? --Gladiatus (talk) 04:52, April 8, 2014 (UTC)


Hey, why in Sansa's allegiance, it's House Lannister, by forced allegiance. Almost every marriage in Westeros is forced, except in Dorne. Gladiatus (talk) 15:28, March 21, 2014 (UTC)

Arranged marriage is not the same as 'forced'. Remember how Sansa was delighted at her arranged betrothal to Joffrey before she discovered how much of a monster he is?--Gonzalo84 (talk) 16:41, March 21, 2014 (UTC)
Forced also in the more generalized sense that her family didn't even remotely support it, while other "arranged marriages" can be forced on people (i.e. Lysa was forced to marry Jon Arryn, a man old enough to be her father). It's not a simple matter of "all marriages are forced" - there's a line between "arranged" and "we basically kidnapped the heiress of a rival house and are holding her against her will and against the explicit will of the head of her family."--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:54, March 22, 2014 (UTC)
Just saw the page was changed to Sansa Lannister. I still advocate to keeping it as Stark. I assume the reason for the change was Jaime calling her Lannister, but I don't think that's enough to make it "the rule," especially seeing as his sister was not Cersei Baratheon. The conversation he had was more mocking Brienne than being truth. Also, I don't know the full rules of spoilers on here but I am assuming the moderators have read the books or at least know the plot development and know where Sansa's story is going. With that in mind, it should still be Stark. DennisStaples (talk) 17:12, April 7, 2014 (UTC)

Infobox heraldryEdit

I think we should keep both of Sansa's infobox heraldry icons as "House Stark" - yes, even AWOIAF keeps the right one as House Lannister, but it isn't really accurate anymore.

She isn't "within Lannister control" or affiliated with them, her marriage was unconsummated (very important) and BOTH she and her erstwhile husband were forced into it, so I don't think it should really count anymore. Or at least, that it would be needlessly confusing to list her under it in terms of faction alignment (if we had a good image of Baelish heraldry, we might use that).--The Dragon Demands (talk) 01:37, June 15, 2014 (UTC)

Legally, she's still married to Tyrion. The marriage, while unconsummated, hasn't been annulled yet.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 01:42, June 15, 2014 (UTC)
Given Tywin's death and Tyrion's abandonment of the other Lannisters, I think now it should be removed. No one will press that claim.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 23:28, June 23, 2014 (UTC)
Then the House Baelish sigil is in order I think.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 03:49, June 24, 2014 (UTC)

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