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Isn't Shagga in season 2? Reasno 杰诺斯·史林特 23:54, March 27, 2013 (UTC)

No. Some of the Hill Tribes were shown in King's Landing, such as Timett, but apparently it wasn't worth hiring the actor who plays Shagga for another Season, or the cost of sending him to Croatia to film the King's Landing scenes.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 00:13, March 28, 2013 (UTC)

Is he lord of the Vale now? Edit

Just asking, that was what he was promised.

No. Tyrion personally offered the Hill Tribes that he would support them against Lysa Arryn...whom he assumed was going to side with the Tullys and Starks against the Lannisters. Instead, she remained officially neutral. Tyrion isn't Tywin and can't personally decide such major policy. Well...the form of his promise wasn't to say he was simply going to swap out the Hill Tribes for the Arryns as rulers of the Vale. What he said was that he was going to reward the Hill Tribes by paying them, in the form of supplying them with better weapons. Remember when Tyrion mocks that their weapons as rusting and antiquated? Then later on Tywin complains that he hopes they fight well because he doesn't want to waste good steel on them, Shagga got big double-bladed axes, etc. The Lannisters paid them by supplying them with high-quality weapons, making them a more formidable fighting force - the idea being that they would then use these weapons in their conflicts against the Eyrie. Again, the plan sort of fell short in that the Eyrie stayed neutral (so Tywin Lannister saw no need to punish it).
The Hill Tribes weren't cheated or anything, though. Both sides benefited: the Lannisters got their support at the Battle of the Green Fork (plus as guards in King's Landing - they're not good at siege warfare so in the books Tyrion deployed them in the Kingswood to harass Stannis's scouts and they did quite well) - meanwhile, the Hill Tribes got supplied with a lot of high-quality weapons, making them a far more formidable threat (plus they got paid in money). Yes, this does become a plot point later on and I don't think this is the last we've heard of the Hill Tribes -- later on (sort of as a long-delayed "brick joke") the next time action returns to the Eyrie in late book 3 (corresponding to Season 4), they mention that the Hill Tribes have been raiding a lot and emboldened because they have better weapons to fight with now.
Shagga himself, though, chose not to return to the Vale just yet, but to stay in the Kingswood, where he and the Storm Crows have been doing quite well raiding surrounding Baratheon lands in the confusion of the war.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 05:49, January 3, 2014 (UTC)

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