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Possessive form of names ending in "S"Edit

Okay I've been making this mistake for far too long so I decided to try to fact-check this:

We've been writing "Stannis'" (Stannis, an apostrophe, and NO following possessive "S") for things that belong to Stannis: "Stannis' army", "Stannis' daughter".

I think we were overcompensating. I checked this style guide http://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/possessives.htm -- though admittedly there is more than one official style guide floating around out there.

At any rate, it appears that we've been overcompensating due to mental association with rules about possessive S and PLURAL nouns:

"The Lannisters' money" is correct, but "the Lannisters's money" is incorrect.

That only applies to plural nouns, not singular nouns like a man named "Stannis" that happen to end in "S". In which case, "Stannis's" would actually be correct.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:06, September 19, 2013 (UTC)

I checked: the A Song of Ice and Fire books themselves use "Stannis's" with a following possessive "S". This will now be the official version on the wiki, because it is the version used by George R.R. Martin. So sayeth the shepherd, so sayeth the flock. (Frankly I prefer it this way - the dangling lone apostrophe makes wiki-coding problems, ends up italicizing stuff that shouldn't be).--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:11, September 19, 2013 (UTC)

Hi, I've read all the books, except book 4 and 5. In the books Stannis is an atheist. But even in the show he says to Davos that he doesn't care about gods. So should we change his religion to atheism or something.

Well no, because it isn't just "belief" but also which religion they "support", as a cultural/political thing. With the Lannisters, for example, Tywin is explicitly not very religious ("He believes in the gods, he just doesn't like them very much") but he makes sure to politically influence the Faith of the Seven; Jaime was raised in the Faith of the Seven and takes part in its ceremonies, but privately reveals he doesn't really believe in any gods (because if any religion was real, its gods wouldn't have let the Mad King's reign of terror happen). So while Stannis is something of an atheist (albeit, it is ambiguous) he has chosen to support the Lord of Light religion as a political decision (the Lannisters have their claws deeply around the Faith of the Seven, basically choosing the election of new High Septons through bribery, to the point that it was easier to just switch to a different religion). --The Dragon Demands (talk) 21:11, May 11, 2014 (UTC)

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