Possessive form of names ending in "S"
Okay I've been making this mistake for far too long so I decided to try to fact-check this:
We've been writing "Stannis'" (Stannis, an apostrophe, and NO following possessive "S") for things that belong to Stannis: "Stannis' army", "Stannis' daughter".
I think we were overcompensating. I checked this style guide http://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/possessives.htm -- though admittedly there is more than one official style guide floating around out there.
At any rate, it appears that we've been overcompensating due to mental association with rules about possessive S and PLURAL nouns:
"The Lannisters' money" is correct, but "the Lannisters's money" is incorrect.
That only applies to plural nouns, not singular nouns like a man named "Stannis" that happen to end in "S". In which case, "Stannis's" would actually be correct.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:06, September 19, 2013 (UTC)
I checked: the A Song of Ice and Fire books themselves use "Stannis's" with a following possessive "S". This will now be the official version on the wiki, because it is the version used by George R.R. Martin. So sayeth the shepherd, so sayeth the flock. (Frankly I prefer it this way - the dangling lone apostrophe makes wiki-coding problems, ends up italicizing stuff that shouldn't be).--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:11, September 19, 2013 (UTC)
Hi, I've read all the books, except book 4 and 5. In the books Stannis is an atheist. But even in the show he says to Davos that he doesn't care about gods. So should we change his religion to atheism or something.
- Well no, because it isn't just "belief" but also which religion they "support", as a cultural/political thing. With the Lannisters, for example, Tywin is explicitly not very religious ("He believes in the gods, he just doesn't like them very much") but he makes sure to politically influence the Faith of the Seven; Jaime was raised in the Faith of the Seven and takes part in its ceremonies, but privately reveals he doesn't really believe in any gods (because if any religion was real, its gods wouldn't have let the Mad King's reign of terror happen). So while Stannis is something of an atheist (albeit, it is ambiguous) he has chosen to support the Lord of Light religion as a political decision (the Lannisters have their claws deeply around the Faith of the Seven, basically choosing the election of new High Septons through bribery, to the point that it was easier to just switch to a different religion). --The Dragon Demands (talk) 21:11, May 11, 2014 (UTC)
Wtg Stannis
Switching my allegiance to His Grace Tommen of the House Baratheon, First of His Name, the Best Chance we have for a good King of the Andals and the First Men, Lord of the Seven Kingdoms, and Protector of the Realm.
Kinslayer Stannis indeed.
He's dead, folks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHMuqH7yOQc
The Inside the Episode is pretty straightforward. He's dead. DRAEVAN13 02:32, June 15, 2015 (UTC)
No where in the video did they say Stannis Baratheon was dead. You are making stuff up. Simpsonsfan1992 (talk) 03:13, June 15, 2015 (UTC)
Unless we get some confirmation from Stephen Dillane that Stannis is dead(like what Ian McElhinney did with his role as Barristan) or if we see his body, then i will not believe that he is dead. LeonardohJ4 (talk) 03:17, June 15, 2015 (UTC)
All they said was he was ready to die, nothing about him dying. If anything, that wording and the cut away are in favor of him being alive. But frankly it is uncertain, which is what it should say until it's been confirmed one way or another.67.247.140.29 03:21, June 15, 2015 (UTC)
- He's dead.[1]
- Yup, official website confirmed, Stannis is dead. DRAEVAN13 03:26, June 15, 2015 (UTC)
Welp, guess that's about it. I really don't like that they did this but eh, show is the show and books are the books. #RIPMannis LeonardohJ4 (talk) 03:29, June 15, 2015 (UTC)
Welp, time to support the white walkers. Heil Night's King! Fuck humanity. If Jon Snow and Stannis are both dead than I want Westeros to freeze. Simpsonsfan1992 (talk) 03:50, June 15, 2015 (UTC)
Well, the website also says Jon Snow is Ned Stark's Bastard son so it must only be from the information we're given in the show.
Well, I guess he is dead.... for now. But the way they shot the scene makes it so weird, why not show it? The show never shyed away from violent character death's before,they outright had Jon snow shanked to death, and we know he isn't coming back, but we get a cut away but no real resolution. I think htey intentionally left it ambiogious to give them some breathing room, that last book had a similar affect, Stannis was proclaimed to be dead by Ramsey, but it wasn't ever truly confirmed, I think they wanted the same affect as in the book. They intentionally left it ambious, like the books, which I think was a really clever way of translating the same thing into a video format.
Well, offical is offical, even if the site ends up being wrong or misleading, it still holds more sway than my pathetic opinions ever could.67.247.140.29 04:04, June 15, 2015 (UTC)
RIP Stannis Baratheon, the One True King. 174.56.146.50 04:07, June 15, 2015 (UTC)
Someone who can edit the page should add him to list of deceased characters on "Mother's Mercy."BrocktonBlocbuster (talk) 04:16, June 15, 2015 (UTC)
He is dead? Then show me his body! Jarmok (talk) 11:40, June 15, 2015 (UTC)
The Director David Nutter says he's dead http://variety.com/2015/tv/news/game-of-thrones-season-5-finale-jon-stannis-deaths-david-nutter-1201520137/
"There’s also speculation about whether Stannis is truly dead. We didn’t see Brienne deliver that final, fatal blow.
I think that was basically in the script. Dan and David felt it best not to be gratuitous with that. You really got a sense that Stannis had nothing else to live for. Brienne’s life-long mission had come to an end. It’s a situation in which Stannis was ready to die and prepared to die. It would have been gratuitous."--Mesmermann (talk) 09:57, June 16, 2015 (UTC)
More gratuitous is that you kill the best character of the show offscreen. --Gladiatus (talk) 14:55, June 16, 2015 (UTC)
I find the wording of that really weird. "I think that was basically in the script." He think's, does that mean they didn't tell him why it was written that way? And the show has never been afrid to go gratuitous before, with much more popular characters, Oberon, a fan favorite had his head crushed like a grape for the whole world to see, are you telling me that's not gratuitous.BrocktonBlocbuster (talk) 15:19, June 16, 2015 (UTC)
This. But taking the whole audience, I do think Stannis was more popular than Oberyn. --Gladiatus (talk) 16:06, June 16, 2015 (UTC)
Latest episode - Current status
The infobox for Stannis is below standard; is simply says 'Status Dead' with no death reason. It should be changed to "Deceased" (like for all other characters) and put "Executed by Brienne of Tarth" in the 'death' voice as the reason. Considering the page is blocked, could someone with authority please do this.
Please change Stannis' status in the infobox to unconfirmed. There is still hope. The director didn't even film him getting executed, just the sword swing into nothing. 24.212.229.207 19:54, June 15, 2015 (UTC)
- He's listed on the official Game of Thrones website as "Executed by Brienne of Tarth". Unless we see him next season, we'll leave it as "Deceased". DRAEVAN13 19:56, June 15, 2015 (UTC)
- That site always says Tommen, Joffrey, and Myrcella were born to Robert Baratheon, even though Jaime said himself this episode he is her father. Not a good source. I don't think she killed him. Simpsonsfan1992 (talk) 23:38, June 15, 2015 (UTC)
I sure as hell hope not. Not another second of the character epitome of filler. His death seemed final anyway imo. — Sharp Blades (talk) 11:37, June 16, 2015 (UTC)
What bullshit is this? Until you see a body, you don't know if Stannis is actually dead. Pretty pathetic that you've protected his page to lock the "executed by Brienne" status there. Really unprofessional. Hatred101 (talk) 15:36, June 17, 2015 (UTC)
- Any evidence that he's not dead? Or do you really think this wiki should be based on wishful thinking?--Gboy4 (talk) 15:50, June 17, 2015 (UTC)
- Other than the fact that they did a cut-out in one of the most graphic shows on television? What makes you think that if they really killed off a character as important as Stannis, they would not show him clearly dying? We clearly see Jon Snow's dead body in the end of the episode but we never see Stannis' body. Therefore, it's not wishful thinking. It's lack of evidence on your part, not mine. Hatred101 (talk) 15:53, June 17, 2015 (UTC)
Cause of Death
In my opinion, is not correct the phrase "Executed by Brienne of Tarth". Is most correct "Killed by Brienne of Tarth" because she is killing him by regicide in the name of the rightful King Renly and Stannis didn't commit regicide. He was the king and Renly was a betrayer who tried to usurpate the throne (no, they weren't the same, Stannis's claim was 100% better than Renly's claim). Yes, he was more sympathetic than his brother, but he is a betrayer and he deserved his destiny. In summary, Brienne killed Stannis in the name of a false king, for a crimen who really is not a crime and without legal support behind her apart from her feelings of revenge. Was an assassination, not an execution.Mortimercio (talk) 11:50, June 16, 2015 (UTC)
This. And to prevent people from mistaking his status for uncertain we need a source that proves his death. Would be hilarious though if next season he appears and isn't dead. --Gladiatus (talk) 14:53, June 16, 2015 (UTC)
What...? Mortimercio, you should look up the definiton of an execution. This was an execution. The word doesn't imply whether the killing is legal or not. Criminal organizations and terrorists execute people. I don't even know where this is coming from. If anything, "execution" sounds harsher than "killing." —ArticXiongmao (talk) 15:10, June 16, 2015 (UTC)
1. The act or process to executing - 2. (law) the carrying out of a sentence of death (...)
Killing someone without legal process, in the name of a false king (no legal support), being judge and executioner at the same time because she wants be and using as an excuse a crime which is not really a crime (Stannis was the rightful king, not Renly, and he was right killing an enemy, traitor and usurper), Brienne commited an assassination. Killed by Brienne of Tarth is better than Executed by Brienne of Tarth because is more clear and precise. Moreover, why Renly was killed and Stannis was executed? One of them commited a serious crime what caused his death and was not Stannis. Brienne did revenge, not justice.Mortimercio (talk) 16:03, June 16, 2015 (UTC)