Based on the conventions used for other regions, shouldn't this be titled "The Vale" and not just "Vale"?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 02:11, July 29, 2012 (UTC)

You're quite right. I've renamed it.--Opark 77 (talk) 18:24, July 29, 2012 (UTC)

Andal Heritage of the Valemen

Most of the nobility in the Vale of Arryn, with the exception of the houses Royce and Redfort, claim to be of pure Andal descent. Does the same apply to smallfolk in the Vale? I mean, was there a movement of farming families from Andalos to support the knightly caste, or are the local peasantry the descendants of conquered First Men who were converted to the Faith of the Seven? --Fenrir51 (talk) 20:01, August 11, 2014 (UTC)

There are a few First Men holdouts like the Royces, but otherwise the First Men were practically exterminated in the Vale - though the Hill tribes are stated to be the remnants of the First Men who lived in the Vale. Again, World of Ice and Fire will give a definitive answer in about two months when it is released.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 20:26, August 11, 2014 (UTC)

Kingdom of Vale and Sky?

Where does the term "Kingdom of Vale and Sky" come from? I've never seen it mentioned anywhere else. The Arryns were the Kings of Mountain and Vale and the previous First Men were the Mountain Kings.

DK Wolf 27 23:25, September 28, 2014 (UTC)​​

It is mentioned in the books. The show simplifies some stuff. --Gonzalo84 (talk) 00:11, September 29, 2014 (UTC)
It is a rarely used variant that does appear in the books, though "Kingdom of Mountain and Vale" is more commonly used.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 00:27, September 29, 2014 (UTC)

All over the wiki I see info that the Vale is now part of the Kingdom of the North. Where does this come from? There's nothing in the show supporting this as far as I know, except the fact that Lord Royce was in the hall when all the gathered lords proclaimed Jon the King in the North. That is not nearly enough evidence to conclude that Vale lords are now vassals to House Stark.

I would appreciate if someone would shed some light on this and/or remove this as of yet incorrect info. 11:48, July 15, 2016 (UTC)Mr Fixit