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New Family Tree imageEdit

We need a new image for Tommen on the family tree; Callum Wharry has been growing up, and as with several of the younger child characters, his face now looks very different. He hasn't appeared in Season 3 yet of course, so I'm not sure what would be a good one.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 01:05, June 10, 2013 (UTC)

Tommen recast?!?!Edit

The shit has just hit the proverbial fan. Rumors abound that Tommen Baratheon may be recast for Season 4....using Dean-Charles Chapman, who played Tommen's first cousin Martyn Lannister in Season 3! This requires immediate attention and close attention...--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:43, August 19, 2013 (UTC)

For what it's worth, there was a Twitter conversation between Lena Headey (Cersei) and Dean Chapman where she calls him "son." That may not mean a lot, but it seems interesting as the two actors were never on screen together before. TheUnknown285 (talk) 00:40, December 17, 2013 (UTC)
This twitter post is intriguing, thank you for posting it here.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 21:42, December 17, 2013 (UTC)

I've been looking at the Foreshadowing video they just put out looking for either Callum Wharry or Dean-Charles Chapman. I think I've found Tommen here sitting between Cersei and Tyrion. Granted, it's been like two years since we've last seen Callum Wharry and I haven't seen a recent picture of him, but that looks like Dean-Charles Chapman. TheUnknown285 (talk) 06:33, February 10, 2014 (UTC)

It was good to check the video, but it's too blurry to use as proof. As you said, Wharry was a child actor and after 2 years might just look really different.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 15:57, February 10, 2014 (UTC)

Zap2it confirms Dean-Charles Chapman is playing Tommen. They also have a picture on their Instagram at the Season 4 premiere. TheUnknown285 (talk) 00:51, March 19, 2014 (UTC)

Additionally, Chapman's former acting school posted a tweet congratulating him for landing the role of Tommen; this tweet was liked by Chapman himself and even retweeted by his mother. Also, Chapman's Twitter bio has been updated. Before, it listed "Game of Thrones" among several productions he's been in such as Billy Elliot (the role that his Twitter account is named after). Now it's just Game of Thrones that's listed. The only counter-factual we're seeing right now is the HBO website still lists Callum Wharry as playing the role, but I don't think it's been updated as I don't see any Season 4 characters (unless I completely missed them). TheUnknown285 (talk) 15:32, March 20, 2014 (UTC)

Elio and Linda on Westeros.org just put up a video discussing their general impressions of the first three episodes, and they have confirmed that Tommen was recast. So it's official.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 17:01, April 5, 2014 (UTC)

New TitleEdit

It would appear Tommen Baratheon is the new heir apparent to the titles King of the Andals and the First Men, Lord of the Seven Kingdoms, and Protector of the Realm. Hail, Tommen of the House Baratheon, First of his name, King of the Andals and the First Men, Lord of the Seven Kingdoms, and Protector of the Realm. May he be a much better king than Jeoffrey

New TitleEdit

It would appear Tommen Baratheon is the new heir apparent to the titles King of the Andals and the First Men, Lord of the Seven Kingdoms, and Protector of the Realm. Hail, Tommen of the House Baratheon, First of his name, King of the Andals and the First Men, Lord of the Seven Kingdoms, and Protector of the Realm. May he be a much better king than Jeoffrey

Please unlock Edit

Please unlock this page so we can get to editing.  Thanks.  TheUnknown285 (talk) 09:57, April 14, 2014 (UTC)

The YoungestEdit

Should it be mentioned that Tommen will be the youngest King to sit on the Iron Throne? He' s ~12 years old in Season 4 and the youngest king before him was Daeron I Targaryen being 14 when his father, Aegon III died. SonOfZeus1200~Peace out. 02:02, April 23, 2014 (UTC)

I think Aegon III was younger.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 05:13, April 23, 2014 (UTC)

Tommen's new in-show age Edit

Following the recasting of Tommen Baratheon to Dean-Charles Chapman, a boy of 15 during the filming of season 4, from Callum Wharry (whom is noticeably younger, by two or three years), would it be fair to say that Tommen Baratheon is now somewhat older than 12? All the other characters were aged by two years except for Joffrey, whose age was increased by four to make the deplorable acts he does and the creepily sexual violence somewhat more palatable and believable. Going by how Dean-Charles seems 4 years older or so than the character in the book, and two years or so older than the previous actor (in addition to the cougar-esque borderline seduction Natalie Dormer's Margaery Tyrell pulled on him, which implies he's not exactly a prepubescent), should Tommen's age be listed as 14 or 15 as opposed to 12? That would be in line with Joffrey's age-up, and align him better with his actor's age. 172.14.234.181 02:45, May 31, 2014 (UTC)

They didn't increase Joffrey's age to make it more "palatable and believable" - all characters were aged up about 2 years due to sexual censorship (specifically because of Daenerys), but even so Joffrey was made four years older....probably to match the actor. Child actors can't carry drama as well and much relied on Joffrey so they casted a slightly older but better actor.
If Joffrey was 17 in Season 2, that makes him 16 in Season 1 - when in Book 1, Joffrey was 12, Myrcella 8, and Tommen only 7 years old.
Given that all child characters were aged up by 2 years, I functionally assume that Myrcella was 10 and Tommen 9 in Season 1....plus 3 years of in-TV-series time, makes Myrcella 13 in Season 4 and Tommen 12 in Season 4. Tommen was about 8 or 9 when Joffrey died in the books (the war until Joffrey's death only actually lasts about 2 years, but the TV series covered this in 3 seasons, and one season = one story year in the TV series...due to the child actors aging at a normal rate).
Now their relative ages might simply be different in the books...given that Joffrey was four years older instead of two. Nonetheless, as the youngest of three children, it is physically impossible for Tommen to be more than about two years younger than Joffrey. He couldn't be more than 14 years old in Season 1, and was probably much younger. This also means he physically cannot be more than 17 years old in Season 4.
We honestly can't tell for sure now. No, Margaery was not performing a "cougar-esque seduction of him". Much as in the books, Margaery tries to curry favor with Tommen by just being nice to him, as Cersei actually kind of ignored him as the younger son. In the books, she gets him cats to play with, in the TV series he already had Ser Pounce, but Margaery admires his cat. Same thing. Nothing about it was sexual, book or TV series.
But in all seriousness: NO, what possible, factual basis is it to determine if a character is older or not based on how they...behave? And the actor's age is meaningless: Jack Gleeson, for example, is actually about three years older than Joffrey (if Joffrey was 17 in Season 2, Gleeson was 20 years old when he filmed those scenes).
We're leaving it blank until we have confirmation. --The Dragon Demands (talk) 02:59, May 31, 2014 (UTC)
Also in teenage drama series, the actor is way older than the role their play. Bianca Lawson played a role of a 18 year old girl in "Pretty Little Liars", but Lawson is 35. My point is, the actors are often older than their roles.--Mesmermann (talk) 18:03, May 31, 2014 (UTC)
Fair enough--I will acquiesce to the points that actors often play chronologically younger characters, as well as to the general idea that the age of Tommen should stay undefined until given canon status by a showrunner, in-show mention, actor, or other informed official source. However, I DO disagree about Margaery's late-night visit--there was so much unspoken sexual tension in the air between them that it made ME uncomfortable. Perhaps I was simply reading into it too far because of Lady Olenna's very pointed tale from her younger years about her late-night seduction of her future husband, the lord of Highgarden, in a very similar manner... buuut I really couldn't say definitively either way. 172.14.234.181 09:44, June 3, 2014 (UTC)

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