White Tyene?
"The SDCC 2014 press release described Tyene as the daughter of Oberyn and Ellaria - which is very confusing: Oberyn is a "salty Dornishman" and Ellaria is a "sandy Dornishman", both non-white characters. If TV-Tyene is indeed Ellaria's daughter, they cast her based on her biography in the novels, then when they changed her TV series biography they did not recast accordingly."
That makes absolutely no sense. Rosabell Laurenti Sellers is Italian. Pedro Pascal is Chilean. Indira Varma is half-Indian half-Swiss (though of Italian descent.) Spaniards (and descendants of them) and Italians look pretty much alike —as a Spaniard, I can assure you of that. Southerners in both countries are more tanned and look “less white”, and Northerners pretty much all look pale and rosy, though very few of us are blonde. Anyway, whatever you call it, the point is Pascal and Sellers (and half of Varma) are of a very similar ethnicity. Tyene could easily be the daughter of Ellaria and Oberyn. It’s not even unlikely; this is not a matter of suspension of disbelief, or accepting it as TV-reality —it’s 100% believable, because the actors DO in fact share a very close ethnicity. —ArticXiongmao (talk) 23:44, March 2, 2015 (UTC)
1 - I wrote this too quickly while on a break in school and need to fix the wording.
2 - ....Sellers looks much lighter skinned than Pascal or Varma.
Italy and Spain both have ethnic continuums. It would make no difference to me if Sellers is from Spain or Italy.
Pretending that Sellers was said to be "from Spain"....I'd say she looks like she's from northern Spain, despite being cast to play the daughter of TWO characters from southern Spain.
No, Tyene doesn't look like she's the daughter of Ellaria and Oberyn, based on the actors' appearances.
Sellers doesn't look particularly dark skinned or even olive-skinned. I've seen darker/tan skinned Italians before and she isn't one of them.
NO, they do not "share close ethnicity" - you just said that "ethnicity" in Italy and Spain are fluid and on a continuum...
let me get terminology correct here: we're talking phenotype, not genotype. Whatever ethnic origins Sellers has, based on the photos I have seen of her (including the few we've seen in full costume).....from empirical observation, she doesn't look as dark skinned as Oberyn and Ellaria.
...do you claim that based purely on appearance, Sellers appears to be roughly the same ethnicity as Pascal and Varma?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 07:12, March 3, 2015 (UTC)
Well, of course I do. You seem to be quite ignorant about this. My father, a Spaniard technically born in the North but with parents from the South, wouldn’t look out of place in Dorne, or any Arab country, especially when he tans. His siblings, however, wouldn’t. At all. One of them is blonde! My mother, a Northerner, is blonde and has blue eyes. Their offspring? I have green eyes, dark blonde hair, and pale skin. My brother has dark hair and blue eyes.
Tyene could easily be the daughter of Ellaria and Oberyn. It’s not even unlikely. They pretty much all look like the same ethnicity, except maybe Ellaria, who looks more Indian and naturally darker-skinned (Pedro Pascal IS and LOOKS white outside the show; he was just tanned and had makeup for the role.) This is not a matter of suspension of disbelief, or accepting it as TV-reality; it’s 100% believable, because the actors do in fact share a very close ethnicity. I see more unlikely-looking off-springs every day where I’m from.
As for why Tyene looks paler than his father; any reason! If you really wanna justify it for some reason, fine: considering her character, maybe she spends more time reading and less time under the sun! And hey, anyway, the comments on "The Watchers on the Wall" prove you're literally, literally, the only one who seems to have this issue, the only one who doesn't find it believable. Have you considered, per chance, that you are simply wrong? I don't think you realize how ridiculous this complaint ks from a production standpoint: "Oh, we found the perfect actress for the role... Pity, her skin tone is half a shade too pale, we simply cannot cast her!". Ludicrous. —ArticXiongmao (talk) 08:22, March 3, 2015 (UTC)
....I'm not sure if you understand what I'm saying: to a certain extent, you can have in a narrative a father who is blonde, a mother who is blonde, and their child have black hair, and just assume that they look like one of their grandparents.
It's a bit more difficult to do this with different races, i.e. two blonde European looking parents suddenly having a sub-saharan black child, with zero mention that they had a black grandparent. This is of course not as drastic in Dorne or Spain which has a long history of intermarriage (the Martells do have some Andal DNA rattling around in their background).
...even so, you are contradicting yourself: First, you claimed the Sellers-Tyene looks "ethnically similar" to TV-Oberyn and TV-Ellaria. ...Then in your next sentence you shift to saying that Sellers-Tyene indeed looks "paler" than TV-Oberyn, but wave this aside saying she could easily just resemble a grandparent.
Now I'm just plain confused: the question is simple. Do you think that Sellers looks like Oberyn and Ellaria?
If "No", a separate and entirely separate question would be, "are they going to say that she looks like a grandparent or something?" -- and Third...why would they bother with making such a convoluted explanation, instead of just casting an actress that looks more like Ellaria?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 09:00, March 3, 2015 (UTC)