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Third King of His Name?[]

Should Viserys get the formal designation of " III " in his name to denote he is the third king of his name?

My opinion is that since he never sat on the Iron Throne - let alone actually controlled and ruled from it - he can't be considered a legitimate king of the Iron Throne. Instead, he should be considered a claimant only, and therefore, he should not be given a numerical designation.

But others disagree since the " III " has been added back. I just don't understand the reasoning why. Please explain.

Any others, feel free to add your opinions.

Thanks,

Ser Shield McShield (talk) 20:28, November 2, 2017 (UTC)

I agree. Plus there's the fact that Jon is technically the rightful king since Rhaegar was his father. So yeah, I think "III" should be omitted from the article. Shaneymike (talk) 21:02, November 2, 2017 (UTC)
He’s referred to directly as the “Third of his name” in the show... that should be enough. - Xanderen signature 22:25, November 2, 2017 (UTC)
Other claimants, like Stannis Baratheon, Renly Baratheon, and even Daenerys Targaryen are given their numerical designations in titles, infoboxes, and the bodies of various articles. Going by this policy, then yes, Viserys should be given the title of Viserys III. ...with that in mind, however, I've been thinking that this policy should maybe be changed (if there's even a formal policy in place - I'm not sure if there is, or if it's just something we've all sort of commonly agreed to up until this dispute?). I feel like, similar to AWOIAF, only those who have actually sat on the Iron Throne and legitimately ruled as Kings/Queens of the Seven Kingdoms should have the designations. I don't think it's needed for claimants since they aren't legitimate monarchs (regardless if they are the "rightful" or "lawful" heirs). I suppose it was added since they've been crowned in their own sort of way? I'm not sure. I also don't think we necessarily need to introduce each article with the current title used by the characters, and the opening lines in their intro paragraph could just be their name in bold, so on and so forth, regardless if they're legitimate or not. We used to do this but it was since changed... I guess to match with AWOIAF (although, unlike AWOIAF, our characters' titles were updated to be kept up with the current season whereas on AWOIAF, the intro paragraph only has stuff from before the events of the first book to avoid direct spoilers in the introduction). Reddyredcp (talk) 23:05, November 2, 2017 (UTC)
Hey Xanderen, when and what context was it used? If someone called Viserys that to flatter him - which is what I remember (but that's not saying much) - I wouldn't really think that is what we should go by.
Reddyredcp - Good point about Stannis, Renly and Daenerys. One big difference between those three and Viserys is that at least those three ruled over significant areas while Viserys just begged and then was killed before he did anything of note. In short, Viserys will be a footnote of history while Stannis, Renly and Daenerys won't be.
Thanks, Ser Shield McShield (talk) 23:25, November 2, 2017 (UTC)
In "Winter Is Coming", Illyrio Mopatis stylises Viserys as "Viserys of House Targaryen, the Third of His Name, the rightful King of the Andals and the First Men" when he is introduced to Khal Drogo. 
Queen of the Andals and the First Men (talk) 05:12, November 3, 2017 (UTC)

Viserys III in the era of HotD[]

Due to the principle of "ease of access for casual viewers", I think we should rename this page to "Viserys III Targaryen" to avoid confusion with Rhaenyra's father Viserys I.

Yes, he was only a claimant to the throne, styling himself "Viserys, Third of That Name" - but at least that phrase is used on-screen.

Yes, there was an uncounted "Prince Viserys" the brother of Jaehaerys.

But for ease of access to the new viewers...most of whom are just watching House of the Dragon's live-action episodes...it's doubtful we'll see Jaehaerys's brother on-screen. Nor will we ever get a Game of Thrones sequel, so whether or not a subsequent king calls himself "Viserys III" is an abstraction.

His "official" name within the article would still be "Viserys" and the opening paragraph say "he claims to be 'Viserys III'"...this is purely a matter of the article title for purposes of clarity. We'd even put in a note saying "technically he was never officially Viserys III, but we changed the title to avoid confusion with Viserys I in House of the Dragon".

A lot of the casual viewers are still confused what time period this prequel is even set in. We need the wiki to be noob friendly.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 13:26, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

I agree —Potsk signature (talk) 16:05, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
There is another way, without making the title incorrect, the way all the non-monarch Aegons are distinguished: to add "(son of Aerys II)" to the title. Moonracer (talk) 11:34, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
I'm leaning toward this as well. — Darth Dracarys (talk) 17:35, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
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