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We need your vote on this, everyone else voted already: http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:GoTWiki_Small_Council_meeting_4:_GoT_video_game_by_Telltale?t=20141204001549
I tried emailing you the other week in regards to an exclusive opportunity; hopefully, it’ll be of interest! In conjunction with Telltale Games, Wikia will be working to create a unique experience for visitors of our Game of Thrones community, specifically the pages centered on the episodic Game of Thrones: A Telltale Game. I wanted to see if you'd be interested in joining us.
Let me know if you are interested or have any questions,
Hi :) My name is John and I'm an admin on Mistresses Wiki.
I just started watching the show and upon visiting the wikia I saw the affiliates list. I was wondering if you'd be interesting in affiliating my wikia ? :) --Zooomi 21:30, January 27, 2015 (UTC)
Appointing new Admins for Season 5Edit
Please check this out: http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:GoTWiki_Small_Council_meeting_5:_Wild_Card_Day
Episode 2 Mainpage ChangesEdit
This is Knakveey from Wikia's game team. I wanted to reach out to some of the active admins with a request in regards to the main page for the upcoming Telltale: GoT episode 2 that is due out soon. This is of course a request and you can decline to have any changes made, but you might find some of the suggestions helpful for the wiki.
- Would it be possible to have the latest fannotation trailers highlighted on the mainpage slider? I know it is currently under "featured media", but it would be great to have it in the slider too.
- What are your thoughts about adding a "Telltale" link under the "Episodes" tab in the nav bar? It would allow users to access articles in regards to the game more efficiently.
- We thought it would be nice to add a right rail unit that highlights the most recent game episode/game character/crucial choice, etc. This would be a new unit on the page and it would be designed by our artists here. They would make something that is slick and will not deviate from the overall look of the wiki. This design will also be sent to you before proceeding so we can make sure it's something that you like and are happy with. Alternatively, what about using the existing "Featured Article" section to highlight the current episode?
If you prefer, I can also post this on the forum/small council and repeat what I have mentioned above.
Again, you do not need to do any of these things, but it is something we think can help improve traffic to the page and increase it's reputation for being a great database for all things Game of Thrones.
Thanks for your time,
- For the main page slider I'd rather defer to my co-bureaucrats QueenBuffy and TheDragonDemands
- I would keep the bar as it is, the Telltale game is supplementary to the show and this is a wiki about the show, not the game.
- Likewise. Too much rails and links make the wiki visually cumbersome.
--Gonzalo84 (talk) 15:06, February 3, 2015 (UTC)
Histories & Lore pagequotesEdit
This has come up a few times: for historical characters, sometimes we have a great quote that "encapsulates the character" from the Histories & Lore videos, because they're more detailed. Conversely, we have times when they're at least mentioned in the main TV series, though only in passing.
Major example: Maegor Targaryen is discussed in greater detail in the Histories and Lore videos, but the most prominent time he's mentioned in the TV series is when Sansa gives the answer to Mordane that the Red Keep was built by Maegor the Cruel, back in Season 1.
A principle I've been trying to use from my library school instruction is to remember that most of our "audience" doesn't know the material as well as we do. Even the "attentive TV-first viewers", TV viewers who do pay attention, don't always watch the Histories and Lore videos. So I think the best thing to do for "historical characters" is to start with "most prominent/good quote about them in the main series" at the top of the page....though we'd then work in the "better quote about them from the Histories and Lore" into another part of the article. That is...the opening quote is "this is where you may have heard of this person or thing mentioned in the main series", a "hook" to act as a starting point. Well, see what I mean on the Maegor Targaryen article.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 04:58, February 5, 2015 (UTC)
I used the quote because I don't like dialogues so much. As for Daeron. The quote was more about the book than Daeron himself.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 15:24, February 5, 2015 (UTC)
Site merge Edit
As the good folks here know, we have an existing Game of Thrones wikia that exists solely to document content for the Telltale game. After discussing it with the lead admin over there, a tentative agreement has been reached that would result in the merging of that site into this one. I am aware that a recent vote was cast here on how to include game information, but am also aware that the existing team here has been focused almost exclusively on the television series.
Here is the proposal - please keep in mind this is not set in stone and is certainly up for debate, as consensus needs to be reached between the two sites before anything moves forward:
- The team over there wants to focus exclusively on the game when the sites are merged which, of course, frees the team here to focus on the television series.
- It is preferable that the admin team over there be included in the leadership here; additionally, it would probably be nice to have the lead admin from over there be a bcrat here in order to have the "game team" represented.
- There should be some indication on the main page and the navigation that articles on the game exist on the wikia
- There are no plans to change the look or feel of the site here, at least in general; given that the team being merged already has a look in place for their pages, it might be best to take what they've done and tweak it so it fits with the theme of this site - this will potentially be something that would have to be sandboxed and then agreed upon, unless there's no issue (of course)
That pretty much sums things up. I would be doing the heavy lifting of import/export in order to keep all revision histories intact as much as possible. Smaller changes have to be carried over manually, as well as images and templates. The lead admin over there would likely assist with the latter. I would also be involved in every step of the merger from beginning to end and would be on-hand to answer any questions or solve any issues that might arise.
The obvious benefits of this include this team being able to focus solely on what their passion was in the first place, namely the television series. Another team completely related to their passion - the game - means the best of both worlds. Obviously there would be an increase in traffic here with the redirect alone; but then Telltale is planning a Fan Studio endeavor, which would bump traffic up even more (hopefully) and result in both teams of admins able to potentially benefit from any information from the gaming company... and who knows what else related to GoT they might reveal.
Please let me know what you think at your earliest convenience!
We're going to have to keep an eye out if Fansided's WiC.net plagiarizes us again in Season 5, as their quota-numbers rise and they run out of ideas.
I've already seen them outright linking to Game of Thrones Wiki....and rerunning WatchersOnTheWall.com news reports!...when it's a slow news day.
Recently, in preparation for Season 5, they made a series of refresher-posts on the "Great Houses of Westeros" -- basically compiled by making a quick read-through of AWOIAF and GoTWiki articles. What I find most offensive is...if these people actually WATCHED the show, they wouldn't NEED to rip off wikis for such basic information. Well, "rip off", at least these aren't verbatim quotes. But they have minor errors which someone actually familiar with the content wouldn't make.
Some of the things this Rowan guy did are just bizarre:
Check out the comments section (which seems to be combined for all of them). He actually mixed up that Arya *doesn't* help "liberate Harrenhal" in the TV version! Must have been reading AWOIAF's page. He then in the comments...tries to cover himself by saying that it was implied that Jaqen killed every single guard in Harrenhal, paving the way for Robb Stark's army to recapture it. Why would Jaqen kill Stark prisoners as well as Lannister guardsmen?!?!? -- they said pretty clearly that Gregor massacred what prisoners they had then withdrew.
He also claims that the "male preference inheritance laws" of Westeros mean that a younger brother inherits ahead of his older brother's daughter. No...that's how the Targaryen rules work. Even in REAL LIFE....he said that Edmure's heir would be "Catelyn's children by female preference, his uncle Brynden by male-preference"....No. That isn't what "male preference" means! Only the Targaryens did it that way, the royal succession laws.
The funniest/saddest part is when he defends some of his wacky decisions with even worse justifications in the comments.
Meanwhile....and I think this reflects much of their "casual viewer mentality"...they're just watching Game of Thrones as the "hot show of the moment" - they could just as easily have done Mad Men or The Walking Dead, but they're not even paying attention and only half-assing it because they're just paid to do it, not independent fansites.
Well, to get to the point: He refers to Joffrey as "Joffrey Lannister-Baratheon" and Tommen as "Tommen Lannister-Baratheon".
In the comments, someone pointed out that they don't use double-surnames in Westeros like that. His explanation was that he felt casual viewers would get confused, so he wrote it that way to make it more explicit....yikes. How little attention does someone have to be paying attention to need that? Why cater to the mouth-breathers who say they love "Khaleesi" but have no idea who "Daenerys" is?
BY THAT LOGIC, why not call EVERY child of Eddard and Catelyn that? "Arya Tully-Stark"? "Robb Tully-Stark", etc.?
I am unconcerned, however, in terms of competition: the morons didn't even integrate these little character profiles into their site menu! The only way you would notice them is if you read the original news post! They even have character pages (like a paragraph each) but you wouldn't notice if they didn't link to it.
Again, I am unconcerned: they're paid to do this and they're already undermanned, and they don't know as much as many TV-first fans who just pay attention. We do this because we love it.
Michael Corleone: "I saw a strange thing today. Some Cuban rebels were being arrested. One of them pulled the pin on a grenade. He took himself and the captain of the command with him. Now, soldiers are paid to fight - the rebels aren't."
Hyman Roth: "What does that tell you?"
Michael Corleone: "They could win."
Video Programming OpportunityEdit
Hey there! We're planning an upcoming video about Game of Thrones that we wondered if you'd consider participating in. Let us know if it's something you'd like to do, and we'll get back to you with more information. Thank you for your time! :)
MediaWiki color scheme templateEdit
Okay, I finally got onto updating the color scheme of the nav templates, had to ask XD1 for help updating the new color scheme (instead of Blue and Grey (ugh), it's now Wood Brown and Beige - both blue links and black text will show up better against this).
The Appearances/Credits templates needed to be updated by hand because unlike the others they use a grid, but that was easy enough.
Only one that might still need updating is the House information Navbox - it uses three vertical columns so it's different from the others - managed to change the title bar to Wood Brown, but I couldn't get the background to Beige without making an ugly grid pattern, so I left it neutral.
At any rate, writing to inform that the next time we ever change the entire color scheme, the way to do it is by playing with the CSS code on this page: http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/MediaWiki:Wikia.css
If we remember this, next time we won't go a couple of weeks with the old color scheme in the templates because we don't know how to change it :) --The Dragon Demands (talk) 19:57, March 12, 2015 (UTC)
Also attempted to update the Wars/Battles/Massacres/Events infobox - template page says it has changed but it isn't showing up yet on actual pages - may take a few minutes to kick in.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 20:12, March 12, 2015 (UTC)
UPDATE: I fixed the color scheme on the templates for Massacres, Events, Battles, and Wars.
One exception: I don't know why, but the title "War of the Five Kings" is not displaying on that article. the "Name=" tag does work in other war articles such as "Dance of the Dragons", I have no idea why it isn't displaying properly. --The Dragon Demands (talk) 22:26, March 12, 2015 (UTC)
FixedGonzalo84 (talk) 23:01, March 12, 2015 (UTC)
Season 5 Episode Summaries Edit
Okay it took me nearly a year (I was graduating at the time this exploded in the news), but I'm done with my writeup for The Jaime/Cersei sex scene in "Breaker of Chains".
Please read it fully, and on the Talk page tell me if you disagree with anything. It may need some refinement. But we have to say something, people look here for information.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 06:46, April 7, 2015 (UTC)
terrible writing Edit
Hey!! It wasn't that terrible!!! LOL ;) It was late.. my apologies. QueenBuffy 18:50, April 13, 2015 (UTC)
Character infobox recoded to be mobile-friendly Edit
Hi Gonzalo. I'm Joe from Wikia. :)
We noticed that Template:Character was broken on the mobile skin, so I just recoded the template to look exactly the same for the desktop skin, while now being mobile-friendly.
Since you are the admin that's edited the template over the last couple years, I wanted to let you know about the edit I made. If you use Chrome, the one minor visual difference you'll notice is that the corners are rounded. The template's styling previously had
-moz-border-radius:10px; which only appiles to Firefox. I removed the
-moz- part so that it's now
border-radius:10px; which applies to all browsers. If you don't want the rounded corners, simply remove
border-radius:10px; from the end of the first line in edit mode.
Or whatever her name is... she is actually credited as playing two separate roles in this season. A noblewoman coming up in a later episode, and the prostitute in Ep 1. QueenBuffy 02:39, April 14, 2015 (UTC)
- Perhaps its the same character or her twin sister... or a Faceless Man... I don't know--Gonzalo84 (talk) 02:43, April 14, 2015 (UTC)
- LOL. We'll leave it how it is for now, and change it once that times comes :) QueenBuffy 02:45, April 14, 2015 (UTC)
I need you to review "Version 2.0" of my writeup of this, sooner instead of later, I don't want to put it off until the end of Season 5, but to make it our "official position" and interlink with episode and character articles as soon as the other bureaucrats give it the go-ahead. Please point out anything you feel needs to be changed: http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/The_Jaime/Cersei_sex_scene_in_%22Breaker_of_Chains%22
Alysanne Targaryen Edit
I'm currently creating and editing a page for Alysanne Targaryen for a class project of mine. I will do everything I can to make sure I abide by the Terms and Conditions and formatting of the website, please let me know if there is anything I have made a mistake on. I will be forever in your debt, and a Lannister always pays his debts :)
Swoft - A.k.a. Jason Swift
Any reason why you changed my edits on the mainpage slider? I had permission to edit the last slider from QueenBuffy some time ago. Let me know if there are any issues about the content that was there.
it loaded fine on mine..
Letting the Admins knowEdit
I am soooo tired of writing out message after message about the image policy to users who don't properly upload pictures here. I have created a template, that we can use when telling editors about our policy when it comes to images. ImagePolicyFirstWarning If you see wording that may need to be changed, or anything added- please feel free to make those changes. QueenBuffy 18:38, May 19, 2015 (UTC)
My point is that even if the writers say "well it technically might not be conceptualized as rape to them", simply showing Sansa as afraid of Ramsay (even if they never had sex as they do now) is drastically derailing the character.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 03:54, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
hi um i might need help with some things
Cat Stark picture Edit
Hey Gonzalo :) I uploaded a better picture for Catelyn's profile because the one she has now is kinda hard to see, and a couple of months ago when I first watched GoT and before I read the books, I had a hard time recognizing the face because the picture was so low quality and dark. Change it if you want, if you don't it's ok, I just think it looks better with this one :D
Catelyn Stark in The Rains of Castamere.jpg
The Dance of Dragons Page Edit
When I tried to make some interlanguage links between the english Game of Thrones Wikia and the german one I saw that this page. The Dance of Dragons is locked for "normal" users and only admins can edit it. Could you as an admin please add "[[de:Der Tanz der Drachen (Episode)]]" on the bottom of the page? Would be awesome, thanks!
Cyanide3 12:15, June 2, 2015 (UTC)
Dance of the Dragons SynopsisEdit
The Night KingEdit
Please check out this discussion: http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Night%27s_King#UNMERGE
Promotion and Giveaway OpportunitiesEdit
I spoke with The Dragon Demands earlier this week, but he suggested I also ask for your opinion.
We are going to do a game code giveaway next week for the Telltale: Game of Thrones series. TDD said it would be cool if we switched from the 4th hub slider to the 1st for the duration of the giveaway ~6/19 and update the community message one time. Cool?
Another thing has come down the pipeline that MAY or MAY NOT actually happen, but I wanted to see if you'd be interested:
We are working with sponsors and partners to place certain content on fan communities.
This content could be, for example, trailers or behind-the-scenes videos and would live in a prominent place on all of the pages of your community. The placement is temporary (~2-4 weeks) and is only done with admin consent. This is a great way to get content that is relevant and interesting to existing fans as well as drive new fans to your Wikia community!
Here is an example of what it would look like. Its the image/banner above the slider.
Again, this isn't something we're going to do for sure, just want to know if you'd be interested.
Thanks for taking the time to get back to me,
- I agree with the first but not the second. I think its enough with the "must see videos" we have.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 02:49, June 13, 2015 (UTC)
Could you lock the Myrcella Baratheon, Stannis Baratheon, and Jon Snow pages? There's an edit war going on over whether they're dead or not that's dragging on. DRAEVAN13 12:08, June 16, 2015 (UTC)
You've been on here longer than me and been active on AWOIAF longer than I have. You recommended me for Adminship. You are senior here and I look to you for guidance now:
What are your thoughts on Season 5, specifically the final episode?
I saw Elio and Linda's video review and felt deeply upset.
I did like the Stannis/Bolton "North" storyline, even condensed...until they turned the final battle into a farce, the definition of anti-climactic.
Second...WTF that Dorne subplot? The idea was okay, sending Jaime was okay...I'm talking about severely limited screentime, badly written Sand Snakes, and badly filmed fight scenes - even badly filmed dialogue scenes.
Condensing two books into one season was madness. I'm actually usually forgiving and if this was not Benioff and Weiss's decision but forced on them due to the actor contract problems (which are now fixed)...I can forgive that. They didn't have control over that.
But as Linda said, they either 1- want to make 7 seasons so badly (because they want to leave to work on other projects?) that they knowingly compromised the material, or 2 - genuinely don't recognize that they compromised the material.
I questioned whether to even keep watching the show.
Then part of me realized that if this was the season where they combined two books into one, next season would only be about one "book" of material or so, so I might as well stick around.
These are serious problems and I now consider Season 5, while not without its moments, to be relatively below even Season 2 in overall quality.
The Dorne stuff was awful, and I think most objectively think so...largely just because it had so little time. Not even screentime, but I mean you can tell filming time: it takes time to set up camerawork for fight scenes, they didn't. It takes time to hone good dialogue for the Sand Snakes, they didn't. We know for a fact they only had one week to film in the Alcazar, and they couldn't have many extras or expansive fight scenes in it.
Dorne I think can be...maybe...partially redeemed if they suddenly write it much better next season. What he saw so far, however, was clearly the least prioritized storyline, thrown it at the last minute. Time and resources better spent on already established characters.
But Stannis...yikes. I'd even accept cutting out the Manderlys and Mormonts, the other Northern lords....but it made Stannis look pathetic, instead of a defiant 300 style charge against heavy odds...even if he lost as he did. It was the manner in which they filmed it - truly wrapped up in 2 minutes?
Why even bring so much book 6 material into a show already so condensed?
So I'm swaying back and forth; the day I saw it I thought it was irredeemable. Then the next day I said "we had bad problems in Season 2 also, but recovered". So many plotlines were condensed in "The North" (Boltons/Stannis, but also Sansa, even Brienne). This might not have been 20 episodes worth of material but it was more than 10.
So I'm really shaken and look for your more experienced opinion. What did you think of these problems with "The North" and "Dorne" storylines? Is the show overall truly that badly damaged? Do we stick with it hoping new writers take over, a Frank Darabount situation?
I don't know what the heck to think anymore. Benioff and Weiss "have some 'splaining to do" about these drastic cuts to the North/Stannis...and really, what the heck was going on with Dorne? Even in the limited physical screentime they had it could have been filmed and written better (the same story beats, I mean better dialogue).
Wow. Yet it seems everyone in the media is too excited about Jon Snow dying to notice these other major problems. I don't know.
- Truth be told the only thing I liked from the Dornish storyline is Tyene (fanservice and "bad pussy" notwithstanding). But I'm not being objective, Rosabell Laurenti Sellers is, physically speaking, "my type" of girl. Besides that I think the storyline was clumsy, forced, moronic. Nymeria was a useless caricature. Siddigh was wasted, Ellaria became a stereotype.
- As for the Northern storyline, I think Benioff and Weiss never bothered to understand Stannis. To describe him as being driven by "ambition" shows that they little to no analysis over the text. Tywin was ambitious, Stannis was driven by a zealous obsession with duty. The sacrifice of Shireen was a move by the writers to avoid hatedom from killing him.
- Truth be told the only thing I liked about this season was Arya, the High Sparrow plotline, and "Hardhome". I'm not gonna give up on the show because I'm kind of invested in it and its not like it has reached the level of suckiness of "Charmed" (which for seasons 5 and part of 6 I only watched because I enjoyed trashing the show at Television Without Pity). I do hope The Winds of Winter gets released before Season 6.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 04:41, June 18, 2015 (UTC)
Please keep an eye out for any editors who may start verbally harassing users or admins. Hatred101 is giving us trouble, and has even harassed me on my other wiki. Please promptly block anybody who fits this behavior, with no warning. Thanks. QueenBuffy 19:34, June 17, 2015 (UTC)
War of the Five Kings RE: Wildlings Edit
- They don't warrant inclusion...yet. Who knows what's happening in Season 6. Yes they connect eventually but....that entire page needs a major overall but it will be a while before I get to it; major task and I have others to get to first.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 22:24, June 23, 2015 (UTC)
Image policy Edit
I got your message about the misapplied image usage. So what would be the correct way to go about it?