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== Buffy Wiki ==
 
   
I haven't seen many active Admin's on the Buffy Wiki. Do you know of any? {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 03:29, January 3, 2013 (UTC)
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==Splitting up the creature templates==
   
:Din's Fire... but nevermind... I'll make you admin there. My Buffy Wikibreak isn't over yet. --[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 03:32, January 3, 2013 (UTC)
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I strongly feel that it is a mistake to break up the creature templates. You, I, and other regulars know how to find pages on these different topics - but a major library science principle is to remember that casual users ''do not'' even know exactly what they're looking for. Only rarely will they type a proper noun into a search engine. Thus the creature templates are a vital navigation tool, "access points" for people who are casual viewers and browsing their way through information.
   
::Awwww yay!! Thanks :) BTW, what is the license template you use for actor images? {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 03:38, January 3, 2013 (UTC) P.S. I am re-watching the entire series now with my boyfriend- we started tonight with s1 ep-1-4 so I will be editing there more often I am sure :)
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I would argue to restore it as it was (mirroring how AWOIAF has one big template for everything). At the very least, I think there should only be a division between sentient beings versus animals (of all kinds) and plants. I also don't think that the Free Folk clans template should be separate from the "peoples" template. Non-human sapient races are also a concern. I strongly feel that separating the templates will harm navigation for casual viewers.
   
==Complete Guide to Westeros==
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On a separate question...was it ever established that the [[Hill tribes]] belong under the "First Men" subdivision? I sort of ''assumed'' they may be remnants of the First Men of the Vale driven to the hills, but was their origin ever established in the books? For all we know they're part of the same Andal/First Men mix as everyone else (we've heard no mention of their religious practices, for example).--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 21:23, January 8, 2014 (UTC)
   
Your version was much closer to the original than mine, now that I know that you can do them that way the others will go faster. I thought you had to make them very different. The only apostrophe that I found that I hadn't put in was the one for "father's bed". I tried to check thoroughly, was that the only mistake? Should the photo of Theon with the direwolf have been put in the gallery rather than in the Season 1 section?[[User:Ch'vyalthan|Ch'vyalthan]] ([[User talk:Ch'vyalthan|talk]]) 05:59, January 3, 2013 (UTC)
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: I agree that I may have been a little extreme with the divisions. the truth is the only thing I found weird is having ine the same template a division of human cultures and ghost grass.
   
Yes, each Aerys should have been followed by an apostrophe. Darn, this time I really thought I had checked enough. Maybe I need to wait an hour, take a break and then reread. I'll try that. [[User:Ch'vyalthan|Ch'vyalthan]] ([[User talk:Ch'vyalthan|talk]]) 06:01, January 3, 2013 (UTC)
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: As for the Free Folk, since the Free Folk are descended of the First Men I found it weird to have them separate from the mini list that includes Northmen and Crannogmen.
   
== Buffy Wiki part deux ==
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:Perhaps we can find a middle ground: one template for human cultures and another for all living beings, including a link to a "Humans" article that gives a little overview to humans in GoT setting and links to the different cultures.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 02:42, January 9, 2014 (UTC)
   
Ok, clarify for me... give me an example what you would write past tense and what you wouldn't... lol. Sorry, I can be slow at times. And don't sell yourself short, you still register roughly around 35-40thousand views/hits a day on the wiki :) That's really good! Ok, I won't mess with the pic licensing- I may  create a generic license statement though and put it on the community page somewhere. Just so we have it somewhere as a disclaimer, in case they do ever look. {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 16:08, January 3, 2013 (UTC)
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:Regarding the Hill tribes, I think I have made the same assumption because, based on what little we know of them, their culture is more similar to that of the Free Folk and the Northern mountain clans (clan-based organization, raid-based economy, strenght-based leadership) than to the "more civilized" Andals.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 02:42, January 9, 2014 (UTC)
: Ok, I gotcha now :) Thanks. Oh, I also want you to consider making [http://buffy.wikia.com/wiki/User:OwnerMan Ownerman] an Admin. I've noticed he's made over 2,000 edits, and he really deserved it more than me. I think he could help me a lot while you are on hiatus. Just a thought :D --{{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 03:16, January 4, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
==Catagories==
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::Yeah, I originally put "Free Folk" separately in order to show its subdivisions...how best to portray the three-level subdivision of "First Men-->Free Folk-->Thenn"?
Yes, I did add some new houses to put people in the Catagories of the Houses that their information boxes said they owed alligence to. Most of these went into houses that had already been established, Stark and Lannister primarily. I think I did add three or four Houses, but then I went back and deleted two of them, because you said not to make catagories that had less than three entries. I think you mean that I didn't add them to the Houses Catagory. Thanks for the heads up, I will go and do so now.[[User:Ch'vyalthan|Ch'vyalthan]] ([[User talk:Ch'vyalthan|talk]]) 04:42, January 4, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
I agree they are pointless, that is why I do a search and see how many articles are related and would be included in the Catagory, and I deleted the ones that didn't. I'm going through the whole list of vassel houses now. About half of the house catagories are linked to the Vassel House Catagory and houses of a particular region Catagory and half aren't. I was adding the ones that weren't. I think it would probably make more sense that way. I'm probably not explaining that right.[[User:Ch'vyalthan|Ch'vyalthan]] ([[User talk:Ch'vyalthan|talk]]) 05:30, January 4, 2013 (UTC)
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::Yes, I think we should make it only two templates: one for humans, one for all animals/creatures/plants. Where do we put non-human races? I think they should be with humans - and that the divide should be based on "sapient" or not. I'm still not sure about the Hill Tribes given that we know so little about them, but I could go either way.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 02:51, January 9, 2014 (UTC)
   
I'm sorry, but I didn't catogize anyone under a name I'm just doing houses. Vassel House, House of the North, etc. what I was saying before was that instead of putting House Clegane (to use your example) into the Catagory of House Lannister, put it in the Catagory of House Clegane and then put that Catagory into the House Lannister. So when it's pressed you get all of the house articles together.[[User:Ch'vyalthan|Ch'vyalthan]] ([[User talk:Ch'vyalthan|talk]]) 05:36, January 4, 2013 (UTC)
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== Alton and Cynda Lannister ==
   
Sorry, Category. It was actually auto correcting it that way. When it auto corrects I usually trust it better than my own judgement.[[User:Ch'vyalthan|Ch'vyalthan]] ([[User talk:Ch'vyalthan|talk]]) 05:39, January 4, 2013 (UTC)
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So they are different Lannisters? who happen to share the same name with the real Lannisters? [[User:Nazul Rostello|Nazul Rostello]] ([[User talk:Nazul Rostello|talk]]) 12:50, January 15, 2014 (UTC)
   
Anyway, let me know what you think about adding the category of the house rather than the house itself. This way the article page would take you to the category of that house, and then the houses category page would take you the category page of the house it owes alligence to. What do you think?[[User:Ch'vyalthan|Ch'vyalthan]] ([[User talk:Ch'vyalthan|talk]]) 05:42, January 4, 2013 (UTC)
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==Starks to Stannis==
   
==Winterfell Shepherd==
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Why the shift from the Starks to Stannis?
I did add one line to this, about Theon giving the gold pouch to Dagmer, and I corrected it to say that they were "orphans" and that Dagmer had gone back to kill him and his "wife". And those lines were correct. I'm being more careful with grammar.
 
   
As for Cersei, I went to change it, but you had already done so. Ok, I see how the handmaiden's reference to Cersei was tangential, but Cersei's reference to Robert being an indifferent husband was relevant.[[User:Ch'vyalthan|Ch'vyalthan]] ([[User talk:Ch'vyalthan|talk]]) 17:52, January 5, 2013 (UTC)
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(I do ''really'' like Stannis, in both the books and TV series. An added bonus is that he's actually part Targaryen. When all is done I hope Daenerys leaves Shireen in charge of the Stormlands).--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 04:20, January 20, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Are you on tonight? ==
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:Because the Starks are scattered... for now.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 04:23, January 20, 2014 (UTC)
   
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::You can still defiantly make your official support for the Starks, much as Brynden Tully's garrison at Riverrun and the Blackwoods at Raventree are doing.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 04:24, January 20, 2014 (UTC)
   
I was wondering if you were familiar with templates for references? I need help on another wiki I run. I am trying to set it up so that references will show at the bottom of the page, but having major issues. Thanks :) {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 03:02, January 6, 2013 (UTC)
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==Our Wikis==
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Hello! I was wondering, if you would consider having an affiliation w each other? I am the new [http://reign.wikia.com/wiki/Reign_Wiki%7C Reign] wiki. :) I love this show so hard and would love to be added on. As you would be added to my page of course.
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--[[User:Lorisa214|~ Lorisa! ]] ([[User talk:Lorisa214|talk]]) 01:05, February 1, 2014 (UTC)
   
==In the books==
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:Administrator QueenBuffy usually handles Wikia affiliation stuff, she can help you out.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 04:09, February 1, 2014 (UTC)
   
''"The series is called ''A Song of Ice and Fire'', not "Song of Ice and Fire''... please correct your modifications"''.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 22:02, January 6, 2013 (UTC)''
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...I never saw this!! kk, thanks! :)
   
That's exactly what I'm doing. I've been changing ''incorrect'' instances of "The" to "A". Not ''once'' have I changed it to just ''"Song of Ice and Fire"''. Please be more careful in the future, as this is the second time you've accused me of something I haven't done--[[User:The Bastard of Bolton|The Bastard of Bolton]] ([[User talk:The Bastard of Bolton|talk]]) 22:12, January 6, 2013 (UTC)
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==Locations category==
   
: I know you're not making that mistake. If you understood that I'm sorry, I just wanted you to place the "A" inside the links. That's all. And thank you for improving my latest cleanup spree. Its greatly appreciated.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 22:15, January 6, 2013 (UTC)
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Things such as "Winterfell" are categorized as "Locations in the North", but currently are not put in the general category "Locations". Should such locations be in both? "Winterfell: Locations in the North, Locations"? Or, is the "Locations" category meant to be an upper-level organization of the other categories, "Locations in the North", "Locations in the Reach", etc.?--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 23:36, February 4, 2014 (UTC)
   
: I ''have'' been adding the "A" within the links in ''every'' instance that I've edited so far. And you're welcome. Of, course, I understand that honest mistakes are made.--[[User:The Bastard of Bolton|The Bastard of Bolton]] ([[User talk:The Bastard of Bolton|talk]]) 22:23, January 6, 2013 (UTC)
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:I have taken the task to add everything in "locations" as well as their respective places. I stopped because of your conversation with Werthead. We must choose between "locations" and "geography".--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 02:46, February 17, 2014 (UTC)
   
==Daenerys I Targaryen==
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Thank you for the rules. 
Thanks, I will go and leave a note about it on the other wiki.[[User:Ch'vyalthan|Ch'vyalthan]] ([[User talk:Ch'vyalthan|talk]]) 05:07, January 7, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
==Eddard and Catelyn==
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[[User:Queen of the Weirds|Queen of the Weirds]] ([[User talk:Queen of the Weirds|talk]]) 09:00, February 17, 2014 (UTC)Queen of the Weirds[[User:Queen of the Weirds|Queen of the Weirds]] ([[User talk:Queen of the Weirds|talk]]) 09:00, February 17, 2014 (UTC)
This is a work in progress; I only started writing it yesterday. I have not gotten to the point of proof-reading for commas yet. As for Brandon riding to his wedding, that is in the book, but I thought it was also in the Complete Guide to Westeros, which would make it canon. I will check. Yes, I have used the term "Crown Prince", but I will stop doing so. I am still making descisions about how much information about other characters to include. I will reread QueenBuffy's "Drogo and Daenerys" as a guide. Thank you for proofreading, I always appreciate constructive criticism.[[User:Ch'vyalthan|Ch'vyalthan]] ([[User talk:Ch'vyalthan|talk]]) 06:23, January 16, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
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==Baratheons' Targaryen relationship from Histories & Lore==
   
Thanks a lot! I'm new at the forum, and still don't know how it work...
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Ugh. Check out: [[Robert's Rebellion (Histories & Lore)]] -- Varys and Littlefinger.
   
[[Special:Contributions/189.62.23.229|189.62.23.229]] 14:01, January 17, 2013 (UTC)
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It says Robert Baratheon had Targaryen blood "through his mother."
   
==Italics==
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As I explain there, in the books Rhaelle Targaryen was his father Steffon's mother -- and Rhaelle was the sister of Jaehaerys II, cut from the show.
Ok, I'll see how the other films were put in and do it the same way. Also, there needs to be a concensous for an apostrophe on a name ending in an "s". I put in an 's and had "s" taken out as unnecessary. Then when I removed one it was put back in. I looked it up on Wikipedia and apparently even the Supreme Court can't decide if the "s" is needed after the apostrophe on a name ending in "s".[[User:Ch'vyalthan|Ch'vyalthan]] ([[User talk:Ch'vyalthan|talk]]) 04:56, January 19, 2013 (UTC)
 
:Words ending in "s" DO NOT add another possessive apostrophe-S. Never. For example, "the daughter of Stannis" is written as "Stannis' daughter", NEVER "Stannis's daughter". There is no debate.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 05:07, January 19, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
==What you want me to do==
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The other option we suspected was that the TV continuity used Steffon's blood relationship to [[Orys Baratheon]] to justify Robert's claim to the throne...though Orys was never ''officially'' acknowledged.
   
Sorry I left this message on my page, but I'm not sure you got it. Do you want me to go through the whole Mentioned Character category and remove them all from the "Image Needed" category only, or from both the "Image Needed" and "Quote Needed" categories. I will be happy to take out the ones I put in and the one others put in, as well. Please just tell me which ones.[[User:Ch'vyalthan|Ch'vyalthan]] ([[User talk:Ch'vyalthan|talk]]) 00:34, January 21, 2013 (UTC)
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At first I was frumious about this new revelation.
   
storm of swords book
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Now I'm starting to think it's not as crazy as it sounds: If they removed Jaehaerys II's generation, perhaps it was a simple matter of making Robert's ''mother'' a Targaryen, instead of his ''grandmother''.
compilation
 
   
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In which case Cassana Baratheon gets retconned out of existence (not that it matters much, she died in the shipwreck with Steffon long ago).
   
'''== I'm sorry. Spoilers from the novels,
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Nonetheless we're still not sure exactly how Robert's Targaryen mother would fit into the family tree: Aegon V's sister? TV-Aegon V's daughter, and thus sister to the Mad King?
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==Quotes==
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This was probably the biggest info to come out of the Histories & Lore Season 3 (well that, and I think Joffrey sort of implied that he raped Tommen).--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 16:15, February 19, 2014 (UTC)
I had that quote for Armeca so I added it in when I put took her out of the quote needed category. I have other quotes, but I'll wait until I finish and go back and add those in. [[User:Ch'vyalthan|Ch'vyalthan]] ([[User talk:Ch'vyalthan|talk]]) 02:49, January 21, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
I think I've taken all the only mentioned characters out. I still think that a house sigil would be better than nothing. That's how it's done on the Family Trees on the major character pages. It would make the Characters category pages look better.
 
   
I checked for quotes, but didn't find many where a quote was put in, but the "Quote Needed" category hadn't been removed. I found a lot more characters that had spoken in the show, but didn't have quotes and weren't in the "Quote Needed" category. I didn't add them; I just made a list. I wasn't sure what the reaction would be if I started adding more people in than I was taking out. However, I'll be getting quotes for them or at least trying to in the next few days. [[User:Ch'vyalthan|Ch'vyalthan]] ([[User talk:Ch'vyalthan|talk]]) 10:50, January 21, 2013 (UTC)
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Orys having Targaryen blood was implied in the "House Baratheon" featurette. The new "Through his mother" doesn't neccessarily imply Robert's mother was Rhaelle, only that his mother had Targaryen blood. As for Tommen I don't think Joffrey raped him but still subjected him to physical abuse.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 18:22, February 19, 2014 (UTC)
   
:"Quote needed" isn't so bad as "Image needed", as theoretically, any character mentioned or referred to in dialogue can have a quote attributed to them. Things like "Luthor Tyrell", however, which you added "Quote Needed" to, SHOULD NOT AND CANNOT have a quote, because they're only known of from family trees. "Quote Needed" can broadly be used for anything mentioned in actual, on-screen dialogue, even by other people.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 15:57, January 21, 2013 (UTC)
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Well, Orys becomes a moot point if they say his mother had Targaryen blood. But if she wasn't Rhaelle, who was she? A new composite character?--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 18:32, February 19, 2014 (UTC)
   
I did not put "Luthor Tyrell" in the "Quote Needed" category, I only put him in the "Image Needed" category, and then took him out. I still think there could be the image of the House Sigil as there is in the Family Trees. It would make the Characters category page look better. I went through every character and there were only a couple of things I found that I had done wrong, such as putting Mace Tyrell in the "Quote Needed" category. He was one of only two season 3 people that already had a quote. I did find several people who had been given quotes, but had not then been removed from the category, and I took them out. I did find a couple of others not in a category they should have been in like the Lord of Bones. I also removed the image and quote needed categories that other people had put in, for characters only written about in books. I removed everyone who was only mentioned that I had added to the "Quote Needed" and "Image Needed" categories, as I had been instructed to do. I never added anyone who was only written about in a book to the "Quote Needed" category. I found lots of characters who actually spoke during the show or were spoken about who did not have quotes. I didn't add in more people to "Quote Needed", because of all the fuss, but I made a list and will try to get the quotes. If I can't find them or can't make out what they are saying or just get tired, I'll add them into the category and let someone else take a shot at it. About the Aggo page, I did catch that Rakharo was spelled with an "h" and thought I had changed it, but apparently something happened as it didn't publish the correction. Thanks for catching that. [[User:Ch'vyalthan|Ch'vyalthan]] ([[User talk:Ch'vyalthan|talk]]) 21:15, January 21, 2013 (UTC)
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:Occam's Razor: Cassana Baratheon had some Targaryen blood.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 18:42, February 19, 2014 (UTC)
   
Thos charactes don't require sigil images on the infoboxes because they already have sigils by their names--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User
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::Sorry I haven't been able to help out with the Season 3 Histories & Lore as much as I wanted -- once again, my ongoing work on my thesis is in ''very'' bad shape and eating up most of my time. I can only pop in for some of the major stuff, not thoroughly combing through everything. If I don't finish this and my language comps by May I'm not going to get my degree.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 16:49, February 23, 2014 (UTC)
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==Valyria==
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==​Targaryen Kings==
   
We need to differentiate articles with "Valyria" in the title, however I think having a disambiguation page (as the default link) isn't really necessary. What I think we should do is have "Valyria" redirect automatically to "Valyrian Freehold", as this is what is usually meant. A link to a disambiguation page can go on the top of this. Meanwhile, I think we should retitle the article on the specific capital city to "Old Valyria", to keep the titles distinct (and not without justification, as they've called it that at times). Other things aren't so ambiguous; "Valyrian peninsula", "Valyrian steel", and "the Doom of Valyria" won't really be confused with the ancient empire, though I would put them in the disambiguation page as "Valyria related topics".--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 01:55, January 22, 2013 (UTC)
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Hey, could you please read my blog post with the image of the Targaryen kings and tell me what you think? Much appreciated. [[User: Greater good|Greater Good]] 14:37, February 20, 2014 (UTC)
   
==Smallfolk==
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== Garden of Bones ==
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I'm concerned that someone has added information to the plot summary of [[Garden of Bones]] that does not happen in the episode. In describing the scene where Joffrey orders Ros to beat the prostitute, someone wrote: "While clearly remorseful for the girls' injuries, Tyrion refuses to let Joffrey bully him or others around." No such event occurs in the episode. In 2013 another IP actually removed a similar statement, but then someone put it back. Summaries should accurately describe the episode as broadcast, otherwise it harms the reliability of the wiki. It's possible there might be a deleted or extended scene - or perhaps the incident is referenced in a later episode where such a scene occurs - but I just watched the episode and it isn't in there. Anyway, I wanted to give you the heads up because if someone is adding either false info, or injecting info from future episodes (or perhaps even the books) that's probably a no-no. [[Special:Contributions/68.146.70.124|68.146.70.124]] 15:50, February 21, 2014 (UTC)
   
I think soldiers should be in a separate category from smallfolk. Well, "Palla" is a smallfolk living in Winterfell, but actual guardsmen like Polliver should be in a "soldiers" category.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 05:11, January 22, 2013 (UTC)
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:...that isn't "vandalism", that's just "opinionated and skewed interpretation". It happens literally every day on wikis. Literally every hour, really. That's the constant struggle to maintain quality. Generically, yes, we know we need quality control checks on past episode reviews, but there is much work to do. Thank you for removing it though, it was not a good interpretation of what happened. If you want to actively help you should probably make a free account to help out.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 16:47, February 23, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Can I edit ==
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== Wikia Game of Thrones Review Videos ==
   
I was trying to edit and it won't let me. It is just like when I first joined and it would only let me edit in monobook. I edited War of Five King's. There were a lot of mistakes and I corrected them. Now it won't even let me check the edit history. I was working now on changing the word Harrenhall to Harrenhal . There is one in the "in the book" section of Old Gods and the New, but it won't let me change it. Am I not allowed to edit while my case is under review, because I need to rewrite my article that's in my sandbox. What about making a blog. Is that OK? [[User:Ch'vyalthan|Ch'vyalthan]] ([[User talk:Ch'vyalthan|talk]]) 13:03, January 23, 2013 (UTC)
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Hi! I work in marketing for Wikia -- highlighting cool things that our communities are doing around anticipated entertainment. 
   
It is terribly frustrating having to work in monobook. Please let me know the rules about whether I am allowed to edit.[[User:Ch'vyalthan|Ch'vyalthan]] ([[User talk:Ch'vyalthan|talk]]) 13:13, January 23, (UTC)
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We've got something fun planned around the return of Game of Thrones and I wondered if you might want to be a part of it. We're producing a short video each week that contrasts fan reactions to the series with a TV critic's reaction -- the idea is to capture the enthusiasm of the community here, and have a little fun back and forth.
   
P.s. I had an idea that I told Dragon the other day. Can we get quotations for mentioned only in book sources characters out of A Complete Guide to Westeros? We do use it as canon for background information.[[User:Ch'vyalthan|Ch'vyalthan]] ([[User talk:Ch'vyalthan|talk]]) 13:15, January 23, 2013 (UTC)
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I can give ya more details! If this sounds like something you might be interested in, give me a shout on my wall or email brian@wikia-inc.com. Thanks! [[User:Brian_Linder|<font color="Blue">Brian</font>]]<staff /> 15:18, February 28, 2014 (UTC)
   
It's letting me edit again in wikia. If I can't edit I need to upload that list of all the characters that spoke or were spoken about into the "Quote Needed" category so someone else can do it[[User:Ch&#39;vyalthan|Ch&#39;vyalthan]] ([[User talk:Ch&#39;vyalthan|talk]]) 13:37, January 23, 2013 (UTC)
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:Hi Brian. I'm quite busy these months so I can't commit to this. Besides, these marketing Wikia things are QueenBuffy's territory.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 19:22, February 28, 2014 (UTC)
   
==War of Five Kings==
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==Jaime sends his regards==
Usually I never comment or question a revision by an admin, but my revision of War of Five King's was not a bad one. The word strength was misspelled twice in that article. It said that Stannis and Renly have "raise" their own armies instead of "raised". It didn't mention that Eddard had been named regent before being charged with treason. It said the Lannister forces "has" responded instead of "have". The name Greyjoy was misspelled. It said "on" the wake of Eddard's execution instead of "in" the wake. Your revision put all of these errors back into the article. These were actually things that were wrong that I corrected. [[User:Ch&#39;vyalthan|Ch&#39;vyalthan]] ([[User talk:Ch&#39;vyalthan|talk]]) 13:53, January 23, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
I edited War of Five King's again. Please, please read it and you will see that my edits are good.[[User:Ch&#39;vyalthan|Ch&#39;vyalthan]] ([[User talk:Ch&#39;vyalthan|talk]]) 14:21, January 23, 2013 (UTC)
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The actors were confused about that line? When did they explain this, in the Blu-ray commentary? What exactly was said?--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 21:39, March 5, 2014 (UTC)
   
==Quotes==
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:In the bluray extras about "The Rains of Castamere" they explain that the scripts originally said "Jaime Lannister sends his regards" and even Nikolaj was confused and asked if Jaime really was part of the conspiracy.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 22:02, March 5, 2014 (UTC)
I was going to continue with finding quotations, but then I realized that I may not be here in a week, and I have to wrap up all of my loose ends, just in case. I have this list of people that quotes exist for who still need them, but as I can't do it, I'll have to add them to the "Quote Needed" category. They have been checked, but I will go through and double check to be sure that they speak or are spoken about and do not currently have posted quotes. In fact I'll probably recheck the whole thing just to be sure. I'll make a note to Dragon so he doesn't think I've gone "insane" again. I like to visit actors Wikipedia pages, and, when I find a fact that is new, I jot it on a list. I have two loose leaf pages of notes. I have to input this stuff if a time is coming when I can't, so I'll have to stop looking for quotes, for now at least. I think quotes would be a good idea on every page, not just characters, but castles, cities objects etc. If it is decided that we can use The Complete Guide to Westeros for quotes, it would give us quotes for lots of people, institutions, events, eras, etc. It would make the wiki look really polished. I will check in with you before starting anything major.[[User:Ch&#39;vyalthan|Ch&#39;vyalthan]] ([[User talk:Ch&#39;vyalthan|talk]]) 16:54, January 23, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
==Unnamed==
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==Brackets for Dead characters warning template==
This is nearly empty. If it is a valid category, I'll add to it, if not I'll empty it so it disappears.[[User:Ch&#39;vyalthan|Ch&#39;vyalthan]] ([[User talk:Ch&#39;vyalthan|talk]]) 23:39, January 23, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
I've gone through the Characters category so often I'm seeing these people in my sleep. Hot pie and the Tickler are names, so I didn't include them in with the unnamed. I asked this once before, are the animals characters? The Three-eyed raven is in Characters, but the wolves aren't. The wolves have more right to be so, if they aren't, then the raven has to come out.[[User:Ch&#39;vyalthan|Ch&#39;vyalthan]] ([[User talk:Ch&#39;vyalthan|talk]]) 01:35, January 24, 2013 (UTC)
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This has been happening frequently enough that I put together a quick template warning, so we don't have to waste time writing up individual explanations each time this happens: http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Template:BracketsSignifyDeadCharacters
   
==Quotations around episodes==
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I based it on the last warning you gave.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 15:39, March 14, 2014 (UTC)
One of the things Dragon says I did consistently wrong was putting quotations around episodes. There are quotations around episodes throughout this wiki. In picture descriptions, in info boxes, in galleries, and even in references. I see them everywhere. I was going to start making the effort to remove them, but I'm not sure where to even start. Any advice?[[User:Ch&#39;vyalthan|Ch&#39;vyalthan]] ([[User talk:Ch&#39;vyalthan|talk]]) 06:23, January 24, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
P.s. I started doing searches on misspelled stuff and I've been able to find and remove a lot of weird stuff: Danerys, Barratheon, Mamoa, etc. Kit Harington's info box had the title "Kit Harrington".
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:I agree. It will save us some time.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 15:45, March 14, 2014 (UTC)
   
When I'm less tired, I need to go through all the minor characters next as there are several uncredited extras in there who I think should be in the background category instead. Which leads to another question. There are several uncredited extras who are described as reoccurring background characters. Are they background characters or reoccurring characters? Or are they both? [[User:Ch&#39;vyalthan|Ch&#39;vyalthan]] ([[User talk:Ch&#39;vyalthan|talk]]) 06:27, January 24, 2013 (UTC)
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==Redwyne and Renly==
   
==Progress==
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Please give a quote for what the Season 2 Blu-ray says about House Redwyne: [http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/House_Redwyne?curid=4233&diff=115857&oldid=115233] --[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 23:24, March 12, 2014 (UTC)
I think I've got the characters in the right categories, and I've burned through one page of my actor notes. Just to check before I do some thing, actors have a star category, but no categories for the others: minor characters and extras. I was going to make those. I have so much practice now that it shouldn't take that long. Also, I never got an answer on my question of the idea of getting quotes from The Complete Guide to Westeros. To clarify, I'm not going to do it, I was just asking if it was a possibility. I think it would be nice if every page started with a quote, as it really improves the appearance of the page. Have to go. iPad needs recharging. Still looking out for quotations around episodes, those really are everywhere. It will be a massive job to remove them all.[[User:Ch&#39;vyalthan|Ch&#39;vyalthan]] ([[User talk:Ch&#39;vyalthan|talk]]) 23:07, January 24, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
Sorry, no more incidentals. Can I put in those actor categories when I come back?[[User:Ch&#39;vyalthan|Ch&#39;vyalthan]] ([[User talk:Ch&#39;vyalthan|talk]]) 23:17, January 24, 2013 (UTC)
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:There are no quotes about House Redwyne whatsoever.--Gonzalo84
   
*First, yes, for future reference for other editors, I think the Complete Guide to Westeros is a good source of quotes, albeit, ones from the actual TV series are preferable - i.e. quotes about Ned Stark should be from the TV series, but if there is no other quote for "Valyria" etc., we'll use the Complete Guide as a second best. The idea being that not everyone bought the Blu Ray box or viewed the Complete Guide on youtube or whatever; we need to be geared towards casual viewers strictly watching only the 10 aired episodes. I didn't point this out sooner...because I don't want to encourage you to contribute to this wiki in any way whatsoever.
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But your edit I linked says:
*Second, Gonzalo84 already told you to stop making hour by hour "progress reports" touting how much wonderful work you've done...and instead, you might try doing "actual work".
 
*Third, do you comprehend that there's a formal vote to have you banned from this wiki? What ''purpose'' is served by launching into a binge of work which you cannot possibly finish before next Tuesday when the final decision is made? Are you trying to finish all of this before next Tuesday, in the hopes that this will "sway our opinion" with your wonderful work? You're a walking disaster area and this wiki will only get back on track once you are removed.
 
*Fourth, as I said on your own talk page....THESE were your character notes? Things you read off IMDB and Wikipedia? ANYONE could have done that.
 
*Fifth, my heart leaps for joy inside whenever you announce that "my iPad needs recharging" because it means we get a few hours without the distraction of your editing. That, and you're still buffoonish enough to keep pleading "but I'm using an iPad!" as an excuse for either not loading images, or, stopping needed editing half-finished because you're out of charge. These are "explanations" but not "excuses" ...in much the same sense that "I am lazy" would technically be an "explanation" but not an "excuse". Seriously....do you think this wiki is about a TV series, and its thousands of viewers...or about ''you''? WE DON'T CARE WHY YOU'RE TURNING IN BAD WORK, only that you are. Think objectively. Your personal reasons for being physically unable to contribute as well as any other user SHOULD NOT AFFECT US. There isn't some online anti-discrimination law against that....again, if someone came on here and said "I can only use a computer with a keyboard that has all the vowel-keys removed from the keyboard"...THAT WOULD NOT BE A LEGITIMATE EXCUSE. So why should we care if you have an iPad, or if you're banging two rocks together? All that matters is you're turning in bad work.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 23:30, January 24, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
==Major Characters==
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''"Unlike what's stated by the Season 2 bluray, in the books House Redwyne doesn't declare for Renly during the early stages of the [[War of the Five Kings]] because Queen [[Cersei Lannister]] holds the twin sons of Lord Paxter hostage. They do join their Tyrell liege lords in aiding the Lannister army in the [[Battle of the Blackwater]]."''
I didn't put Ygritte in minor characters, she was already there. I made her character supporting because of that. Talisa wasn't listed in either major or minor, but if Ygritte was minor having more screen time. I'll change them.[[User:Ch&#39;vyalthan|Ch&#39;vyalthan]] ([[User talk:Ch&#39;vyalthan|talk]]) 05:45, January 25, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
I am consulting the list on every character. Ygritte was listed as minor and Talisa wasn't there at all. I agree with you that it was something neglected some where along the line, but we caught it now. That's good. I'll change it.[[User:Ch&#39;vyalthan|Ch&#39;vyalthan]] ([[User talk:Ch&#39;vyalthan|talk]]) 05:48, January 25, 2013 (UTC)
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--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 13:40, March 14, 2014 (UTC)
   
==Actors==
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Oh, about that. The bluray shows the Redwyne sigils as Renly's supporters in the War of the Five Kings special feature.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 13:56, March 14, 2014 (UTC)
It will work with the categories you suggested. Starring cast, supporting cast, minor roles. I can fix it. [[User:Ch&#39;vyalthan|Ch&#39;vyalthan]] ([[User talk:Ch&#39;vyalthan|talk]]) 09:13, January 25, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
I had to fix this. I had a stomach ache and couldn't sleep until I did it. I put in the categories you said, except I used "Supporting Role" instead of "Supporting Cast", because I already had a bunch of people in there. I don't plan on making any more categories, I'll just put people into existing ones, but I had to fix this. I found a photo on Aimee Richardson's IMD'b entry. It's of Myrcella and Tommen looking in horror at something during the Hand's Tournament (Ser Hugh or Clegane's horse probably). I dont think it's on the wiki yet. I did good work today. I corrected several wrong facts, one in Fire and Blood that Ser Ilyn was the one that held up Eddard's head, and I added the reference list to Wolf and the Lion. And even though I started out doing the Actor categories wrong, I did fix them, and they exist now. [[User:Ch&#39;vyalthan|Ch&#39;vyalthan]] ([[User talk:Ch&#39;vyalthan|talk]]) 11:48, January 25, 2013 (UTC)
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==Pleasure House==
   
==Re: Moving up banning timeline==
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The term "pleasure house" has been used on the TV series, but I think it might be better to merge it into the "prostitution" article with a redirect. Also, do they only call them "pleasure houses" in Essos? I thought Westeros had "brothels".--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 20:47, March 14, 2014 (UTC)
   
There wouldn't be much point in waiting until Tuesday, ''except'', that the other admins haven't commented yet. You already got The Bastard of Bolton's attention, but as for Admins, I've left notes for Werthead and QueenBuffy, they should get back to that in a day or two. (I also left a note for OPark77, but he's been on break from the wiki since November, so if the other three people weigh in but he hasn't, we probably shouldn't wait for him). But we at least need QueenBuffy and Werthead to weight in; this can't look like an "unfair" snap judgement done in a fit of pique. We can't have him running around saying we're unfair bullys. Rather, solemnly evaluating his record, he has to be formally rejected by this wiki's contributors.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 19:13, January 25, 2013 (UTC)
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: I wasn't sure that they were called "pleasure houses" excluvisely in Essos. I created the Pleasure house article because of its association with slavery more than the "free women" in the brothels of Westeros.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 21:36, March 14, 2014 (UTC)
   
:Indeed, that is the very reason why I didn't outright ban him.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 19:21, January 25, 2013 (UTC)
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==Culture infobox==
   
:Were the decision mine (which it is not), I think that the "Eddard and Catelyn" article which Ch'Vyalthan has been working on for the past few weeks should be '''deleted out of hand'''; it would be easier to restart from scratch at a later date than put up with his nonsense. It would be a final proclamation that his work truly was useless. Moreover, he seems to be treating it as a parting shot to the wiki: "haha, you're banning me but I'm still determined to get that Eddard and Catelyn article uploaded" - working away at it for 22 hours straight even when he knows he's being banned. Destroy all Ch'Vyalthan touched.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 23:29, January 25, 2013 (UTC)
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On the culture infobox, some are "feudal-based" (Northerners, Andals, Dornish, ironborn) while others are clan-based (Hill-tribes). What should we do for some groups who are technically clan-based, but who use "House" designations as a formality? The Northern hill tribes haven't been introduced yet, but the book makes it a point that while they're more "clans" than "Houses", they're "civilized" and function as miniature Houses, treated with respect by being called "House Norrey" to be polite, etc. For the moment, we do have a similar problem with the Crannogmen: they live as basically clans, and hunt instead of farming, but they are formally organized and recognized as "Houses".--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 21:10, March 14, 2014 (UTC)
   
::According to the [http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Log/block Block Log], Ch'Vyalthan still has a ban with "with an expiry time of 1 year", and not permanent. Is it actually permanent?--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 16:01, February 5, 2013 (UTC)
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I think they should remain in "clan-based" as well.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 21:39, March 14, 2014 (UTC)
   
:::Ah, good then. It is officially a permanent ban. And if for some reason due to wiki mechanics only setting one year bans at maximum (I'm not sure on that), even if he comes back in a year we just automatically re-apply the ban.
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:I think that, specifically for the crannogmen now but later the Northern hill tribes, we should list them as "clan-based" but in the article mention that "they're clan-based but are extended the dignity of being called Houses".--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 01:25, March 15, 2014 (UTC)
:::It is done then. In which case: Heads, spikes, walls.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 21:21, February 5, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
==Bolton Template==
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==R'hllor typo in "The Climb"==
I edited the Bolton template, removing Ramsay Snow as the heir, but now it simply says "{{{heir}}}" on the template, but when I go to edit it again, there is now "heir" in the edit page. Did I do something wrong? [[User:Draevan13|<font face="" color="#000000">'''DRAEVAN13'''</font>]][[File:Targaryen.JPG|26px|link=User talk:Draevan13]] 00:50, January 30, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
==Kovarro==
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Did the Blu-ray release fix that typo in the subtitles for "The Climb" which misspelled the FIRST AND ONLY TIME that R'hllor has appeared on-screen?--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 19:05, March 15, 2014 (UTC)
   
Hey, can you change something on AWOIAF? I don't have an account there. I need you to remove Kovarro from the "characters only in the TV series" category. As explained in the "in the books" section on Kovarro, he's not so much "new" as "renamed"; apparently because they thought "Jhago" sounded too much like "Khal Jhaqo", they renamed it "Kovarro"...and then switched the names and descriptions of Rakharo and Jhago/Kovarro. Thus while the book Jhago is younger and skilled with a whip, and book Rakharo is slightly older and skilled with a sword, "TV-Rakharo" is younger and skilled with a whip, and "TV-Jhago" (Kovarro) is slightly older and skilled with a sword. He's not really a "new" character, anymore than "Yara Greyjoy" was.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 03:11, January 31, 2013 (UTC)
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:Haven't bought the bluray yet.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 05:13, March 17, 2014 (UTC)
:Well yes he's more of an expy, but even the AWOIAF page interlinks by saying that "Rakharo in the TV series seems to be based on Jhago".--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 12:23, January 31, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
==Summer Islands and Sothoroys==
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==Back from Thesis==
At the moment we have no confirmation that the Viewer's Guide map will be updated. Given that Dany has already reached the eastern-most-part of her journey (at Qarth, according to GRRM) and S3 will be spent in areas on the existing map, HBO may choose not to bother. In that case the TV show and books will simply have different maps, with Great Moraq and other places simply not existing in the TV show version of the world. Once S3 starts we should know for sure, and should hold fire on adding any Land of Ice and Fire locations until then (and then only what are shown on the TV show's map). --[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] ([[User talk:Werthead|talk]]) 12:59, February 2, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Permanent banning ==
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I stopped regularly editing about two weeks ago on February 14th to finally finish my thesis. I'll be catching up in the next few hours.
   
Hi Gonzalo. Regarding your message to The Dragon Demands - to permanently ban someone from a wiki, you select "other time period" from the drop-down menu, and write "infinite" in the box below. Hope that helps.--[[File:The Boy Who Cried Direwolf white.png|250px|link=User:The Boy Who Cried Direwolf]][[File:Direwolf sig.png|40px|link=User talk:The Boy Who Cried Direwolf]] 11:11, February 6, 2013 (UTC)
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While I still have language comp tests, my thesis is ''finished'' - no more being driven crazy by it. More on this later.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 00:27, March 10, 2014 (UTC)
   
:Thanks man.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 15:30, February 6, 2013 (UTC)
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== Misbehaving templates ==
   
== Hi! ==
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Sorry it's taken me a while to get around to this; I've sent a report to Wikia's maintenance team, so we should get a diagnosis and hopefully a solution in the next few days.--{{The Boy Who Cried Direwolf/signiture}} 12:24, March 18, 2014 (UTC)
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:It's been going on for weeks and even Wikipedia.org is having problems; but nothing will happen if we don't complain.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 18:15, March 18, 2014 (UTC)
   
Hello, I am Daniel, I come from Merlin Wiki and as that show as ended I began watching Game of Thrones after my friends convinced him to and I could not have regretted it less! I have been hooked and now have to go through torture waiting for Season 3! ;) It is an amazing show, best TV show I've watched, it is so unique and original. This Wiki too is good but there is just one thing I must protest about, and that is the background for the form on the edit menu. I know I could easily edit this out in my personal CSS/JS, but it really is very difficult to read the text on top of it. Could you at least lighten it, or put a coating of colour or something over it? It doesn't even match the background, I can what it's getting at and the concept is nice, but it is an eyesore with the text on top!
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=="Southerner"==
   
Also have you considered more customisation and JS featyres for your Wiki, such as custom skins for your buttons and toolbars, a "jump to top" button (this can all be found on the developer Wiki), an auto-refresh for your Wiki activity.. just to list a few. I hope to talk again! 
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I don't think we should use "Southerner" as an official term too much, specifically not in infoboxes. As the article explains, it's actually a fairly vague term, sometimes just meaning "not Northmen" (including Ironborn?); very loosely, "Southerner" can even apply to Dorne. So I think it is better to list people like Tywin Lannister or Catelyn Stark as "Andal" (yes they have some First Men blood, but they're mostly Andal, culturally Andal).
   
Daniel
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What culture do we put down for House Blackwood? They do...behave, as Andals.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 19:29, March 18, 2014 (UTC)
   
==Hello==
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You're right... Andal may be more fitting. As for the Blackwoods they can remain Andals.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 19:45, March 18, 2014 (UTC)
   
thnx for the warm welcome and the explanations given.
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==Stark children religion==
   
This wiki looks great!
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What should we put down for the Stark children under the "religion" spot in their infoboxes? It was an interfaith family. Jon Snow specifically said he follows the Old Gods - probably given that he was influenced by Eddard but Catelyn had nothing to do with him. Bran...apparently, just worships the Old Gods, also strongly influenced by his father? And Rickon was influenced by Bran more than Catelyn before she left. Arya of course has the God of Death thing going on, but we have that covered.
   
[[User:MIGR|MIGR]] ([[User talk:MIGR|talk]]) 09:13, February 20, 2013 (UTC)
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I sort of got the feeling that the girls were more influenced by Catelyn than the boys were. In any case, in the books, what was the religion of Robb and Sansa? Robb seemed more Old Gods like his father - yeah the TV show cheated a bit by having him married by a Septon, but Cogman's rationalization made enough sense; he was raised in an interfaith household, fairly open to both, he might have just liked the ceremony or no one else was available. Sansa is a bigger concern: very much her mother's daughter, does she pray to the Old Gods at all? I mean I know she goes to a godswood to pray at times but that might just have been an excuse to get away from everyone.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 15:13, March 19, 2014 (UTC)
   
==House navboxes==
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: In the books Sansa finds solace in the Old Gods as a way to reconect with her dead father, and because the godswood is mostly empty. The closest we've got in the series is when she's praying by the tree stump and she's approached by Margaery, but we don't know if that's the Red Keep's godswood. --[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 22:16, March 19, 2014 (UTC)
   
Shouldn't Great Houses like the Starks or Lannisters have their own current House navbox at the bottom of the page, for ease of navigation?--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 17:24, February 23, 2013 (UTC)
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==Peoples template==
:Wait, I see: yes the bottom half about "Sworn Houses" becomes redundant, but the stuff about family, heirs, and titles is still needed; we should keep the "Stark navbox" etc. while removing the redundant info.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 17:28, February 23, 2013 (UTC)
 
::I agree. I'll modify the infoboxes.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 18:10, February 23, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::Thank you.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 18:13, February 23, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Vandals and Layout ==
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http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Peoples
   
Dragon Demands has been promoted. We had a significant vandal attack yesterday, but fortunately I was online at the time and able to stop it in its tracks, so yes, this is going to be a problem. I don't really see any option other than to clean up and lock any articles that are targetted in particular. As for the background, I agree but it's going to be difficult to find a good way of using the new S3 artwork on the wiki. Some of the American newspapers are using a version where the shadow of the dragon falls across the text of their actual articles, but I'm not sure if that would work here, or if it would look too weird if it did (plus it would mean changing the colour scheme of the whole wiki).--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] ([[User talk:Werthead|talk]]) 15:09, February 26, 2013 (UTC)
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I'm straightening up the Essos section; I added a subheader about the Free Cities.
: Wikia Staff is going to create a new layout for us. :) {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 18:10, February 26, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
==Colour scheme==
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How should we handle the rest? Particularly the Rhoynar and Valyrians? I'm not sure if we should say they're "extinct" or something...the Rhoynar survived as the Dornish, and the modern Free Cities do have Valyrian blood in them (thinned out, but particularly Lys and the aristocracy of Volantis) and also the Targaryens.
I like the backdrop, but it isn't meshing well with the wiki colour scheme. Ironically, the new colour scheme we've just adopted on the I&F Wikia actually might be a better match for this background. Otherwise perhaps increasing transparency, so the dragon shadow is more visible? At the moment it looks a bit odd.--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] ([[User talk:Werthead|talk]]) 20:56, February 27, 2013 (UTC)
 
:Yes, I agree the image needs to be a tad bit smaller so that we can make out that the shadow is indeed a dragon. Also, the section headings are still red/gold...as well as the visual box is still showing the crown. I will message the Joe from Wikia about it. :) {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 22:01, February 27, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Stannis ==
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Also, should we make a division between "Central Essos" and "Eastern Essos" (Qarth and Asshai) or would this make the template needlessly complicated and long?
   
Great! I will check on it, if you haven't already. {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 02:00, March 3, 2013 (UTC)
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Most importantly, how are we handling the article on "[[Ghiscari]]"? Is this about the ancient "Ghiscari" of the old Ghiscari Empire, or about the peoples of Slaver's Bay in the present? (much as "Rhoynar" and "Dornish" are two separate things).--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 19:25, March 19, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Stannis Image ==
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:Unlike Rhoynar and Dornish, there is only one name for both ancient Ghiscari and modern Ghiscari, so the "Ghiscari" article should include both peoples, the "pure" Ghiscari of the "Old Empire" and the mongrel Ghiscari of modern Slaver's Bay and New Ghis.
   
I think I'm going to wait and see what HBO releases as it's newest still of Stannis. The screencap you uploaded seemed a bit green in hue/tint. :) There's no rush. {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 19:43, March 4, 2013 (UTC)
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The show won't cover much of the eastern Essos, I don't think we'll ever see Asshai or Yi Ti, and the show hasn't even mentioned their people the way the novels did, so I think we shouldn't do much divisions.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 21:38, March 19, 2014 (UTC)
   
==Contest==
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==Bethany Ryswell and Bolton family tree==
I wanted to let you (and the other admins) know that the [[User_blog:Porterfield/Create_Your_House|Create Your House]] contest is currently live. I am going to put a link to it in the main page slider (hope you don't mind). I will keep you guys updated on judging and prizes.
 
   
Also, speaking of slider, there is currently a link to Westeros.org. Would you mind if we change that link to go to Wikia's A Song of Ice and Fire Wiki? Let me know and thank you. '''<span style="background:#fff;color:White">&nbsp;[[User:Porterfield|<font color="Black">PORTERFIELD </font>]]<staff/>&nbsp;</span>''' 02:23, March 5, 2013 (UTC)
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I want to remake the Bolton family tree to resemble the one on AWOIAF (removing the unnamed miller's wife) - to include Bethany Ryswell. I'm fairly certain that Season 4 will eventually explain who Domeric Bolton was and that his mother was Bethany Ryswell, and we have heard mention of Domeric -- but at this point there's been no in-universe material about it, so would it be getting ahead of ourselves to update the family tree just now? Maybe we should wait until an episode mentions it?--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 17:02, March 20, 2014 (UTC)
   
:We would vehemently mind. The entire ''point'' of Game of Thrones wiki is that the ''A Wiki of Ice and fire'' crowd from Westeros.or co-opted THE wiki about the TV show before it even started, leaving the pissant Wikia A Song of Ice and Fire wiki to wither on the vine. No, do not change the links. Burden not Columbia with your chaff.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 19:01, March 5, 2013 (UTC)
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:I think we should add Domeric, with his mother being referred to as "Lady Bolton (Deceased)".--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 17:16, March 20, 2014 (UTC)
   
== User name ==
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== Progress ==
   
I have to say, I'm a little offended by user [[User:Taint Maggot|Taint Maggot's]] name. What do you think we could do about this, if anything? {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 07:30, March 7, 2013 (UTC)
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Okay, I've made some progress with investigating the issue with the family tree templates; apparently it's nothing to do with Wikia, but is being caused by Google Chrome itself! I've checked the pages in Firefox, and they work fine, so that does indeed seem to be the case. The technician I spoke to from Wikia said that the guys on the Fallout Wiki experienced the same problem, and liaised with Google to fix it, so it looks like we're going to have to do that. They're still working on fixing the title blacklist for us.--{{The Boy Who Cried Direwolf/signiture}} 21:22, March 20, 2014 (UTC)
   
:I don't know... how did we get "The Bastard of Bolton" to change his name and become "The Boy Who..."--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 15:14, March 7, 2013 (UTC)
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The weird thing is that some trees look good... like the House Stark one
::I think the staff came to him. I will bring this to them however. It's quite the vile name. Thank you. {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 15:37, March 7, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Name... ==
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Oh, I didn't realise that the Jon Connington article was written by Greater good; an admin. The title blacklist doesn't prevent admins for creating pages, just regular users. That being said, there shouldn't be anything wrong with it. I'll be contacting the Fallout Wiki admins later today to find out how they fixed their rogue templates.--{{The Boy Who Cried Direwolf/signiture}} 10:55, March 23, 2014 (UTC)
   
I'd prefer to meet you in chat and tell you there, if that's ok? {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 19:28, March 7, 2013 (UTC)
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== Edit Reverted ==
   
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Why did you undo my edit on all the pages I edited? That corrected a sentences and added more information? In addition, you gave no reason for that what so ever. It's very frustrating to have all of your work undone and not even get proper reason for why. So, if you could tell me that would be great. [[User:Zippertrain85|Zippertrain85]] ([[User talk:Zippertrain85|talk]]) 15:26, March 21, 2014 (UTC)
   
   
"I'm sure I am missing something because of the whole "not native english-speaker" thing, but I'd like to understand the offensive thing about Maggot's username. Is it a slur?[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 19:11, March 7, 2013 (UTC)"
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'More' information sometimes is not necessary. I followed the old saying: "if it ain't broken, don't fix it.
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* Theon: redundant. And mentioning the castration way ahead of time alters the mood of the summary, that should go from the 'generic' torture, then the mind games, then more mind games, the castration, and the renaming into 'Reek'.
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*House Targaryen: If we place "unknown" in the founder section we should add 'unknown' to each article on a house without known founder. Its moot and, again, redundant. You also made a change so 'the East' became 'the Essos'
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*If you see, we try to avoid the term 'Humans' because its never used in the show.
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*In 'Mhysa', to be honest I undid your edit because I wanted to rewrite some parts. If you see I also altered: "Sandor 'The Hound' Clegane" because such wording is never employed in the show.
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--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 16:39, March 21, 2014 (UTC)
   
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You didn't "correct" the sentences, you simply reworded them to your liking - without adding new information. Or, when you did add new information, it was too redundant.
   
::It's gross and it is offending to me. I'm sure it may be to others. If "Bastard of Bolton" was made to be changed, than I am sure the staff won't look too kindly at "Taint". That word coupled with "maggot" is nasty and I'm sort of appalled that you are defending it. I've already brought it to the staff, so it's their say. No need to defend it again. {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 20:10, March 7, 2013 (UTC)
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Specific example Gonzalo84 already mentioned: The first part of "Theon Season 3" should contain the summary "Theon is tortured by Ramsay"...''then'' describe in chronological order what happened. Instead, you inserted "including cutting off his fingers and castrating him"...which is redundant with the body of the section itself.
   
:::Oh I'm not defending it, I personally banned him out of hand simply for choosing such an offensive name. Oh I see what you mean: the above "I understand your concern" bit was just about shooting Gonazalo84 a message on his Talk page, explaining ''why'' this is a grotesque username (instead of waiting around for chat): even though "cunt" is a word on the TV show, I'd still ban anyone who used it as part of their username (Ch'Vyalthan had the odd habit of not wanting to repeat curse words used in-dialogue, instead going out of his way to make awkward phrases to get around it; it was kind of labored).--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 20:13, March 7, 2013 (UTC)
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Putting "unknown" into the templates for "Founder"...was not "actual work". You only just joined and don't know how templates work; we'd have explained this if you asked. We leave founder blank if "we the audience" don't know who it was, but the characters within the narrative know who the founders of their Houses were.
   
::::Oh, I was wondering! lol And I explained to him in chat. I'm going to go ahead and remove the explanation- even that sounds gross lol. {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 20:17, March 7, 2013 (UTC)
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As Gonzalo84 pointed out, we don't use "humans" on here; no one in the books or TV series uses "humans", they say "people", because non-human races are incredibly rare and believed extinct - and when they DO discuss say, the White Walkers, they talk about the "threat to the realms of men" not "humans".
   
==Characters significantly changed==
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I myself use "Sandor 'The Hound' Clegane" when first introducing him in an article, just so casual fans know what we're talking about, but I wouldn't use it repeatedly.
   
CestWhat is starting to argue against the very concept of comparing books to TV adaptations so I'm going to ask your opinions on this: I think my section on Robb/Talisa/Catelyn was a bit too acerbic and negative, though I don't have time to rewrite it now. Are there other things you feel need to be changed? I'm looking for a specific list of things which need to be fixed. CestWhat seems upset by the Osha/Asha/Yara stuff, though I've posted a link to a WiC news post which pretty much sums up the whole thing anyway. CestWhat opposes making the basic comment that "Asha is a more significant character than Osha so it's curious why they'd change Asha's name and not the wildling's name, but maybe they just didn't realize this at first because Asha wasn't in season 1". I am a WikiDragon, not a WikiKnight. We do what needs to be done.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 05:07, March 9, 2013 (UTC)
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"All of your work" was 11 edits. That isn't that many reversions. The edits were not targeted because you made them or something, but judged on a case by case basis.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 19:31, March 22, 2014 (UTC)
   
==Robb Pic==
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==Ardilaun==
I know you are a right to like or not like whatever pic, but I prefer the other family tree picture for [[Robb Stark]] I used. I liked it because it show how light brown his hair colour is. [[User:CestWhat|CestWhat]] ([[User talk:CestWhat|talk]]) 16:21, March 21, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
==Alayaya==
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I just gave Ardilaun a one week temp ban for several problems, which I have explained on his talk page. I really need you to weigh in on this. I hope I handled this well but if you disagree I will defer to your decision.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 02:10, March 23, 2014 (UTC)
   
In "Lord Snow" in the scene where Catelyn first meets Littlefinger, is the dark-skinned prostitute sitting behind him supposed to be Alayaya?--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 23:14, March 24, 2013 (UTC)
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== Tommen and Dean-Charles Chapman Articles ==
   
==Opposition==
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Now that it's confirmed that Chapman is playing Tommen, can those articles be unlocked so they can be updated?  Thanks.  [[User:TheUnknown285|TheUnknown285]] ([[User talk:TheUnknown285|talk]]) 19:16, March 23, 2014 (UTC)
   
Would you be opposed if I banned CestWhat? For 1 - pervasive and unrepentant spelling errors, 2 - pestering the Admins (particularly during a very busy time), 3 - linking to a youtube clip. I increasingly look to the strict standards of the Mass Effect Wiki, and realize that if they can maintain such high editing standards, why can't we?--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 15:38, March 26, 2013 (UTC)
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Thanks for getting on that so quickly, Dragon Demands. Can you also unlock the Chapman article? Thanks. [[User:TheUnknown285|TheUnknown285]] ([[User talk:TheUnknown285|talk]]) 19:32, March 23, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Portal ==
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== "Must Watch" Videos ==
   
Oh sure. Do we have a new image of Stannis yet? I'm pretty sure I uploaded a new Jon image in the cast portal, but I will double check when I get home later. {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 18:32, March 28, 2013 (UTC)
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This unsightly blemish has made a reappearance on some pages today. I want to complain to Wikia directly, and make it clear that we want this thing gone before S4 premiers. Just making sure we are all of one mind regarding this?--{{The Boy Who Cried Direwolf/signiture}} 13:47, March 25, 2014 (UTC)
:Ooo, that is nice! I will change it in a couple of hours :) {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 19:32, March 28, 2013 (UTC)
 
::Check it out. Added Stannis and put Mance instead of Davos :) {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 18:09, March 29, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::I can sure work on it now :) {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 00:06, March 30, 2013 (UTC)
 
::::Done! :) {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 00:20, March 30, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
If Mance Rayder is going to have his own cast portal image on the front page, perhaps his slot in the slider should be changed to Slaver's Bay? It's an entirely new and important setting in the series (I really hope no TV-first fans were paying close attention to details about Qarth; they're going to spend quite a few seasons in Slaver's Bay).--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 01:15, March 30, 2013 (UTC)
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:It showed up again a few days ago. I completely agree with you.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 15:58, March 25, 2014 (UTC)
   
==Race infobox==
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==How "Objects" category works==
   
I was inspired by Wookiepedia to make a Race template, now that Season 3 is going to start introducing things. Non-human races are so rare that I felt it was better to make a "Race" template as a catch-all applied to different "races" as in "cultures" - i.e. both "Giants" and "Dornishmen" (and a "Type" entry on the box indicates if they are "Human" or "Non-Human"). Things like the Valyrians would be "Extinct" (are the old-style Rhoynar "extinct"?, strictly speaking)?
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"Books" are a subcategory of "Objects". Does a single Book article, such as "Book of Brothers", get both the "Books" and "Objects" categories added to it, or just the "Books" category? The book articles are not currently consistent on this.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 03:20, April 1, 2014 (UTC)
However I've run into problems with it on the "Giants" page; it keeps including the entire article in the infobox.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 19:45, March 31, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Servants of Darkness ==
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:Hmmm I'll defer to your judgment.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 05:44, April 1, 2014 (UTC)
   
Do you think Servants of Darkness should have their own page? There wouldn't be much bio on them and I figured they'd mostly be written about in the article, but thought I'd ask :) {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 03:34, April 1, 2013 (UTC)
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::Well, currently, "Arya Stark" is in the "Characters from the North" category but not the wider "Characters from Westeros" category, and "Syrio Forel" is in "Characters from Braavos" but not "Characters from Essos". It stands to reason that "Books" alone is enough for a Book article, not both "Books" and "Objects".--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 05:49, April 1, 2014 (UTC)
:Oh, no I wasn't- I was thinking about it earlier when watching the episode again- thought I'd ask :) {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 03:37, April 1, 2013 (UTC)
 
::The image of her is an actual HBO promotional image. Is there one of her from the episode? {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 06:01, April 1, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::Yeah, the promo images are always great. Good quality :) {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 07:49, April 1, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== chat ==
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==RED ALERT: HBO Viewer's Guide has been rebuilt from scratch==
   
Do you have time for a quick chat? {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 23:19, April 7, 2013 (UTC)
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https://twitter.com/westerosorg/status/451098779811598336
   
:Me too.{{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 23:26, April 7, 2013 (UTC)
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The HBO Viewer's Guide has been rebuilt from the ground up. As Westeros.org pointed out, it is very "Web 3.0" -- blatantly designed for use on iPhones more than ease of use on laptops. You have to scroll down using a mousewheel, instead of convenient browser bars....at the least, it functions more smoothly than Season 2's did in some parts (The Appendix stopped working when Season 3 premiered and continued that way until this week). Well, the navigation is a little weird (obviously meant for iPhone scrolling) but not the worst in the world once you get a feel for it.
   
==CestWhat==
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Let me be clear: they ''retroactively'' revised the entire thing, Seasons 1, 2, and 3.
   
CestWhat destroyed what little chance she had for coming back onto this wiki; rather than complain and ask for leniency, she proceeded to make a series of dummy accounts and continued to edit under them.
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I remember when the updated Viewer's Guide for Season 3 was released; it was the same day that Season 3 premiered, and it was a little buggy for a few days while they refined it. I'm hoping the problems I have with it now will thus be smoothed over in the next week.
...rather stupidly, she continued to work on things which ''only'' CestWhat was working on; character quote templates, family tree templates, etc. Oddly, she didn't just make one dummy account but multiple accounts depending on what task she was doing at the moment, i.e. "Quotabe characters" for quotes, or "PicsPics" for photos, etc. But the nail in the coffin was over on Wikia: I wrote her a warning on her Talk page there to go away and stop harassing us on other wikis. She used one of her dummy accounts, "PicsPics" to remove the message...apparently not realizing this tipped me off that they were one and the same.
 
Complaining for leniency was one thing, but making multiple dummy-accounts to circumvent a ban crosses the line: now there is no doubt it must be a permanent ban, beyond all hope of appeal, and any new account she makes will be deleted on sight.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 21:09, April 11, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
==Re: New Images==
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'''They have gutted all of the secondary noble House heraldry'''. The Karstarks, the Reynes, etc. all of that is gone.
I have categorized them. I did it right after I uploaded them. I forgot 3x03 in [[:File:Greizhen mo Ullhor.jpg]]. Sorry for that --[[User:Mesmermann|Mesmermann]] ([[User talk:Mesmermann|talk]]) 07:33, April 15, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Spare time we don't have. ==
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'''The map has been completely updated from scratch'''. It's pretty ugly now, actually. An added feature is that you can zoom in on it now for more information points which don't appear in the worldview.
   
I know we don't really have "spare" time, but if you happen to find some, I could use some help going through these uncategorized files and either delete them, or categorize them properly. I figured if we all do a little here and there, they will eventually get finished :) [http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Special:UncategorizedFiles Special:UncategorizedFiles] {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 20:14, April 16, 2013 (UTC)
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Again, maybe this is buggyness due to the new rollout: there is no "Season 3" homepage, at the moment you have to access everything episode by episode.
   
==Uncategorized images==
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A good point I guess is that all of those "Inside the Episode" HBO-Go videos are now offered FOR FREE in the Viewer's Guid, in a convenient menu for each episode. So they've got that going for them.
It's done and I added also permission to them. If there is more of my picture who isn't categorized or their missing permisson on more of my picture, please let me know. I will remember to categorize and add permission to my pictures in the future. --[[User:Mesmermann|Mesmermann]] ([[User talk:Mesmermann|talk]]) 07:55, April 17, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
==Marei==
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Unfortunately, they continue to use the map which is not the same as Lands: actually it's fairly close up until Vaes Dothrak and Qarth, but afterwards it shows the Jade Sea as extending north when it actually extends south in Lands of Ice and Fire. Also, certain locations such as Bayasabhad have simply disappeared.
Thanks and done [[Marei]] --[[User:Mesmermann|Mesmermann]] ([[User talk:Mesmermann|talk]]) 20:18, April 21, 2013 (UTC)
 
==Images for S3E4==
 
I posted a couple of images for Clegane, Beric, the Sack of Astapor, Joffrey, and Varys. Most of the articles dont have text so i did not put em anywhere, but put them where you see fit if you can. Im off for the night :P [[User:Darklarik|Noc noc... whos their? Darknesssss]] ([[User talk:Darklarik|talk]]) 06:05, April 22, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
==WTF is going on with starks==
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It's also odd that they don't list Oldtown on a map at all. Norvos and Qohor are also gone....even from the Season 1 episode 4 page, when Jorah even specifically says "I'm going to Qohor but will catch up in a few days."
So bouth in books and in tv series please spoil for me, are Starks done? are they totaly eliminated or going to be eliminated from the series? what does books say? im so pissed off that starks are dieying by pathetic deaths. 
 
   
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One of the bigger problems is that THEY DO NOT HAVE A MASTER LIST OF HOUSES. Maybe because I'm stuck in episode-by-episode mode now.
   
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But I think their concern was that complete noob TV-only viewers who get very confused would lost track of all of the Houses if they were in a big list -- such as, why include House Arryn in a list ''all the time''? Fair enough.
   
[[User:Scare Cr0w|Scare Cr0w]] ([[User talk:Scare Cr0w|talk]]) 18:26, April 22, 2013 (UTC)Scare Cr0w   (Loyal member of Stark Family)
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So what they do is only list the major Houses "featured" in a given episode. I.e. they don't put an icon linking to "House Tully" or "House Greyjoy". Now Tully and Greyjoy pages DO exist, they just streamlined the menu to only show those important in a given episode (which do rotate throughout the season). Again, there was some justification in this because they list the "featured" ones.
   
== Yarnu ==
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I'm probably being too harsh; it's because I'm locked-in under a specific episode. They haven't finished making the "Season 3 homepage" which probably lists all of them.
   
Oh wow. It means Wikia has blocked them Wikia-wide. I wonder if that was a Cestwhat sockpocket or a user that was complained about on another page? {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 19:12, April 22, 2013 (UTC)
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At any rate the above are fairly minor problems: though I wonder, if they were redrawing the map FROM SCRATCH, making an entirely new drawing of the map, why bother to continue to recopy the incorrect one from Seasons 2-3? It's not as if the TV show itself got contracted by anything ''east of Vaes Dothraki or Qarth''!
   
== Sorry ==
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So the navigation is a bit annoying with the slider, though you adapt to that, and in any case they haven't finished the main page (why wouldn't they have a family tree for the Karstarks?)--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 23:29, April 1, 2014 (UTC)
Hey, I just noticed that you deleted the image. I wasn't aware that the particular wiki I took the image from was using fan-made content. I'm sorry. [[User:Viktoria Landers|Viktoria Landers]] ([[User talk:Viktoria Landers|talk]]) 20:58, April 23, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
:Hmm... Judging by the image I found in that wiki, I don't expect mine to be much different since it matched the sigil's description.. right? [[User:Viktoria Landers|Viktoria Landers]] ([[User talk:Viktoria Landers|talk]]) 21:18, April 23, 2013 (UTC)
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Anyway it's a good thing we've had plenty of time to pick the viewer's guide clean for heraldry that doesn't appear anywhere else.
   
::Thanks for you help, I hope everything is fine now :-) [[User:Viktoria Landers|Viktoria Landers]] ([[User talk:Viktoria Landers|talk]]) 23:29, April 23, 2013 (UTC)
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One big complaint is that....it doesn't easily distinguish between the rival sub-branches of "House Baratheon". You see the old Season 3 one had a homepage with each king on it, a nice big picture of each king along with it, and actually titled "The King on the Iron Throne" or "The King in the Narrow Sea".
   
==Re: Cleanup==
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The new one lists each of these by a House name, but with maybe limited space or something, EACH is called just "House Baratheon".
Done. With almost 300 instances of that wayward period, I can see why it was such an annoyance!
 
:http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/xraydeltaone/images/b/b2/Siggy4.png '''@'''<staff/> <small>([[User:XD1|profile]])•([[User talk:XD1|talk]])•([[Special:Emailuser/XD1|email]])</small> 17:23, April 25, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
==Durrandon vs Durrendon==
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Going back to early Season 2, there are actually three icons that say simply "House Baratheon" - though they do have each of the three different sets of heraldry. Titles such as "The King in the Narrow Sea" are used only as subheaders.
   
Crud. Apparently, Elio "Ran" Garcia of Westeros.org confirmed that the name is actually "Durrendon" -- apparently centuries of linguistic/name drift turned the "House of Durran" into "House Durrendon" with an "e". http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Talk:House_Durrendon -- however, the talk page does not cite where Elio said this.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 15:35, April 26, 2013 (UTC)
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Why not just call them "House Baratheon of King's Landing" and "House Baratheon of Dragonstone"?
   
== Battle Infobox ==
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Anyway there were a few errors here and there:
   
Hi! As you've noticed, whenever I edit a battle infobox the name of the battle disappears from the template. You corrected that on the War on Conquest page, but I just edited the Last Storm page and the same thing happened. How do I correct that? Thanks! [[User:Ravenclaw999|Ravenclaw999]] ([[User talk:Ravenclaw999|talk]]) 19:32, April 27, 2013 (UTC)
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"Aegon Targaryen" is mispelled "Aegon Targaryena" with an accent (probably a typo)
   
== Guest cast page ==
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The "House Tyrell" page's family tree uses the "House Baratheon of King's Landing" heraldry for Renly Baratheon! [http://viewers-guide.hbo.com/game-of-thrones/season-3/episode-10/houses/11/house-tyrell] (probably just a simple mistake; they do use his correct heraldry on the Season 2 House Tyrell page: http://viewers-guide.hbo.com/game-of-thrones/season-2/episode-3/houses/11/house-tyrell
   
Regarding it's hasty deletion; Are you serious? It had legitimate information, and whilst I concede it wasn't as neat as other pages, it was a few short edits away from being fine. Can you explain your decision further?
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But now they give different quotes for each character's bio page which update each season (different quote for Jon Snow Season 1 and Jon Snow Season 2).
   
:I agreed with the decision to delete it. We are overburdened and understaffed, barely keeping up with new information from Season 3. We don't need the distraction now of...needlessly creating a chart of Guest Cast appearances. I mean...to what ''purpose'' is that? It's like memorizing baseball statistics. We don't need accurate numerical lists of how many episodes each cast member appeared in; we need prose paragraphs in character biographies describing ''what they actually did'' in those articles. Otherwise it's just a glorified IMDB cast list. Theoretically, one might not even have watched the damned episode to create such a list, just looked at the credits.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 12:45, May 8, 2013 (UTC)
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I do find it extremely offensive that someone chose for Loras's Season 3 bio pagequote, "A sword-swallower through and through" -- even if limited to season 3 quotes, wouldn't Sansa's "He's quite a fighter" from "Kissed by Fire" been much more appropriate? The quote they picked was crass (I lampshade that Olenna was just being very blunt in private).
   
==My Wikia App==
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The House Frey family tree was already a mess on the season 3 site, we'll wait until Season 4 updates (this revision to seasons 1-3 was mostly....cosmetic. Didn't change info really).
Hello. My name is Nic and I'm from the Community Development Team. As you may or may not have heard, we recently released an application called My Wikia. We are hoping to bring this app to the attention of more people and for this reason could use some cooperation with this Wiki. We are hoping that you will allow us to display this [http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Template:MyWikia Template] in the upper-right hand column on your wiki. If you are fine with us displaying this, please let me know. Thanks. - [[User:Wagnike2|Wagnike2]] ([[User talk:Wagnike2|talk]]) 14:24, May 6, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
==What do you mean?==
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Only points of note from the Appendices are that it states the Alchemists' Guildhall is under Rhaenys's Hill, and have an entry for the Iron Bank of Braavos (they don't use possessive S with words that end in "S" like Stannis, but I've checked and the books ''do''....for a long time I thought it was the other way around, but I'm slowly fixing this as I encounter it on the wiki).
I don't know what you mean with the last message. What subtitles did I alter? I've read the books. Can you please explain so I can understand and not make the same mistake (if I made one?) --[[User:Mesmermann|Mesmermann]] ([[User talk:Mesmermann|talk]]) 18:03, May 8, 2013 (UTC)
 
:I can't remember that, i'm sorry for that. Yes, i know the event. I'm teasing my friends about something big is gonna happend soon. I can't wait to get the reactions from them. But i've tight lips--[[User:Mesmermann|Mesmermann]] ([[User talk:Mesmermann|talk]]) 12:01, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
I checked another 2 or 3 major character articles to make sure before editing but in any case all of the pages on here have 1 main quote at the top of the page before the character bio, so what is wrong? I made sure to change the episode link the quote in Edmure Tully's page too. [http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/User:Celtic-Oranje Celtic-Oranje]
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Otherwise, they didn't update to include Martyn or Willem Lannister (again, neither did the older version). They *did* add in some better photos of Shireen Baratheon, who was barely featured with a fuzzy earlier photo in the original Season 3 Viewer's Guide.
   
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'''We have one massive problem''': The people who wrote the Viewer's Guide update now list her as "Sansa Lannister" in both the Lannister and Stark pages.
   
Quick question: How would one use another name / appositive for a character (such as "Khaleesi" or "Red woman") and still have it link back to that character's page on the wiki?
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Yeah.
   
==Back from Britain==
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I say we should just plain ignore that - they also mis-use "Cersei Baratheon" instead of "Cersei Lannister" etc. I think we shouldn't assume the TV continuity is different on her name from this supplementary thing alone.....wait until on-screen dialogue says it or not in the Season 4 premiere.
   
I'm back from my week-long trip to Britain. I hope things haven't gotten too out of hand. I barely managed to watch episodes 6 and 7 before I left, but not compose summaries for them; now I need to watch episode 8. I'll cleanup what I can. Amazing that new users come on here and yell about "why isn't the Jorah Mormont page properly categorized?!" when 1 - we don't have basic summaries written for some episodes or main character pages need to be updated, and 2 - anyone can add categories to a page, and it actually took longer to complain than to do it themselves. Well, I'm back, so it's time to start cracking heads. We have little time to prepare for episode 9, probably the biggest night this wiki will ever experience. I hope all of the locked pages will hold.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 16:54, May 30, 2013 (UTC)
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I mean, the same Viewer's Guide under "Talisa Maegyr" spells it as "Volantine"...with an "i", instead of "Volantene".
   
:Side-note: I saw a production of ''The Tempest'' at the reconstructed Globe theater in London, starring [[Roger Allam]] as Prospero. I've never seen ''The Tempest'' before: did you take your username from Gonzalo, Prospero's faithful advisor?--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 16:55, May 30, 2013 (UTC)
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So major changeups to the Viewer's Guide.
::Actually, Gonzalo is my middle name
 
:::Ah. Funny how things synch up like that.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 00:35, May 31, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Protect? ==
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MAYBE this will improve when they have the actual Season 3 homepage done, which will list all.
   
Hi. I was wondering if it might be an idea to put up some level of protection on the [[Season 4]] page. I noticed a couple of days ago that someone had added a Stoneheart reference, which could very likely be added again with upcoming events. Just an idea.[[User:Rachel P|<font face="Parchment" size=7 color="#D4A017">''R''</font><font face="Parchment" size=6 color="#D4A017">''achel''</font>]] [[User talk:Rachel P|<font face="Parchment" size=6 color="#D4A017">''P''</font>]] 06:31, June 1, 2013 (UTC)
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And I do hope they update completely new info for Season 4.
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--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 23:43, April 1, 2014 (UTC)
   
You banned me the day I joined the Wiki because I had "sworn to house Greyjoy" in the wrong tab, so instead of helping a new member of the Wiki learn the ropes, you felt it was appropriate to ban me for a month. Cut the "welcome" crap and never post anything on my talk page again.
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:The House Stark family tree lists Sansa as Sansa Stark.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 00:01, April 2, 2014 (UTC)
   
You banned me the day I joined this Wiki because I had "sworn to House Greyjoy" in the wrong tab. Instead of helping a new member of the Wiki you opted to ban me for a month. Cut the "welcome" crap buddy and never post anything on my Talk Page again.
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:Greatjon Umber is called Jon "Greatjon" Umber.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 00:05, April 2, 2014 (UTC)
   
==Unlock [[The Rains of Castamere (episode)]]==
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::Truth be told, the mistakes of the Viewer's Guide are of little concern to me. Remember how we corrected them once?--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 00:22, April 2, 2014 (UTC)
Will you please unlock the page then episode aires, so we can contribute to the site. --[[User:Mesmermann|Mesmermann]] ([[User talk:Mesmermann|talk]]) 20:12, June 2, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
==Blog comment deletion==
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:Eh, the mistakes weren't major. I just like picking over them. The "Sansa Lannister" thing was the only real point of note so far. Wait, when did we correct them?--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 00:27, April 2, 2014 (UTC)
I was wondering if you could delete a book-spoiler comment a anonymous user made on my blog "To those who wonder if Robb is really dead..."? In response to one of user Lily!'s comments he/she talks about Catelyn and the Brotherhood Without Banners. [[User:Draevan13|<font face="" color="#000000">'''DRAEVAN13'''</font>]][[File:Targaryen.JPG|26px|link=User talk:Draevan13]] 13:19, June 3, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Roose's image ==
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::There was a mention in the appendix that Rodrik Greyjoy died trying to assault King's Landing. Someone here, I don't remember who, told Werthead, he got in contact with HBO and HBO fixed the appendix.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 00:47, April 2, 2014 (UTC)
   
His main image/slider pic is now changed Ser Gonzalo! :) {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 03:13, June 4, 2013 (UTC)
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::: Walder Frey is also now Lord Paramount of the Trident, and Roose Bolton is Lord of Winterfell...--{{The Boy Who Cried Direwolf/signiture}} 11:23, April 2, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Re: Block reasons ==
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::::Perhaps we could have Werthead contact Cogman and clarify if he had any input in the Viewer's Guide.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 14:40, April 2, 2014 (UTC)
   
Man I'm soory =/ I didn't quite know what you were saying by "categorizing new images", but I did a research and I know now... I will put the categories from now on and on all the images I have uploaded already--[[User:Blaublau94|KIWIBOλ]] ([[User talk:Blaublau94|talk]]) 16:02, June 5, 2013 (UTC)
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::::Well I've been asking Werthead to try to contact Cogman for months to take a look at the Cargo Cult, that hasn't worked out yet.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 16:18, April 2, 2014 (UTC)
   
==Danys profile photo?==
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::::: In this instance I think it was probably intentional. With Littlefinger up to his elbows in the Vale's power play it makes sense to just give the Riverlands to the Freys, for simplicity's sake. It was hinted at in the "Histories and Lore" segment for them, with Catelyn wondering out loud if Walder's delay in reaching the Trident was a deliberate ploy to aid Rhaegar's forces in destroying the Tullys.--{{The Boy Who Cried Direwolf/signiture}} 16:29, April 2, 2014 (UTC)
Could a cropped version of [[:File:Daenerys 3x09.jpg|this photo]] be used as a picture to [[Daenerys Targaryen|her]] infobox?--[[User:Mesmermann|Mesmermann]] ([[User talk:Mesmermann|talk]]) 16:59, June 6, 2013 (UTC)
 
:That photo is kind of dark.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 17:03, June 6, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
==Please stop reverting my edits without an explanation==
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==POW symbol==
Hey! Could you please stop reverting my edits to the [[Daenerys Targaryen]] page? I've tried adding a better infobox photo several times, but you keep reverting my edits. The photo that is now on Dany's page is lacking in quality, which is why I'm trying to add a better one, as well as one that is from a more recent episode. What am I doing wrong? It seems silly to stop my work for no reason. [[User:Lionheartedcat|Lionheartedcat]] ([[User talk:Lionheartedcat|talk]]) 22:04, June 6, 2013 (UTC)
 
:Lets just keep the infobox image the way it is. With Dany in the blue cloak. It's an HBO promo image and very recent. I don't particularly like arguing and back and forth when it comes to infobox images. Let's just put the other image in her gallery page. {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 22:15, June 6, 2013 (UTC)
 
::Actually I like the one Gonzalo updated it with. It's also part of a promo image and it's a closer image of her face. :) {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 22:18, June 6, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
::: They are both promo photos from HBO, all episode stills are. And the one I was trying to add from 3x09 is more recent, and a closer image of her face, so I don't understand your reasons. But ''you'' are the mods here, and it's your wiki, so if you don't like it, of course I'll listen to you. I was just trying to improve the page. Please remember to leave an explanation when you revert an edit though :) [[User:Lionheartedcat|Lionheartedcat]] ([[User talk:Lionheartedcat|talk]]) 22:26, June 6, 2013 (UTC)
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The prisoner symbol used in the battle infoboxes doesn't really show up well in the actual articles: Captured.png
   
You were given reasons in the edit summaries. Stop putting in new images just because they are the most recent. We're going for "most iconic" for the current season as a whole. No, we don't need one zoomed-in on her face, that's too close. An image should show some of a character's costume as well. The last version you wanted to add was too dark, from a night scene, and was such a closely cropped headshot that we couldn't see her costume well.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 22:43, June 6, 2013 (UTC)
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Viewed within an article I don't think readers can tell it has a chain attached to it.
   
:I added recent images because that's what's standard. I haven't seen any rules on this wiki that says otherwise, which is why I didn't understand why you reverted my edits. I've seen screencaps used as infobox photos that are not iconic at all, and are zoomed in on their faces as well. I think you've got me confused with someone else. What night scene? The latest photo I tried to add was a light photo from 3x09, and was not at all closely cropped. I'll stop updating infobox photos from now on, as I'm afraid I'll do something wrong again. [[User:Lionheartedcat|Lionheartedcat]] ([[User talk:Lionheartedcat|talk]]) 22:54, June 6, 2013 (UTC)
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I think we should replace this with simply writing "POW", as readers are simply more familiar with this.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 05:13, April 3, 2014 (UTC)
::You do a good job Lionhearted, I'm not sure which is the pic that was originally there now. And yes, I agree it usually is very standard to add the most recent/updated image to a character. Can you send me to my talk page which image you were trying to post to the infobox? {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 23:15, June 6, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Re: Brackets on names ==
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:Alright, go ahead.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 05:20, April 3, 2014 (UTC)
   
I see. Though it says nothing about that in the guidelines (at least not that I noticed). Also, it is not an obvious indication of a character being dead at all, especially since this wiki is aimed at the viewers of the show and not the readers of the books. But I'll keep this detail in mind if I happen to come across other stuff in articles that (to me) looks like an editing blunder.--Abonbon 14:57, June 8, 2013 (UTC)
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==Institutes vs Organizations==
   
== typo will will on season 4 front page ==
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We never really well-defined the difference between "Institutions" and "Organizations" so to make things easier to find I've just removed the Institutions category entirely.
   
Hi Gonzalo84, Susan Ae here. Are you aware that on the front page, written for season 4, there is a typo that is: will will. I don't see any way to remove it with the editor. Of course it needs to be fixed!! I'm mostly a proofreader around here! [[User:Susan Ae|Susan Ae]] ([[User talk:Susan Ae|talk]]) 01:35, June 11, 2013 (UTC)
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A separate problem: "Organizations" has subcategories, like "Military organizations" and "Religious organizations".
   
==Sppook==
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How were we handling this? Does the "Kingsguard" article get the category tags for both "Military organizations" and "Organizations" added to it?--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 13:19, April 3, 2014 (UTC)
   
I suspected that Pierre Sund might be CestWhat, but there's records of him editing on True Blood Wiki over a year ago, so I guess that's not another sockpuppet. Sppook, on the other hand, is displaying several classic signs of CestWhat: 1- No prior record of editing on other wikis, 2 - Editing family tree templates and navboxes, and 3 - Making certain needless redirects like "Lady Barbary Ryswell", including the "Lady" title. I'm going to ban Sppook, unless proven otherwise.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 18:34, June 14, 2013 (UTC)
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Well, like "Characters" and "Season 1 characters"... or locations. They belong in both categories I think.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 14:49, April 3, 2014 (UTC)
   
==Family tree updates==
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I did this to aid navigation: as for other things like "Red Priest" or "King", those fit in under "Titles". Anything that's an "Institution" but not an "Organization", I think, is inherently a "Title". "Grand Maester" for example is a title within an organization, not a separate "institution". The definitions were too vague, and it actually makes it easier to find them if they're all under one big category of "Organization".--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 16:39, April 3, 2014 (UTC)
   
I'm trying to update the family trees, and I've loosely figured out how (after screwing around with some, or reverse-engineering them from other similar but pre-existing trees). The reason I was encouraged to do this is when I tried to explain to a friend who the Martells were, and I said "you know, Myrcella got engaged to their youngest son" but she didn't remember that had happened back in early season 2.
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==Locations vs Geography==
   
The TV show hasn't introduced as many families and extended members, so that helps. In which case, family trees which need updating include:
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We need to get this sorted out: http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:The_Dragon_Demands#Locations_category
   
*House Lannister - I added Trystane Martell, linking him to Myrcella with the dashed line we use for betrothal/romantic links. I'm also adding Margaery Tyrell next to Joffrey. I need to find pictures for Myrcella and Tommen, probably from "What is Dead May Never Die".
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The way AWOIAF does this is that everything is under the overall heading "Geography", while "Oldtown" goes under "Places in the Reach".
**Joanna and Steffon Lannister - these are established characters in the TV show even if their father is not yet; however I don't want the main Lannister tree to get cluttered (it is already very full) - so I think we should do what AWOIAF does, which is make a separate template which only appears on Joanna and Steffon's pages.
 
*I want to add Ygritte to the House Stark template with a dotted romantic link to Jon, on the grounds that 1 - it is a major relationship in the show, and 2 - while not stated in the TV show, according to wildling custom, Jon is technically married to Ygritte.
 
*House Tyrell - Bryan Cogman has officially established that Margaery is actually older than Loras in the TV version, due to the actress' age, though fundamentally in such a patriarchal society this doesn't affect things that much (either way Margaery is behind any brothers in line of succession). So I'm simply going to flip the order of Margaery and Loras.
 
*House Karstark - slightly more complicated in that I think the TV show renamed one son who was "Eddard" in the books so viewers wouldn't get confused; not sure if youngest brother appeared yet. Either way, good to get started on that.
 
*House Baratheon - has become badly cluttered, one of the more challenging ones to fix up. I was always opposed to adding three separate entries for Stannis' stillborn sons when a single box would have sufficed. But more importantly, the manner of handling Robert's bastard children isn't working - it needlessly forces Cersei's children down a full row, so only Robert's bastards appear on the second row. It's a drastic waste of space.
 
*House Frey - wow...where to even start? The difficulty is compounded by the fact that not all of the Freys have been established within the TV series. I'll put this last on the list as it will be very difficult.
 
*I think I'm going to throw together a small family tree for Hodor and Old Nan if I have the time.
 
*How should we handle a family tree for House Florent? They're a large family but not all members have been established, but even in a simplified version we weren't provided with the names of Selyse' parents in TV continuity. We'd really only need to show that Alester and Ryam and Rylene are siblings, that Melessa is daughter of Alester, while Selyse and Imry are children of Ryam. I'll mock up a simplified TV version to test this out.
 
*I think we should just avoid making a placeholder House Martell tree given that so few members have been identified in the TV series so far, and because in just a few weeks we'll get casting information which will confirm them.
 
   
--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 22:58, June 14, 2013 (UTC)
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Do you prefer "Geography" or "Locations"?--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 16:58, April 3, 2014 (UTC)
   
Given how much space it took up relative to its usefulness, I've removed Mhaegen and Barra from the Baratheon family tree; it introduced an entire second tier and just made more problems than it was worth; my solution will be to make a separate family tree for "Robert Baratheon's bastards", much as there are sub-trees for House Lannister. This doesn't outright "remove" Mhaegen and Barra, actually, as they are included under the umbrella terms "various women" and "various bastards"--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 00:34, June 15, 2013 (UTC)
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:I like Geography more... it has a more "in-universe" feel... while we are at this, I must tell you I'll be rather busy these days. I'll mostly come in to create new articles following each episode and make my trademark conjecture articles whenever a possible book character shows up but isn't mentioned by name.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 19:47, April 3, 2014 (UTC)
   
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::Ostensibly I've got language tests to prep for as well, I just feel like I don't have control on anything if I at least don't have some here. My goal of rewatching Seasons 1 to 3 start to finish has obviously been abandoned, but I hope to at least keep pace starting in Season 4. QueenBuffy said she might miss all of Season 4 without an HBO account; will you be less busy at some point?--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 20:10, April 3, 2014 (UTC)
   
==Desmond Crakehall==
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:In two weeks I'll be more free.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 20:13, April 3, 2014 (UTC)
   
Why did you deleted the Desmond Crakehall?
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::Similar situation on my end, really.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 20:15, April 3, 2014 (UTC)
   
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==Two Swords==
   
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Will you open "[[Two Swords]]" right after it airs? Thanks.[[User:Mesmermann|Mesmermann]] ([[User talk:Mesmermann|talk]]) 20:05, April 6, 2014 (UTC)
   
[[User:Marco dubrovnik|Marco dubrovnik]] ([[User talk:Marco dubrovnik|talk]]) 23:20, June 16, 2013 (UTC)
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==Season 4 premiere==
   
Thanks, I will fill the other categories, but can you help me with that also :)
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Think of it: only 2 hours until Season 4 begins. Then the floodgates open. To say nothing of the horde of vandals, the massive amount of new work, we'll have dozens or even hundreds of random editors coming on making sloppy edits.
   
[[User:Marco dubrovnik|Marco dubrovnik]] ([[User talk:Marco dubrovnik|talk]]) 23:45, June 16, 2013 (UTC)
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This will ''consume'' us, as you remember back in Season 3.
   
How can I add in the main Mhysa page of episode the character Lord Desmond Crakehall near Maro Drobnic?
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Good to be alongside you guys trying to handle this oncoming horde.
   
[[User:Marco dubrovnik|Marco dubrovnik]] ([[User talk:Marco dubrovnik|talk]]) 23:52, June 16, 2013 (UTC)
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Have no illusions: not all of us will make it through premiere night alive.
   
==CestWhat==
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The enemy is at the gates.
   
We need to be more active in dealing with CestWhat. First, I don't know how to contact Wikia to get her account removed on all wikis everywhere, but it is absurd that her account name "CestWhat" isn't banned on all wikis, such as the Downton Abbey Wiki.
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He who stands with me shall be my brother.
   
She seems obsessed with screwing with our templates; a problem is that even the "advanced recent changes" tab doesn't display actual changes to templates.
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--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 23:09, April 6, 2014 (UTC)
   
The only other discouragement I have is to ''systematically delete'' anything she's touched, even productive things, to discourage her from coming back here. We can't keep letting this problem fester, we need professional help from Wikia to get a wide-range IP address block.
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I stand ready my brother. Let's open the gates--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 02:05, April 7, 2014 (UTC)
We have to show CestWhat that we have her by the balls. Then we break the balls.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 06:38, June 20, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Jorah's infobox ==
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Ack. So many people were trying to login to HBO Go for the premiere that there was massive lag and I only managed to finish watching it by midnight. I did keep handwritten notes though, updating now...--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 14:59, April 7, 2014 (UTC)
   
I was wondering.. If Daario and Selmy both have the Targaryen sigil on their boxes, should we add one on Jora's too? [[User:Blaublau94|KIWIBOλ]] ([[User talk:Blaublau94|talk]]) 14:04, June 20, 2013 (UTC) 
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==Sansa==
   
Ok then xD  [[User:Blaublau94|KIWIBOλ]] ([[User talk:Blaublau94|talk]]) 23:49, June 20, 2013 (UTC)
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Given that Jaime calls her "Sansa Lannister" in the Season 1 premiere, you think that we might move the page at this time?--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 17:53, April 7, 2014 (UTC)
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:Not really, it would be like moving Cersei or Margaery to "Baratheon". --[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 18:31, April 7, 2014 (UTC)
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::I meant "wink wink, nudge nudge" ''not for long''. --[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 19:25, April 7, 2014 (UTC)
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==Tower of Joy==
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The pages of the Book of Brothers which are visible actually establish how Arthur Dayne and the other Kingsguard died at the Tower of Joy.
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Do that thing which must be done.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 19:25, April 7, 2014 (UTC)
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I'm taking a language test today, I will catch up tomorrow if I pass. If not I will be vanquished.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 11:56, April 8, 2014 (UTC)
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:Good look my friend. In the meantime I'll make a vague article titled "Showdown in the Red Mountains" without spoiling too much from the books.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 16:02, April 8, 2014 (UTC)
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== Season 4 page protection ==
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Hi Gonzalo. Any chance of either updating the season 4 page now that Two Swords has aired or reducing the protection on the Season 4 page to registered users so one of us can do it. Things like updating the cast who have been on screen, moving Diana Rigg back to guest cast  (since she apparently wasn't promoted as expected), puting in the image for Two Swords and the viewers rating (6.64 million according to wikipedia, wow). Nothing too major but it would be nice to fix it up a little. [[User:Rachel P|<font face="Parchment" size=7 color="#D4A017">''R''</font><font face="Parchment" size=6 color="#D4A017">''achel''</font>]] [[User talk:Rachel P|<font face="Parchment" size=6 color="#D4A017">''P''</font>]] 22:37, April 8, 2014 (UTC)
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Also remove the TBC from the Season 5 link. It has been now commissioned along with Season 6. :)
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== Upcoming Community Videos ==
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Hi!
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I'm Brian and I work with Wikia. I'd like to talk to you about a bit of [http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Brian_Linder/Game_of_Thrones:_Fan_vs._Critic_-_We_Want_YOU video programming] we have planned for the Game of Thrones community, and maybe being a part of it. Would you mind dropping me a line on my wall or by email at brian@wikia-inc.com when you have a sec? Thanks!!
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--[[User:Brian_Linder|<font color="Blue">Brian</font>]]<staff /> 18:02, April 9, 2014 (UTC)
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Dropping by to say hi [[User:Ashley Brown|Ashley Brown]] ([[User talk:Ashley Brown|talk]]) 08:45, April 13, 2014 (UTC)
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==Rconley1==
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I want to ban RConley1 (http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Rconley1?diff=128209&oldid=128208) - he's being very disruptive, has no idea how our spoilers policy works, and he hasn't actually contributed anything. He's been "harassing the Admins" enough and ignoring direct warnings that I suggest he just be banned outright. What do you think?--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 18:23, April 20, 2014 (UTC)
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: I think it's a good idea to involve a neutral third party at this point. Here's my account of what has happened. First, TheDragonDemands perma-banned me for participating in an existing discussion about site spoiler policy. Then, after he unbanned me, [http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Rconley1?oldid=128209 I created an entirely factual account on my own talk page about what happened] and invited him to either correct me on my version of the facts or to apologize. Instead, he has removed what I wrote and protected my profile and talk page. If those blocks are undone and TheDragonDemands leaves me alone, I make the following pledges:
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: 1. I will never directly contact TheDragonDemands again.
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: ​2. I will not advertise my documentation of his unilaterally perma-banning me.
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: <span style="font-size:14px;">3. If you can point me to a specific rule that forbids me from engaging in a discussion about site spoiler policy, I will follow the letter and the spirit of that rule.</span>
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: <span style="font-size:14px;">4. I will strive to contribute usefully to the wiki in whatever way I can, given my limited knowledge. I write for a living and can often find grammatical mistakes, at least.</span>
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: ​<span style="font-size:14px;">In addition, </span>I'd like to express in good faith that I have voiced my opinion on the site's spoiler policy and I'm satisfied in that regard. I do not intend, at this point, to pursue the matter of spoiler policy any further. At this point, all I want is to be able to factually document, on my own talk page, what I believe to be a wrongful ban and harassment at the hands of TheDragonDemands. Thank you, and I'm sorry that this matter is now drawing in other admins. [[User:Rconley1|Rconley1]] ([[User talk:Rconley1|talk]]) 19:10, April 20, 2014 (UTC)
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You haven't actually contributed anything. Your sole purpose for coming onto here was to complain that we prominently say that Joffrey died on the front page - the rest has been days of effort to harass me.
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Major question I have: you never had a Wikia account before. You never edited anything with the "RConley1" username, though you followed Admins from here to Downton Abbey Wiki, Buffy Wiki, to complain. A ''smarter'' man would have simply started over from scratch and picked a new screename, given that you haven't actually made any edits with your ''week old account''. So why do you keep trying to have it unbanned? Wounded pride?
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"Sorry this matter is now drawing in other Admins"? ''Liar''. You attempted to contact Gonzalo84 days ago via the Buffy Wiki. ''You'' were the one who "dragged in other Admins".
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Are you worth any of this?
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--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 19:18, April 20, 2014 (UTC)
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: Your banning me, harassing me, and preventing me from factually documenting that ban and harassment on my own talk page are all unfair, and I wish for my user page to reflect all that until and unless you apologize.
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: I ''am''​ sorry that you are preventing me from discussing this matter in an appropriate place, ''​such as my own talk page!''
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: This would be over and you would never hear from me again if you could live with your unfair actions being written down on a lowly, unknown user's talk page, but apparently you can't.'' ''​If you stand by what you've done, then why is it so important to you that my talk page not reflect that??''​''<span style="font-size:14px;"> </span>[[User:Rconley1|Rconley1]]<span style="font-size:14px;"> (</span>[[User talk:Rconley1|talk]]<span style="font-size:14px;">) 19:27, April 20, 2014 (UTC)</span>
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You fail to understand: I told you I would unban your account, ''on the condition'' that you simply go back to regular editing, and never discuss your complaints about the spoiler policy again. Making a long list on your talk page saying you felt wrongly slighted at a temp ban...''directly violated'' the order I gave you not to mention your original complaint. I erased this because I ''specifically ordered you'' not to write anything like that. Do you comprehend that you violated a direct order after promising that if I unbanned you, you would behave?
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"this would be over"...."this"? You mean your harassment? You are in no position to negotiate or to make demands.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 19:40, April 20, 2014 (UTC)
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: Show me where I promised ''anything''​ to you in exchange for undoing your wrongful ban. Show me. I specifically ''refused'' your offer over and over. Also, now you're calling your ban a "temp ban"? Really? You had every intention of making it permanent. You even banned my damn IP address like some spammer so that I couldn't create another account, forcing me to take my case to other wikis. [[User:Rconley1|Rconley1]] ([[User talk:Rconley1|talk]]) 19:46, April 20, 2014 (UTC)
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''(Reading through your post against me)''...you buffoon. You cited the time I asked for a group vote to ban ''LovelyChrys'' as an example of me "pioneering" the practice of permanently banning people from the cite? Major vandals? I'm not the first Admin to come up with the idea of permanently banning disruptive people.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 19:43, April 20, 2014 (UTC)
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: I said that because Opark77 said "we've never permanently banned a user" in response to your proposal to do exactly that. A reasonable deduction, I think, but I can remove that part if you want, even without specific proof that I'm wrong. Anything else you'd care to rebut? (I think we can both do without the name-calling, though.) BTW, I'm happy to continue this discussion on my own talk page, where it belongs, if you unprotect it.
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: Please consider my four specific pledges above, which I think give you the vast majority of what you want. All that will remain of this fiasco is a documentation of what you did to me on a talk page that probably no one will ever read. You can even have your own section to rebut my account of the facts. I really think the offer is quite reasonable. [[User:Rconley1|Rconley1]] ([[User talk:Rconley1|talk]]) 20:09, April 20, 2014 (UTC)
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I unbanned your account because you complained, but at the same time I left you with an ''admonishment'' that if you complained again about this I would ban you again.
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Technically, you never overtly promised anything, but you tacitly functioned under this condition when I unbanned your account ''and warned you as such'', hoping you would simply let the matter drop. Perhaps I was wrong to remove your original ban?--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 19:57, April 20, 2014 (UTC)
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:"I said that because Opark77 said "we've never permanently banned a user" in response to your proposal to do exactly that."....he said that ''nearly TWO YEARS AGO''. I wasn't even an Administrator at the time. Opark77 doesn't actively contribute to this wiki anymore. Do you actually bother to read through any of this?--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 20:16, April 20, 2014 (UTC)
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: Rconley1 has done nothing to warrant a block of any duration, let alone a ''permanent ban''. Also, it's completely unacceptable to prevent a user who isn't banned from editing their own talk and user page... much less to attempt to ruin the show for them by violating the very same spoiler policy that you're both arguing over '''''on their own page'''''. Pasting the spoiler policy onto his user page, and then locking it... insulting him... this is appalling behaviour, Dragon, and you of all people should know better.--{{The Boy Who Cried Direwolf/signiture}} 20:45, April 20, 2014 (UTC)
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::: Thank you very, very much. I really think that at this point, this is a personal vendetta for him. [[User:Rconley1|Rconley1]] ([[User talk:Rconley1|talk]]) 20:59, April 20, 2014 (UTC)
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Completely new users should not be allowed to harass the Admins like this. Gonzalo84, how do you stand on banning this guy?--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 21:16, April 20, 2014 (UTC)
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: As far as I can tell, "harassment" in this case means carefully and factually documenting what has occurred on my own talk page. [[User:Rconley1|Rconley1]] ([[User talk:Rconley1|talk]]) 21:26, April 20, 2014 (UTC)
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: He is ''not'' "harassing" you, and he will ''not'' be banned. Now, please draw a line under this sorry debacle. Rconley1, you're welcome to your opinions, but I'd encourage you to actively contribute if you want them to be taken seriously.--{{The Boy Who Cried Direwolf/signiture}} 21:49, April 20, 2014 (UTC)
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There has been some miscommunication here and I'm not entirely sure what RConley1 was actually intending; please see my comments on his talk page.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 22:03, April 20, 2014 (UTC)
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: That's fine. You both you should just call it quits and move on.--{{The Boy Who Cried Direwolf/signiture}} 22:11, April 20, 2014 (UTC)
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::That's what I ''wanted'' to do. Posting "I just had an argument with mean Admin TDD" on his talk page seemed like he was needlessly opening old wounds.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 22:13, April 20, 2014 (UTC)
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::::TDD has apologized for banning me and admitted that he mistook someone else's comments for mine. That's all I ever requested in order to take down my account of what happened, and so I have honored my promise, even though I think maybe this site would be well-served by documentation of the abuse to which I was subjected. My only hope is that the next person to cross his path is treated with a tiny bit more respect and consideration than they otherwise would receive due to my efforts here. Thank you, TDD, for your apology. I accept. [[User:Rconley1|Rconley1]] ([[User talk:Rconley1|talk]]) 22:53, April 20, 2014 (UTC)
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Alright, he has removed the material from his talk page. I am no longer urging that he be banned. All is well.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 22:57, April 20, 2014 (UTC)
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Hello! My name is Sam and I just wanted to say that I am new to the Wiki, I am a huge GOT fan, And hope we can talk about it please message me back ;D
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I was trying to edit Ygritte but it is protected. Season 3 addition:
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"Stopping to rest and tend to his injuries after fleeing the wildlings, [http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Jon_Snow Jon Snow] finds himself confronted by a furious [http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Ygritte Ygritte], who has an arrow ready to shoot him. Jon tries to talk Ygritte out of shooting him, insisting that he still loves her but that she should have known his loyalty to the Watch was never gone. Though his feelings are clearly reciprocated Ygritte is still angered by his betrayal and shoots Jon three times with her bow as he flees from her, watching him go with tears in her eyes."
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: ​Hello Samuel, I will now add this new information to the Ygritte page. Create a account and you will be able to edit on more pages! :) -- [[User:The Snow Prince|The Snow Prince]] ([[User talk:The Snow Prince|talk]]) 21:20, April 21, 2014 (UTC)
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==​Bowen Marsh/Othell Yarwyck==
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[http://winteriscoming.net/2014/04/12/new-details-about-season-4-episodes-2-and-3/]Greater Good 22:41, April 22, 2014 (UTC)
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:I suspect they realized that if Bowen Marsh was indeed in the expedition north of the Wall, he'd be dead - given that the TV version gives Jon, Sam, Grenn, and Dolorous Edd as the ''only'' survivors.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 00:35, April 27, 2014 (UTC)
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==Wiki acting slow==
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I can't open history tabs to see history or Protect pages; images are displaying weird and fuzzy (or zoomed in), and contents menus aren't loading. Is anyone else having these problems?
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I'm juggling a lot of tasks: my final language test to get my medieval degree is next week. This has slowed me down the past three weeks but I contributed what I could. What do you feel are the most important tasks to focus on right now?
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I'll get back after midnight and try to fix up more things before then.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 00:35, April 27, 2014 (UTC)
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: I'm also having these problems in Chrome, but not Firefox. Wikia also keeps refusing to publish my edits... the editor just reloads with a message at the top saying "your changes haven't been saved", or something like that.--{{The Boy Who Cried Direwolf/signiture}} 11:24, April 27, 2014 (UTC)
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:I'm having trouble with high quality images. They load in low quality.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 22:07, April 27, 2014 (UTC)
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I've been gone for a few days because I had to take my last language test. I've passed everything, my thesis is finally done, it's all over. I now have a Master's degree in medieval history. I'll be back on the wiki more often now - I was barely around for the first four episodes of season 4, I'll try to catch up.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 03:39, May 2, 2014 (UTC)
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==Benioff and Weiss are consciously ignoring feedback==
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http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/05/04/game-of-thrones-ignore-internet/
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I can sympathize with their point that "we don't read messageboards, because the comments are weighted to irate fanboys and might not reflect true feedback, or if only 1 out of 10 comments is negative it disproportionately affects your creative process later".
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Well and good. But HOW LONG have we lived "with the internet" and viewer feedback. I'm not talking about pandering to messageboards....what about when *official reviews* by newspapers or Entertainment Weekly and such say "Talisa Maegyr was an incredibly dumb idea"? There was even a "roundtable of noteworthy reviewers and critics" organized by T. Sean Collins.
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The hypocrisy of it all is that ''Bryan Cogman'' makes it a point to use twitter feedback now (starting again in Season 4), does fansite Q&A, etc.
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The trick is....DO NOT randomly jump onto messageboard threads! Read the major critical reviews! If nothing else WEsteros.org's semi-authoritative reviews (albeit I never agree with them on the Tyrells).
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The "trick" of "judging viewer response" is when something consistently pops up (again "Talisa isn't a good idea", or "female viewers are annoyed that you removed any political agency from Catelyn Stark and reduced her to whining about her babies instead of a tough as nails politician".
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I have, of course, seen other TV series which disintegrated because they started pandering to the online rabid fanbase which didn't reflect reality (I remember how in late Battlestar Galatica, the show falling apart around them, the writers still found time to spur-of-the-moment insert messageboard in-jokes or tumblr gags....then act as if this meant they were "paying attention" to the concerns of the fanbase, ignoring how the rest of the series was spiraling out of control).
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That's what I made the god-damned Cargo Cult for. That's why this is the business we have ''chosen'' for ourselves; the hope that pointing out factual things about the show on this wiki will in turn inform the larger fanbase as a whole. And with nearly 2 million hits a day since season 4 began, I really like to think that we're ''doing'' something.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 17:42, May 5, 2014 (UTC)
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== Joffrey Baratheon protection ==
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[[Joffrey Baratheon]] is protected even from established editors. I tried to make some tense corrections and couldn't. [[User:Alatari|Alatari]] ([[User talk:Alatari|talk]]) 08:02, May 8, 2014 (UTC)
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Thanks for the heads up. I'm glad to contribute.
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==Busy in first half of Season 4==
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Ack, I'm back now. I was busy finishing my thesis and passing my Latin and French placement tests, but they're completely done now. I was also busy with preparing for graduation stuff this month (I will now hold a Master's degree in medieval History) - but I'm finally free to be on the wiki more; I did what I could, with the new front page navigation and stuff, but I've largely been in "standby mode" and I need to go back over the first five episodes worth of stuff.
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We've been shorthanded for the workload (with QueenBuffy losing her HBO access, and Werthead...) so I'm starting by going into "see all edits" back through April 6th. Starting with "see only anonymous edits" (though there are something like 2,000 of those). Just to check for vandalism that slipped through the cracks.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 19:04, May 11, 2014 (UTC)
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:Sorry for my continued low activity: now that I've graduated (and hold a Master's degree in medieval History, yay!) I had to move into my new place. I've been pushing furniture around and unboxing the past few days. I will make use of the Memorial Day holiday weekend to catch up. Is there anything major that needs work immediately? There is quite a backlog and I was hoping Werthead would catch up on some of this stuff. Well, I at least kept the handwritten notes when I was watching the episodes; I'm going to have a rewatch maratheon.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 21:44, May 23, 2014 (UTC)
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==Images now have a "posted by" watermark==
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Why do thumbnail images now have a "posted by" watermark? This takes up additional space and loots a bit...garish.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 19:24, May 11, 2014 (UTC)
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I have no idea.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 21:49, May 23, 2014 (UTC)
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Yes, sorry about my sudden surge of photos. I just wanted to add some much needed updating to some of the various character pages in order to add depth. It was just bothering me for some odd reason, haha. I replaced the one File:Sansamarg photo with better cropping :) for some reason I was having trouble simply replacing the image. Again, sorry! [[User:MR.Flix|MR.Flix]] ([[User talk:MR.Flix|talk]]) 00:15, May 19, 2014 (UTC)
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=="From"==
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How are we handling people who are "From" one place but live somewhere else? Missandei is "From" Naath, but also "From" Slaver's Bay because she's lived there a long time. Similarly Grey Worm was "from" the Summer Islands in the sense that he was taken as a baby in a slaving raid, but he grew up in Slaver's Bay. I thought it would aid navigation to just add both categories to an article.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 23:16, May 23, 2014 (UTC)
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:Well, I was following the example set by Xaro Xhoan Daxos article: just from the Summer Isles. He's listed as "Qartheen" because he's culturally a Qartheen. If we add Missandei and Grey Worm to "from Slaver's Bay", shouldn't we also add Dany to "from the Free Cities"?--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 05:26, May 24, 2014 (UTC)
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::...Arguably, I actually think we should do that with Daenerys. The books don't exactly focus on it, but she's a lot more familiar with the Free Cities than she is with Westeros.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 19:33, May 24, 2014 (UTC)
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==Joss Stilwood==
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No, I don't know for certain that that's him, but he was always Gregor's squire in the books.Greater Good 18:34, June 2, 2014 (UTC)
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==Family tree templates==
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http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Ardilaun#You_can_see_how_this_is_confusing.2C_right.3F
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Please deal with this as you see fit.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 16:48, June 4, 2014 (UTC)
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==Timeline policy discussion==
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Please give your views on this: http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:GoTWiki_Small_Council_meeting_1:_Timeline_and_Current_Date
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--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 00:54, June 6, 2014 (UTC)
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Need your position on this.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 15:31, June 11, 2014 (UTC)
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==IMDb==
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Is IMDb a reliable  source? The last two episode are added to creditboxes on [[Stannis Baratheon|Stannis&nbsp;Baratheon]] and [[Davos Seaworth]] page by [[User:The Snow Prince]], bacause IMDb says so.--[[User:Mesmermann|Mesmermann]] ([[User talk:Mesmermann|talk]]) 12:57, June 6, 2014 (UTC)
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:It is not a reliable source... they were listing Ralf Kenning as appearing on the last episode.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 19:21, June 6, 2014 (UTC)
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::So if someone writes is as their source, we have to remove it, right?--[[User:Mesmermann|Mesmermann]] ([[User talk:Mesmermann|talk]]) 11:52, June 8, 2014 (UTC)
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:::Indeed.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 23:43, June 8, 2014 (UTC)
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==Sigils in battle and war infoboxes==
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I know the sigils go on the left on wikipedia, but on this wiki it made the infoboxes look very cluttered. --Greater Good 06:44, June 10, 2014 (UTC)
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==Season 4 finale==
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The Season 4 finale is upon us. The internet is going to ''explode'' after this one, on par with or surpassing the Red Wedding or Ned Stark's death. Enough traffic that the site itself might slow to a crawl, much less all of the vandals or random anonymous editors who need to tinker with it.
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The hordes are closing in.
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[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdNn5TZu6R8 This is where we hold them].
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Remember this day.
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--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 00:52, June 16, 2014 (UTC)
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:Tonight we fight! and when the sun rises, GoT Wiki will stand! The Admin Watch will stand!--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 06:00, June 16, 2014 (UTC)
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==Unlock?==
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Gonzalo, can you unlock my user page? I will make one edit updating the page, and then you can lock it again. Thanks! – [[User:The Snow Prince|The Snow Prince]] ([[User talk:The Snow Prince|talk]]) 19:46, June 16, 2014 (UTC)
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==New Admins==
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Due to the absence of some our numbers were low in Season 4. I think we should add about two more Admins. Off the top of my head I was toying with suggesting Daemon Targaryen and Rachel P - if they felt up to it and if they would continue to edit enough to merit it. They're both reliable workers and (as far as I can tell) seem to approach the work seriously.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 21:16, June 16, 2014 (UTC)
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:Due to my regrettably limited time recently, I'm not able to take a position on this or The Snow Prince situation. I'm hoping I can up my attendance soon, once I can drop the current day job :) --[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] ([[User talk:Werthead|talk]]) 20:17, June 19, 2014 (UTC)
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::Drop it for what?--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 20:42, June 19, 2014 (UTC)
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== Uploading GIFs ==
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I want to have a section of my user page for GIFs. Am I allowed to upload them? --[[User:Iron Bank|Iron Bank]] ([[User talk:Iron Bank|talk]]) 02:39, June 22, 2014 (UTC)
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Sorry-- hate to bother you, but the user [http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/User:SiKeDFiction SiKeDFiction] is being a total stupid son of a drooling whore and a monkey and throwing crass language into pages.  I fixed one, but I have a feeling he's going around and doing it to more, and it's just annoying.  If you could send him a notice or something to get him to stop/grow up?  Thank you!
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== Blocking ==
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Do you know how to undo vandalism on a page from the first moment it started? I am undoing and undoing and it is just taking forever. It's on my other page. {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 19:28, June 30, 2014 (UTC)
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:1 - Go to the history tab.
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:2 - Find the last date ''before'' the vandalism started. If the vandal started on June 30th, you find the last real edit on June 25th. Click on this date to view the page as it existed on that past date.
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:3 - Click "edit". You will see a page that says "warning, you are editing an older version of the page. Highlight and copy the ''entire'' contents of the page. Do not click "save", but close the window and go back to the current version.
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:4 - Click "edit". Delete everything. Then Paste in the older version of the page you copied. And click "Save".
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:This is labor-intensive but ultimately the only reliable way to undo multiple bad edits.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 19:30, June 30, 2014 (UTC)
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::Thanks TDD. I went ahead and had to delete the entire page contents. It was going back like 200+ edits. Ridiculous. {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 19:55, June 30, 2014 (UTC)
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(I figured out what you were saying and went back far enough to at least return it to some kind of normalcy. Thanks. {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 20:01, June 30, 2014 (UTC)
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Hi :) sorry about the Shae images having the black lines I didn't realise it :( I fixed them both now ! :)
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[[User:KirstenAbela|KirstenAbela]] ([[User talk:KirstenAbela|talk]]) 09:15, July 4, 2014 (UTC)
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== Mag Mar ==
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I noticed an editor asking about the protection level on [[Mag Mar Tun Doh Weg]]'s page. Is this something that needs to stay in place? I thought I'd ask since you were the admin who originally protected it. Thanks. {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 17:34, July 12, 2014 (UTC)
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==Freys vs Baelish==
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Please weigh in on this: http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:GoTWiki_Small_Council_meeting_2:_Freys_or_Baelish_rule_the_Riverlands%3F?t=20140718104215
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--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 18:26, July 19, 2014 (UTC)
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:We're waiting on your vote to take action.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 00:50, July 24, 2014 (UTC)
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==Historical Targaryen family trees==
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I've been setting up the Targaryen historical family trees for a few days, as you've seen.
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What should we do with "bridge" characters that "bookend" two different eras? Specifically, how Jaeherys I comes at the end of the Conquest era but also at the beginning of the Dance of the Dragons era template.
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Some of these family trees can get very long, and it's odd to put two of them - though I experimented with this on the [[Jaehaerys I Targaryen]] page.
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There are eight characters who "bridge" across two eras: Aerion, Aemon, Aegon V; Daeron II, Daenerys of Sunspear; Aegon III, Viserys II; Jaehaerys I.
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The earlier ones like Jaehaerys I have such little core content that I don't think it's that much of a problem, but Aemon is a TV show character, so his article is also quite long.
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Currently, if you start at Aegon I the Conqueror you can click through the family trees all the way down to Daenerys. But going up from Daenerys to Aegon I is slightly more difficult.
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I'm going to leave it like this for now because I'm hesitant to take up so much space with TWO family trees.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 20:12, July 19, 2014 (UTC)
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==Busy==
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Unfortunately I have to go to a friend's wedding in another part of the country so I will be away from the wiki for a few days - and I just realized that this weekend is San Diego Comic-Con so we might be getting new casting announcements. Crud.
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I'm also backlogged through July 20th. Well when I get back I'll just sit down and have to proofread it all. I will check in for major news from my hotel if I can.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 07:28, July 25, 2014 (UTC)
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Need to fix these:
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http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/92.150.144.114
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http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/90.37.146.61
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Loras is a major character. Edd and Grenn are not. Bronn eventually is a "major" character as he is credited as "starring" after Season 1. How do we handle characters who start as recurring but later get promoted to "starring"? I'd rather keep the original albeit longer explanation that "he started out as a recurring guest but then got promoted to starring, he is a major character". Same problem with Samwell Tarly.
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Alliser Thorne is not a major character. Rickon Stark is not...yet.
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I banned this guy from Paris but on second thought I'll lift it, treating it as a warning. May be some language barrier issues...--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 07:33, July 25, 2014 (UTC)
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==Sword infobox==
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The new sword infobox you made is very nice.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 03:50, August 6, 2014 (UTC)
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==Wiki map feature just got activated?==
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What the heck is this?
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http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Maps/147
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http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Log/Andrzej_%C5%81ukaszewski
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The logs say that a "maps" wiki extension was activated.
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Who wrote this thing? It has no "History" tab. Nor does it have any user protection levels so we have no means of policing if it gets abused. Is it even displaying anywhere?--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 04:10, August 6, 2014 (UTC)
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'''Read immediately:'''
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http://maps.wikia.com/wiki/Maps_Wiki
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Their launch video even used "Westeros" and "where was Daenerys Targaryen born?" as examples, and there's already a Westeros map setup, but they didn't think to contact the Admins here first - so there isn't really much to look at just yet. I've actually wanted interactive maps, this is just a bit sudden and I wish there had been better communication.
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We need to figure this out.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 04:44, August 6, 2014 (UTC)
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== Issue w/ Admin ==
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Hi Gonzalo84,
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I seem to be having an issue with one of the other admins here, The Dragon Demands. It seems like he/she took one of my edits rather personally and is now saying that I am taunting the admins and is threatening me with a warning ban. Wikia says I can speak to other admins if I'm having an issue, and looking through your history you seem to be a bit more level-headed and less hostile, wondering if you could look into it. It's on my talk page. Really, I'm just worried about a wikia where one of its admins is treating users with such hostility over a non-malicious case of editing, specifically one where said admin was placing his personal speculation about GRRM's opinions of D&D's adaptation into a non-talk page similar to how a tabloid might write it.
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<blockquote>"This implies the startling possibility that Benioff and Weiss simply didn't tell Martin that they had so drastically altered the reasons behind Tyrion's murder of Tywin. Either that, or even when Martin was directly asked "why did Tyrion kill Tywin in the TV series's season finale?", he disagreed so strongly with the change that he refused to acknowledge it by proceeding to describe Tywin's death as it occurred in the books. "</blockquote>
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[[The Children]]
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Thanks for listening. --[[User:Padenton|Padenton]] ([[User talk:Padenton|talk]]) 05:59, August 6, 2014 (UTC)
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(sigh)
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I will reword the "The Children" article because yes, there is a chance that EW was just misrepresenting the "context" of GRRM's statements.
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Wait...were you upset that the article compares the book and TV version of Tywin's death....or more specifically, that you felt I misinterpreted the Entertainment Weekly article? Because if you felt I misinterpreted a specific point, fine.
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--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 06:36, August 6, 2014 (UTC)
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== Vandal ==
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http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/75.137.251.78 has made a spam page on the Wiki, I assume you can deal with this? [[User:Zippertrain85|Lord Heisenberg of House White]] ([[User talk:Zippertrain85|talk]]) 21:07, August 19, 2014 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 21:07, August 19, 2014

Talk page archives
  1. May 2011 - May 2012
  2. May 2012 - December 2012
  3. January 2013 - December 2013


Splitting up the creature templatesEdit

I strongly feel that it is a mistake to break up the creature templates. You, I, and other regulars know how to find pages on these different topics - but a major library science principle is to remember that casual users do not even know exactly what they're looking for. Only rarely will they type a proper noun into a search engine. Thus the creature templates are a vital navigation tool, "access points" for people who are casual viewers and browsing their way through information.

I would argue to restore it as it was (mirroring how AWOIAF has one big template for everything). At the very least, I think there should only be a division between sentient beings versus animals (of all kinds) and plants. I also don't think that the Free Folk clans template should be separate from the "peoples" template. Non-human sapient races are also a concern. I strongly feel that separating the templates will harm navigation for casual viewers.

On a separate question...was it ever established that the Hill tribes belong under the "First Men" subdivision? I sort of assumed they may be remnants of the First Men of the Vale driven to the hills, but was their origin ever established in the books? For all we know they're part of the same Andal/First Men mix as everyone else (we've heard no mention of their religious practices, for example).--The Dragon Demands (talk) 21:23, January 8, 2014 (UTC)

I agree that I may have been a little extreme with the divisions. the truth is the only thing I found weird is having ine the same template a division of human cultures and ghost grass.
As for the Free Folk, since the Free Folk are descended of the First Men I found it weird to have them separate from the mini list that includes Northmen and Crannogmen.
Perhaps we can find a middle ground: one template for human cultures and another for all living beings, including a link to a "Humans" article that gives a little overview to humans in GoT setting and links to the different cultures.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 02:42, January 9, 2014 (UTC)
Regarding the Hill tribes, I think I have made the same assumption because, based on what little we know of them, their culture is more similar to that of the Free Folk and the Northern mountain clans (clan-based organization, raid-based economy, strenght-based leadership) than to the "more civilized" Andals.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 02:42, January 9, 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, I originally put "Free Folk" separately in order to show its subdivisions...how best to portray the three-level subdivision of "First Men-->Free Folk-->Thenn"?
Yes, I think we should make it only two templates: one for humans, one for all animals/creatures/plants. Where do we put non-human races? I think they should be with humans - and that the divide should be based on "sapient" or not. I'm still not sure about the Hill Tribes given that we know so little about them, but I could go either way.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 02:51, January 9, 2014 (UTC)

Alton and Cynda Lannister Edit

So they are different Lannisters? who happen to share the same name with the real Lannisters? Nazul Rostello (talk) 12:50, January 15, 2014 (UTC)

Starks to StannisEdit

Why the shift from the Starks to Stannis?

(I do really like Stannis, in both the books and TV series. An added bonus is that he's actually part Targaryen. When all is done I hope Daenerys leaves Shireen in charge of the Stormlands).--The Dragon Demands (talk) 04:20, January 20, 2014 (UTC)

Because the Starks are scattered... for now.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 04:23, January 20, 2014 (UTC)
You can still defiantly make your official support for the Starks, much as Brynden Tully's garrison at Riverrun and the Blackwoods at Raventree are doing.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 04:24, January 20, 2014 (UTC)

Our WikisEdit

Hello! I was wondering, if you would consider having an affiliation w each other? I am the new Reign wiki. :) I love this show so hard and would love to be added on. As you would be added to my page of course. --~ Lorisa! (talk) 01:05, February 1, 2014 (UTC)

Administrator QueenBuffy usually handles Wikia affiliation stuff, she can help you out.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 04:09, February 1, 2014 (UTC)

...I never saw this!! kk, thanks! :)

Locations categoryEdit

Things such as "Winterfell" are categorized as "Locations in the North", but currently are not put in the general category "Locations". Should such locations be in both? "Winterfell: Locations in the North, Locations"? Or, is the "Locations" category meant to be an upper-level organization of the other categories, "Locations in the North", "Locations in the Reach", etc.?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 23:36, February 4, 2014 (UTC)

I have taken the task to add everything in "locations" as well as their respective places. I stopped because of your conversation with Werthead. We must choose between "locations" and "geography".--Gonzalo84 (talk) 02:46, February 17, 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for the rules. 

Queen of the Weirds (talk) 09:00, February 17, 2014 (UTC)Queen of the WeirdsQueen of the Weirds (talk) 09:00, February 17, 2014 (UTC)

Baratheons' Targaryen relationship from Histories & LoreEdit

Ugh. Check out: Robert's Rebellion (Histories & Lore) -- Varys and Littlefinger.

It says Robert Baratheon had Targaryen blood "through his mother."

As I explain there, in the books Rhaelle Targaryen was his father Steffon's mother -- and Rhaelle was the sister of Jaehaerys II, cut from the show.

The other option we suspected was that the TV continuity used Steffon's blood relationship to Orys Baratheon to justify Robert's claim to the throne...though Orys was never officially acknowledged.

At first I was frumious about this new revelation.

Now I'm starting to think it's not as crazy as it sounds: If they removed Jaehaerys II's generation, perhaps it was a simple matter of making Robert's mother a Targaryen, instead of his grandmother.

In which case Cassana Baratheon gets retconned out of existence (not that it matters much, she died in the shipwreck with Steffon long ago).

Nonetheless we're still not sure exactly how Robert's Targaryen mother would fit into the family tree: Aegon V's sister? TV-Aegon V's daughter, and thus sister to the Mad King?

This was probably the biggest info to come out of the Histories & Lore Season 3 (well that, and I think Joffrey sort of implied that he raped Tommen).--The Dragon Demands (talk) 16:15, February 19, 2014 (UTC)


Orys having Targaryen blood was implied in the "House Baratheon" featurette. The new "Through his mother" doesn't neccessarily imply Robert's mother was Rhaelle, only that his mother had Targaryen blood. As for Tommen I don't think Joffrey raped him but still subjected him to physical abuse.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 18:22, February 19, 2014 (UTC)

Well, Orys becomes a moot point if they say his mother had Targaryen blood. But if she wasn't Rhaelle, who was she? A new composite character?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:32, February 19, 2014 (UTC)

Occam's Razor: Cassana Baratheon had some Targaryen blood.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 18:42, February 19, 2014 (UTC)
Sorry I haven't been able to help out with the Season 3 Histories & Lore as much as I wanted -- once again, my ongoing work on my thesis is in very bad shape and eating up most of my time. I can only pop in for some of the major stuff, not thoroughly combing through everything. If I don't finish this and my language comps by May I'm not going to get my degree.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 16:49, February 23, 2014 (UTC)

​Targaryen KingsEdit

Hey, could you please read my blog post with the image of the Targaryen kings and tell me what you think? Much appreciated. Greater Good 14:37, February 20, 2014 (UTC)

Garden of Bones Edit

I'm concerned that someone has added information to the plot summary of Garden of Bones that does not happen in the episode. In describing the scene where Joffrey orders Ros to beat the prostitute, someone wrote: "While clearly remorseful for the girls' injuries, Tyrion refuses to let Joffrey bully him or others around." No such event occurs in the episode. In 2013 another IP actually removed a similar statement, but then someone put it back. Summaries should accurately describe the episode as broadcast, otherwise it harms the reliability of the wiki. It's possible there might be a deleted or extended scene - or perhaps the incident is referenced in a later episode where such a scene occurs - but I just watched the episode and it isn't in there. Anyway, I wanted to give you the heads up because if someone is adding either false info, or injecting info from future episodes (or perhaps even the books) that's probably a no-no. 68.146.70.124 15:50, February 21, 2014 (UTC)

...that isn't "vandalism", that's just "opinionated and skewed interpretation". It happens literally every day on wikis. Literally every hour, really. That's the constant struggle to maintain quality. Generically, yes, we know we need quality control checks on past episode reviews, but there is much work to do. Thank you for removing it though, it was not a good interpretation of what happened. If you want to actively help you should probably make a free account to help out.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 16:47, February 23, 2014 (UTC)

Wikia Game of Thrones Review Videos Edit

Hi! I work in marketing for Wikia -- highlighting cool things that our communities are doing around anticipated entertainment. 

We've got something fun planned around the return of Game of Thrones and I wondered if you might want to be a part of it. We're producing a short video each week that contrasts fan reactions to the series with a TV critic's reaction -- the idea is to capture the enthusiasm of the community here, and have a little fun back and forth.

I can give ya more details! If this sounds like something you might be interested in, give me a shout on my wall or email brian@wikia-inc.com. Thanks! Brian@Wikia 15:18, February 28, 2014 (UTC)

Hi Brian. I'm quite busy these months so I can't commit to this. Besides, these marketing Wikia things are QueenBuffy's territory.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 19:22, February 28, 2014 (UTC)

Jaime sends his regardsEdit

The actors were confused about that line? When did they explain this, in the Blu-ray commentary? What exactly was said?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 21:39, March 5, 2014 (UTC)

In the bluray extras about "The Rains of Castamere" they explain that the scripts originally said "Jaime Lannister sends his regards" and even Nikolaj was confused and asked if Jaime really was part of the conspiracy.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 22:02, March 5, 2014 (UTC)

Brackets for Dead characters warning templateEdit

This has been happening frequently enough that I put together a quick template warning, so we don't have to waste time writing up individual explanations each time this happens: http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Template:BracketsSignifyDeadCharacters

I based it on the last warning you gave.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 15:39, March 14, 2014 (UTC)

I agree. It will save us some time.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 15:45, March 14, 2014 (UTC)

Redwyne and RenlyEdit

Please give a quote for what the Season 2 Blu-ray says about House Redwyne: [1] --The Dragon Demands (talk) 23:24, March 12, 2014 (UTC)

There are no quotes about House Redwyne whatsoever.--Gonzalo84

But your edit I linked says:

"Unlike what's stated by the Season 2 bluray, in the books House Redwyne doesn't declare for Renly during the early stages of the War of the Five Kings because Queen Cersei Lannister holds the twin sons of Lord Paxter hostage. They do join their Tyrell liege lords in aiding the Lannister army in the Battle of the Blackwater."

--The Dragon Demands (talk) 13:40, March 14, 2014 (UTC)

Oh, about that. The bluray shows the Redwyne sigils as Renly's supporters in the War of the Five Kings special feature.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 13:56, March 14, 2014 (UTC)

Pleasure HouseEdit

The term "pleasure house" has been used on the TV series, but I think it might be better to merge it into the "prostitution" article with a redirect. Also, do they only call them "pleasure houses" in Essos? I thought Westeros had "brothels".--The Dragon Demands (talk) 20:47, March 14, 2014 (UTC)

I wasn't sure that they were called "pleasure houses" excluvisely in Essos. I created the Pleasure house article because of its association with slavery more than the "free women" in the brothels of Westeros.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 21:36, March 14, 2014 (UTC)

Culture infoboxEdit

On the culture infobox, some are "feudal-based" (Northerners, Andals, Dornish, ironborn) while others are clan-based (Hill-tribes). What should we do for some groups who are technically clan-based, but who use "House" designations as a formality? The Northern hill tribes haven't been introduced yet, but the book makes it a point that while they're more "clans" than "Houses", they're "civilized" and function as miniature Houses, treated with respect by being called "House Norrey" to be polite, etc. For the moment, we do have a similar problem with the Crannogmen: they live as basically clans, and hunt instead of farming, but they are formally organized and recognized as "Houses".--The Dragon Demands (talk) 21:10, March 14, 2014 (UTC)

I think they should remain in "clan-based" as well.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 21:39, March 14, 2014 (UTC)

I think that, specifically for the crannogmen now but later the Northern hill tribes, we should list them as "clan-based" but in the article mention that "they're clan-based but are extended the dignity of being called Houses".--The Dragon Demands (talk) 01:25, March 15, 2014 (UTC)

R'hllor typo in "The Climb"Edit

Did the Blu-ray release fix that typo in the subtitles for "The Climb" which misspelled the FIRST AND ONLY TIME that R'hllor has appeared on-screen?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 19:05, March 15, 2014 (UTC)

Haven't bought the bluray yet.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 05:13, March 17, 2014 (UTC)

Back from ThesisEdit

I stopped regularly editing about two weeks ago on February 14th to finally finish my thesis. I'll be catching up in the next few hours.

While I still have language comp tests, my thesis is finished - no more being driven crazy by it. More on this later.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 00:27, March 10, 2014 (UTC)

Misbehaving templates Edit

Sorry it's taken me a while to get around to this; I've sent a report to Wikia's maintenance team, so we should get a diagnosis and hopefully a solution in the next few days.--The-Boy 12:24, March 18, 2014 (UTC)

It's been going on for weeks and even Wikipedia.org is having problems; but nothing will happen if we don't complain.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:15, March 18, 2014 (UTC)

"Southerner"Edit

I don't think we should use "Southerner" as an official term too much, specifically not in infoboxes. As the article explains, it's actually a fairly vague term, sometimes just meaning "not Northmen" (including Ironborn?); very loosely, "Southerner" can even apply to Dorne. So I think it is better to list people like Tywin Lannister or Catelyn Stark as "Andal" (yes they have some First Men blood, but they're mostly Andal, culturally Andal).

What culture do we put down for House Blackwood? They do...behave, as Andals.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 19:29, March 18, 2014 (UTC)

You're right... Andal may be more fitting. As for the Blackwoods they can remain Andals.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 19:45, March 18, 2014 (UTC)

Stark children religionEdit

What should we put down for the Stark children under the "religion" spot in their infoboxes? It was an interfaith family. Jon Snow specifically said he follows the Old Gods - probably given that he was influenced by Eddard but Catelyn had nothing to do with him. Bran...apparently, just worships the Old Gods, also strongly influenced by his father? And Rickon was influenced by Bran more than Catelyn before she left. Arya of course has the God of Death thing going on, but we have that covered.

I sort of got the feeling that the girls were more influenced by Catelyn than the boys were. In any case, in the books, what was the religion of Robb and Sansa? Robb seemed more Old Gods like his father - yeah the TV show cheated a bit by having him married by a Septon, but Cogman's rationalization made enough sense; he was raised in an interfaith household, fairly open to both, he might have just liked the ceremony or no one else was available. Sansa is a bigger concern: very much her mother's daughter, does she pray to the Old Gods at all? I mean I know she goes to a godswood to pray at times but that might just have been an excuse to get away from everyone.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 15:13, March 19, 2014 (UTC)

In the books Sansa finds solace in the Old Gods as a way to reconect with her dead father, and because the godswood is mostly empty. The closest we've got in the series is when she's praying by the tree stump and she's approached by Margaery, but we don't know if that's the Red Keep's godswood. --Gonzalo84 (talk) 22:16, March 19, 2014 (UTC)

Peoples templateEdit

http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Peoples

I'm straightening up the Essos section; I added a subheader about the Free Cities.

How should we handle the rest? Particularly the Rhoynar and Valyrians? I'm not sure if we should say they're "extinct" or something...the Rhoynar survived as the Dornish, and the modern Free Cities do have Valyrian blood in them (thinned out, but particularly Lys and the aristocracy of Volantis) and also the Targaryens.

Also, should we make a division between "Central Essos" and "Eastern Essos" (Qarth and Asshai) or would this make the template needlessly complicated and long?

Most importantly, how are we handling the article on "Ghiscari"? Is this about the ancient "Ghiscari" of the old Ghiscari Empire, or about the peoples of Slaver's Bay in the present? (much as "Rhoynar" and "Dornish" are two separate things).--The Dragon Demands (talk) 19:25, March 19, 2014 (UTC)

Unlike Rhoynar and Dornish, there is only one name for both ancient Ghiscari and modern Ghiscari, so the "Ghiscari" article should include both peoples, the "pure" Ghiscari of the "Old Empire" and the mongrel Ghiscari of modern Slaver's Bay and New Ghis.

The show won't cover much of the eastern Essos, I don't think we'll ever see Asshai or Yi Ti, and the show hasn't even mentioned their people the way the novels did, so I think we shouldn't do much divisions.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 21:38, March 19, 2014 (UTC)

Bethany Ryswell and Bolton family treeEdit

I want to remake the Bolton family tree to resemble the one on AWOIAF (removing the unnamed miller's wife) - to include Bethany Ryswell. I'm fairly certain that Season 4 will eventually explain who Domeric Bolton was and that his mother was Bethany Ryswell, and we have heard mention of Domeric -- but at this point there's been no in-universe material about it, so would it be getting ahead of ourselves to update the family tree just now? Maybe we should wait until an episode mentions it?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 17:02, March 20, 2014 (UTC)

I think we should add Domeric, with his mother being referred to as "Lady Bolton (Deceased)".--Gonzalo84 (talk) 17:16, March 20, 2014 (UTC)

Progress Edit

Okay, I've made some progress with investigating the issue with the family tree templates; apparently it's nothing to do with Wikia, but is being caused by Google Chrome itself! I've checked the pages in Firefox, and they work fine, so that does indeed seem to be the case. The technician I spoke to from Wikia said that the guys on the Fallout Wiki experienced the same problem, and liaised with Google to fix it, so it looks like we're going to have to do that. They're still working on fixing the title blacklist for us.--The-Boy 21:22, March 20, 2014 (UTC)

The weird thing is that some trees look good... like the House Stark one

Oh, I didn't realise that the Jon Connington article was written by Greater good; an admin. The title blacklist doesn't prevent admins for creating pages, just regular users. That being said, there shouldn't be anything wrong with it. I'll be contacting the Fallout Wiki admins later today to find out how they fixed their rogue templates.--The-Boy 10:55, March 23, 2014 (UTC)

Edit Reverted Edit

Why did you undo my edit on all the pages I edited? That corrected a sentences and added more information? In addition, you gave no reason for that what so ever. It's very frustrating to have all of your work undone and not even get proper reason for why. So, if you could tell me that would be great. Zippertrain85 (talk) 15:26, March 21, 2014 (UTC)


'More' information sometimes is not necessary. I followed the old saying: "if it ain't broken, don't fix it.

  • Theon: redundant. And mentioning the castration way ahead of time alters the mood of the summary, that should go from the 'generic' torture, then the mind games, then more mind games, the castration, and the renaming into 'Reek'.
  • House Targaryen: If we place "unknown" in the founder section we should add 'unknown' to each article on a house without known founder. Its moot and, again, redundant. You also made a change so 'the East' became 'the Essos'
  • If you see, we try to avoid the term 'Humans' because its never used in the show.
  • In 'Mhysa', to be honest I undid your edit because I wanted to rewrite some parts. If you see I also altered: "Sandor 'The Hound' Clegane" because such wording is never employed in the show.

--Gonzalo84 (talk) 16:39, March 21, 2014 (UTC)

You didn't "correct" the sentences, you simply reworded them to your liking - without adding new information. Or, when you did add new information, it was too redundant.

Specific example Gonzalo84 already mentioned: The first part of "Theon Season 3" should contain the summary "Theon is tortured by Ramsay"...then describe in chronological order what happened. Instead, you inserted "including cutting off his fingers and castrating him"...which is redundant with the body of the section itself.

Putting "unknown" into the templates for "Founder"...was not "actual work". You only just joined and don't know how templates work; we'd have explained this if you asked. We leave founder blank if "we the audience" don't know who it was, but the characters within the narrative know who the founders of their Houses were.

As Gonzalo84 pointed out, we don't use "humans" on here; no one in the books or TV series uses "humans", they say "people", because non-human races are incredibly rare and believed extinct - and when they DO discuss say, the White Walkers, they talk about the "threat to the realms of men" not "humans".

I myself use "Sandor 'The Hound' Clegane" when first introducing him in an article, just so casual fans know what we're talking about, but I wouldn't use it repeatedly.

"All of your work" was 11 edits. That isn't that many reversions. The edits were not targeted because you made them or something, but judged on a case by case basis.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 19:31, March 22, 2014 (UTC)

ArdilaunEdit

I just gave Ardilaun a one week temp ban for several problems, which I have explained on his talk page. I really need you to weigh in on this. I hope I handled this well but if you disagree I will defer to your decision.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 02:10, March 23, 2014 (UTC)

Tommen and Dean-Charles Chapman Articles Edit

Now that it's confirmed that Chapman is playing Tommen, can those articles be unlocked so they can be updated?  Thanks.  TheUnknown285 (talk) 19:16, March 23, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for getting on that so quickly, Dragon Demands. Can you also unlock the Chapman article? Thanks. TheUnknown285 (talk) 19:32, March 23, 2014 (UTC)

"Must Watch" Videos Edit

This unsightly blemish has made a reappearance on some pages today. I want to complain to Wikia directly, and make it clear that we want this thing gone before S4 premiers. Just making sure we are all of one mind regarding this?--The-Boy 13:47, March 25, 2014 (UTC)

It showed up again a few days ago. I completely agree with you.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 15:58, March 25, 2014 (UTC)

How "Objects" category worksEdit

"Books" are a subcategory of "Objects". Does a single Book article, such as "Book of Brothers", get both the "Books" and "Objects" categories added to it, or just the "Books" category? The book articles are not currently consistent on this.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 03:20, April 1, 2014 (UTC)

Hmmm I'll defer to your judgment.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 05:44, April 1, 2014 (UTC)
Well, currently, "Arya Stark" is in the "Characters from the North" category but not the wider "Characters from Westeros" category, and "Syrio Forel" is in "Characters from Braavos" but not "Characters from Essos". It stands to reason that "Books" alone is enough for a Book article, not both "Books" and "Objects".--The Dragon Demands (talk) 05:49, April 1, 2014 (UTC)

RED ALERT: HBO Viewer's Guide has been rebuilt from scratchEdit

https://twitter.com/westerosorg/status/451098779811598336

The HBO Viewer's Guide has been rebuilt from the ground up. As Westeros.org pointed out, it is very "Web 3.0" -- blatantly designed for use on iPhones more than ease of use on laptops. You have to scroll down using a mousewheel, instead of convenient browser bars....at the least, it functions more smoothly than Season 2's did in some parts (The Appendix stopped working when Season 3 premiered and continued that way until this week). Well, the navigation is a little weird (obviously meant for iPhone scrolling) but not the worst in the world once you get a feel for it.

Let me be clear: they retroactively revised the entire thing, Seasons 1, 2, and 3.

I remember when the updated Viewer's Guide for Season 3 was released; it was the same day that Season 3 premiered, and it was a little buggy for a few days while they refined it. I'm hoping the problems I have with it now will thus be smoothed over in the next week.

They have gutted all of the secondary noble House heraldry. The Karstarks, the Reynes, etc. all of that is gone.

The map has been completely updated from scratch. It's pretty ugly now, actually. An added feature is that you can zoom in on it now for more information points which don't appear in the worldview.

Again, maybe this is buggyness due to the new rollout: there is no "Season 3" homepage, at the moment you have to access everything episode by episode.

A good point I guess is that all of those "Inside the Episode" HBO-Go videos are now offered FOR FREE in the Viewer's Guid, in a convenient menu for each episode. So they've got that going for them.

Unfortunately, they continue to use the map which is not the same as Lands: actually it's fairly close up until Vaes Dothrak and Qarth, but afterwards it shows the Jade Sea as extending north when it actually extends south in Lands of Ice and Fire. Also, certain locations such as Bayasabhad have simply disappeared.

It's also odd that they don't list Oldtown on a map at all. Norvos and Qohor are also gone....even from the Season 1 episode 4 page, when Jorah even specifically says "I'm going to Qohor but will catch up in a few days."

One of the bigger problems is that THEY DO NOT HAVE A MASTER LIST OF HOUSES. Maybe because I'm stuck in episode-by-episode mode now.

But I think their concern was that complete noob TV-only viewers who get very confused would lost track of all of the Houses if they were in a big list -- such as, why include House Arryn in a list all the time? Fair enough.

So what they do is only list the major Houses "featured" in a given episode. I.e. they don't put an icon linking to "House Tully" or "House Greyjoy". Now Tully and Greyjoy pages DO exist, they just streamlined the menu to only show those important in a given episode (which do rotate throughout the season). Again, there was some justification in this because they list the "featured" ones.

I'm probably being too harsh; it's because I'm locked-in under a specific episode. They haven't finished making the "Season 3 homepage" which probably lists all of them.

At any rate the above are fairly minor problems: though I wonder, if they were redrawing the map FROM SCRATCH, making an entirely new drawing of the map, why bother to continue to recopy the incorrect one from Seasons 2-3? It's not as if the TV show itself got contracted by anything east of Vaes Dothraki or Qarth!

So the navigation is a bit annoying with the slider, though you adapt to that, and in any case they haven't finished the main page (why wouldn't they have a family tree for the Karstarks?)--The Dragon Demands (talk) 23:29, April 1, 2014 (UTC)

Anyway it's a good thing we've had plenty of time to pick the viewer's guide clean for heraldry that doesn't appear anywhere else.

One big complaint is that....it doesn't easily distinguish between the rival sub-branches of "House Baratheon". You see the old Season 3 one had a homepage with each king on it, a nice big picture of each king along with it, and actually titled "The King on the Iron Throne" or "The King in the Narrow Sea".

The new one lists each of these by a House name, but with maybe limited space or something, EACH is called just "House Baratheon".

Going back to early Season 2, there are actually three icons that say simply "House Baratheon" - though they do have each of the three different sets of heraldry. Titles such as "The King in the Narrow Sea" are used only as subheaders.

Why not just call them "House Baratheon of King's Landing" and "House Baratheon of Dragonstone"?

Anyway there were a few errors here and there:

"Aegon Targaryen" is mispelled "Aegon Targaryena" with an accent (probably a typo)

The "House Tyrell" page's family tree uses the "House Baratheon of King's Landing" heraldry for Renly Baratheon! [2] (probably just a simple mistake; they do use his correct heraldry on the Season 2 House Tyrell page: http://viewers-guide.hbo.com/game-of-thrones/season-2/episode-3/houses/11/house-tyrell

But now they give different quotes for each character's bio page which update each season (different quote for Jon Snow Season 1 and Jon Snow Season 2).

I do find it extremely offensive that someone chose for Loras's Season 3 bio pagequote, "A sword-swallower through and through" -- even if limited to season 3 quotes, wouldn't Sansa's "He's quite a fighter" from "Kissed by Fire" been much more appropriate? The quote they picked was crass (I lampshade that Olenna was just being very blunt in private).

The House Frey family tree was already a mess on the season 3 site, we'll wait until Season 4 updates (this revision to seasons 1-3 was mostly....cosmetic. Didn't change info really).

Only points of note from the Appendices are that it states the Alchemists' Guildhall is under Rhaenys's Hill, and have an entry for the Iron Bank of Braavos (they don't use possessive S with words that end in "S" like Stannis, but I've checked and the books do....for a long time I thought it was the other way around, but I'm slowly fixing this as I encounter it on the wiki).

Otherwise, they didn't update to include Martyn or Willem Lannister (again, neither did the older version). They *did* add in some better photos of Shireen Baratheon, who was barely featured with a fuzzy earlier photo in the original Season 3 Viewer's Guide.

We have one massive problem: The people who wrote the Viewer's Guide update now list her as "Sansa Lannister" in both the Lannister and Stark pages.

Yeah.

I say we should just plain ignore that - they also mis-use "Cersei Baratheon" instead of "Cersei Lannister" etc. I think we shouldn't assume the TV continuity is different on her name from this supplementary thing alone.....wait until on-screen dialogue says it or not in the Season 4 premiere.

I mean, the same Viewer's Guide under "Talisa Maegyr" spells it as "Volantine"...with an "i", instead of "Volantene".

So major changeups to the Viewer's Guide.

MAYBE this will improve when they have the actual Season 3 homepage done, which will list all.

And I do hope they update completely new info for Season 4. --The Dragon Demands (talk) 23:43, April 1, 2014 (UTC)

The House Stark family tree lists Sansa as Sansa Stark.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 00:01, April 2, 2014 (UTC)
Greatjon Umber is called Jon "Greatjon" Umber.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 00:05, April 2, 2014 (UTC)
Truth be told, the mistakes of the Viewer's Guide are of little concern to me. Remember how we corrected them once?--Gonzalo84 (talk) 00:22, April 2, 2014 (UTC)
Eh, the mistakes weren't major. I just like picking over them. The "Sansa Lannister" thing was the only real point of note so far. Wait, when did we correct them?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 00:27, April 2, 2014 (UTC)
There was a mention in the appendix that Rodrik Greyjoy died trying to assault King's Landing. Someone here, I don't remember who, told Werthead, he got in contact with HBO and HBO fixed the appendix.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 00:47, April 2, 2014 (UTC)
Walder Frey is also now Lord Paramount of the Trident, and Roose Bolton is Lord of Winterfell...--The-Boy 11:23, April 2, 2014 (UTC)
Perhaps we could have Werthead contact Cogman and clarify if he had any input in the Viewer's Guide.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 14:40, April 2, 2014 (UTC)
Well I've been asking Werthead to try to contact Cogman for months to take a look at the Cargo Cult, that hasn't worked out yet.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 16:18, April 2, 2014 (UTC)
In this instance I think it was probably intentional. With Littlefinger up to his elbows in the Vale's power play it makes sense to just give the Riverlands to the Freys, for simplicity's sake. It was hinted at in the "Histories and Lore" segment for them, with Catelyn wondering out loud if Walder's delay in reaching the Trident was a deliberate ploy to aid Rhaegar's forces in destroying the Tullys.--The-Boy 16:29, April 2, 2014 (UTC)

POW symbolEdit

The prisoner symbol used in the battle infoboxes doesn't really show up well in the actual articles: Captured.png

Viewed within an article I don't think readers can tell it has a chain attached to it.

I think we should replace this with simply writing "POW", as readers are simply more familiar with this.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 05:13, April 3, 2014 (UTC)

Alright, go ahead.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 05:20, April 3, 2014 (UTC)

Institutes vs OrganizationsEdit

We never really well-defined the difference between "Institutions" and "Organizations" so to make things easier to find I've just removed the Institutions category entirely.

A separate problem: "Organizations" has subcategories, like "Military organizations" and "Religious organizations".

How were we handling this? Does the "Kingsguard" article get the category tags for both "Military organizations" and "Organizations" added to it?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 13:19, April 3, 2014 (UTC)

Well, like "Characters" and "Season 1 characters"... or locations. They belong in both categories I think.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 14:49, April 3, 2014 (UTC)

I did this to aid navigation: as for other things like "Red Priest" or "King", those fit in under "Titles". Anything that's an "Institution" but not an "Organization", I think, is inherently a "Title". "Grand Maester" for example is a title within an organization, not a separate "institution". The definitions were too vague, and it actually makes it easier to find them if they're all under one big category of "Organization".--The Dragon Demands (talk) 16:39, April 3, 2014 (UTC)

Locations vs GeographyEdit

We need to get this sorted out: http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:The_Dragon_Demands#Locations_category

The way AWOIAF does this is that everything is under the overall heading "Geography", while "Oldtown" goes under "Places in the Reach".

Do you prefer "Geography" or "Locations"?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 16:58, April 3, 2014 (UTC)

I like Geography more... it has a more "in-universe" feel... while we are at this, I must tell you I'll be rather busy these days. I'll mostly come in to create new articles following each episode and make my trademark conjecture articles whenever a possible book character shows up but isn't mentioned by name.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 19:47, April 3, 2014 (UTC)
Ostensibly I've got language tests to prep for as well, I just feel like I don't have control on anything if I at least don't have some here. My goal of rewatching Seasons 1 to 3 start to finish has obviously been abandoned, but I hope to at least keep pace starting in Season 4. QueenBuffy said she might miss all of Season 4 without an HBO account; will you be less busy at some point?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 20:10, April 3, 2014 (UTC)
In two weeks I'll be more free.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 20:13, April 3, 2014 (UTC)
Similar situation on my end, really.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 20:15, April 3, 2014 (UTC)

Two SwordsEdit

Will you open "Two Swords" right after it airs? Thanks.Mesmermann (talk) 20:05, April 6, 2014 (UTC)

Season 4 premiereEdit

Think of it: only 2 hours until Season 4 begins. Then the floodgates open. To say nothing of the horde of vandals, the massive amount of new work, we'll have dozens or even hundreds of random editors coming on making sloppy edits.

This will consume us, as you remember back in Season 3.

Good to be alongside you guys trying to handle this oncoming horde.

Have no illusions: not all of us will make it through premiere night alive.

The enemy is at the gates.

He who stands with me shall be my brother.

--The Dragon Demands (talk) 23:09, April 6, 2014 (UTC)

I stand ready my brother. Let's open the gates--Gonzalo84 (talk) 02:05, April 7, 2014 (UTC)

Ack. So many people were trying to login to HBO Go for the premiere that there was massive lag and I only managed to finish watching it by midnight. I did keep handwritten notes though, updating now...--The Dragon Demands (talk) 14:59, April 7, 2014 (UTC)

SansaEdit

Given that Jaime calls her "Sansa Lannister" in the Season 1 premiere, you think that we might move the page at this time?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 17:53, April 7, 2014 (UTC)

Not really, it would be like moving Cersei or Margaery to "Baratheon". --Gonzalo84 (talk) 18:31, April 7, 2014 (UTC)
I meant "wink wink, nudge nudge" not for long. --The Dragon Demands (talk) 19:25, April 7, 2014 (UTC)

Tower of JoyEdit

The pages of the Book of Brothers which are visible actually establish how Arthur Dayne and the other Kingsguard died at the Tower of Joy.

Do that thing which must be done.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 19:25, April 7, 2014 (UTC)

I'm taking a language test today, I will catch up tomorrow if I pass. If not I will be vanquished.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 11:56, April 8, 2014 (UTC)

Good look my friend. In the meantime I'll make a vague article titled "Showdown in the Red Mountains" without spoiling too much from the books.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 16:02, April 8, 2014 (UTC)

Season 4 page protection Edit

Hi Gonzalo. Any chance of either updating the season 4 page now that Two Swords has aired or reducing the protection on the Season 4 page to registered users so one of us can do it. Things like updating the cast who have been on screen, moving Diana Rigg back to guest cast  (since she apparently wasn't promoted as expected), puting in the image for Two Swords and the viewers rating (6.64 million according to wikipedia, wow). Nothing too major but it would be nice to fix it up a little. Rachel P 22:37, April 8, 2014 (UTC)

Also remove the TBC from the Season 5 link. It has been now commissioned along with Season 6. :)

Upcoming Community Videos Edit

Hi!

I'm Brian and I work with Wikia. I'd like to talk to you about a bit of video programming we have planned for the Game of Thrones community, and maybe being a part of it. Would you mind dropping me a line on my wall or by email at brian@wikia-inc.com when you have a sec? Thanks!!

--Brian@Wikia 18:02, April 9, 2014 (UTC)

Dropping by to say hi Ashley Brown (talk) 08:45, April 13, 2014 (UTC)

Rconley1Edit

I want to ban RConley1 (http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Rconley1?diff=128209&oldid=128208) - he's being very disruptive, has no idea how our spoilers policy works, and he hasn't actually contributed anything. He's been "harassing the Admins" enough and ignoring direct warnings that I suggest he just be banned outright. What do you think?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:23, April 20, 2014 (UTC)

I think it's a good idea to involve a neutral third party at this point. Here's my account of what has happened. First, TheDragonDemands perma-banned me for participating in an existing discussion about site spoiler policy. Then, after he unbanned me, I created an entirely factual account on my own talk page about what happened and invited him to either correct me on my version of the facts or to apologize. Instead, he has removed what I wrote and protected my profile and talk page. If those blocks are undone and TheDragonDemands leaves me alone, I make the following pledges:
1. I will never directly contact TheDragonDemands again.
​2. I will not advertise my documentation of his unilaterally perma-banning me.
3. If you can point me to a specific rule that forbids me from engaging in a discussion about site spoiler policy, I will follow the letter and the spirit of that rule.
4. I will strive to contribute usefully to the wiki in whatever way I can, given my limited knowledge. I write for a living and can often find grammatical mistakes, at least.
In addition, I'd like to express in good faith that I have voiced my opinion on the site's spoiler policy and I'm satisfied in that regard. I do not intend, at this point, to pursue the matter of spoiler policy any further. At this point, all I want is to be able to factually document, on my own talk page, what I believe to be a wrongful ban and harassment at the hands of TheDragonDemands. Thank you, and I'm sorry that this matter is now drawing in other admins. Rconley1 (talk) 19:10, April 20, 2014 (UTC)

You haven't actually contributed anything. Your sole purpose for coming onto here was to complain that we prominently say that Joffrey died on the front page - the rest has been days of effort to harass me.

Major question I have: you never had a Wikia account before. You never edited anything with the "RConley1" username, though you followed Admins from here to Downton Abbey Wiki, Buffy Wiki, to complain. A smarter man would have simply started over from scratch and picked a new screename, given that you haven't actually made any edits with your week old account. So why do you keep trying to have it unbanned? Wounded pride?

"Sorry this matter is now drawing in other Admins"? Liar. You attempted to contact Gonzalo84 days ago via the Buffy Wiki. You were the one who "dragged in other Admins".

Are you worth any of this? --The Dragon Demands (talk) 19:18, April 20, 2014 (UTC)

Your banning me, harassing me, and preventing me from factually documenting that ban and harassment on my own talk page are all unfair, and I wish for my user page to reflect all that until and unless you apologize.
am​ sorry that you are preventing me from discussing this matter in an appropriate place, ​such as my own talk page!
This would be over and you would never hear from me again if you could live with your unfair actions being written down on a lowly, unknown user's talk page, but apparently you can't. ​If you stand by what you've done, then why is it so important to you that my talk page not reflect that?? Rconley1 (talk) 19:27, April 20, 2014 (UTC)

You fail to understand: I told you I would unban your account, on the condition that you simply go back to regular editing, and never discuss your complaints about the spoiler policy again. Making a long list on your talk page saying you felt wrongly slighted at a temp ban...directly violated the order I gave you not to mention your original complaint. I erased this because I specifically ordered you not to write anything like that. Do you comprehend that you violated a direct order after promising that if I unbanned you, you would behave?

"this would be over"...."this"? You mean your harassment? You are in no position to negotiate or to make demands.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 19:40, April 20, 2014 (UTC)

Show me where I promised anything​ to you in exchange for undoing your wrongful ban. Show me. I specifically refused your offer over and over. Also, now you're calling your ban a "temp ban"? Really? You had every intention of making it permanent. You even banned my damn IP address like some spammer so that I couldn't create another account, forcing me to take my case to other wikis. Rconley1 (talk) 19:46, April 20, 2014 (UTC)

(Reading through your post against me)...you buffoon. You cited the time I asked for a group vote to ban LovelyChrys as an example of me "pioneering" the practice of permanently banning people from the cite? Major vandals? I'm not the first Admin to come up with the idea of permanently banning disruptive people.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 19:43, April 20, 2014 (UTC)

I said that because Opark77 said "we've never permanently banned a user" in response to your proposal to do exactly that. A reasonable deduction, I think, but I can remove that part if you want, even without specific proof that I'm wrong. Anything else you'd care to rebut? (I think we can both do without the name-calling, though.) BTW, I'm happy to continue this discussion on my own talk page, where it belongs, if you unprotect it.
Please consider my four specific pledges above, which I think give you the vast majority of what you want. All that will remain of this fiasco is a documentation of what you did to me on a talk page that probably no one will ever read. You can even have your own section to rebut my account of the facts. I really think the offer is quite reasonable. Rconley1 (talk) 20:09, April 20, 2014 (UTC)

I unbanned your account because you complained, but at the same time I left you with an admonishment that if you complained again about this I would ban you again.

Technically, you never overtly promised anything, but you tacitly functioned under this condition when I unbanned your account and warned you as such, hoping you would simply let the matter drop. Perhaps I was wrong to remove your original ban?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 19:57, April 20, 2014 (UTC)


"I said that because Opark77 said "we've never permanently banned a user" in response to your proposal to do exactly that."....he said that nearly TWO YEARS AGO. I wasn't even an Administrator at the time. Opark77 doesn't actively contribute to this wiki anymore. Do you actually bother to read through any of this?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 20:16, April 20, 2014 (UTC)
Rconley1 has done nothing to warrant a block of any duration, let alone a permanent ban. Also, it's completely unacceptable to prevent a user who isn't banned from editing their own talk and user page... much less to attempt to ruin the show for them by violating the very same spoiler policy that you're both arguing over on their own page. Pasting the spoiler policy onto his user page, and then locking it... insulting him... this is appalling behaviour, Dragon, and you of all people should know better.--The-Boy 20:45, April 20, 2014 (UTC)
Thank you very, very much. I really think that at this point, this is a personal vendetta for him. Rconley1 (talk) 20:59, April 20, 2014 (UTC)

Completely new users should not be allowed to harass the Admins like this. Gonzalo84, how do you stand on banning this guy?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 21:16, April 20, 2014 (UTC)

As far as I can tell, "harassment" in this case means carefully and factually documenting what has occurred on my own talk page. Rconley1 (talk) 21:26, April 20, 2014 (UTC)
He is not "harassing" you, and he will not be banned. Now, please draw a line under this sorry debacle. Rconley1, you're welcome to your opinions, but I'd encourage you to actively contribute if you want them to be taken seriously.--The-Boy 21:49, April 20, 2014 (UTC)

There has been some miscommunication here and I'm not entirely sure what RConley1 was actually intending; please see my comments on his talk page.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 22:03, April 20, 2014 (UTC)

That's fine. You both you should just call it quits and move on.--The-Boy 22:11, April 20, 2014 (UTC)
That's what I wanted to do. Posting "I just had an argument with mean Admin TDD" on his talk page seemed like he was needlessly opening old wounds.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 22:13, April 20, 2014 (UTC)
TDD has apologized for banning me and admitted that he mistook someone else's comments for mine. That's all I ever requested in order to take down my account of what happened, and so I have honored my promise, even though I think maybe this site would be well-served by documentation of the abuse to which I was subjected. My only hope is that the next person to cross his path is treated with a tiny bit more respect and consideration than they otherwise would receive due to my efforts here. Thank you, TDD, for your apology. I accept. Rconley1 (talk) 22:53, April 20, 2014 (UTC)

Alright, he has removed the material from his talk page. I am no longer urging that he be banned. All is well.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 22:57, April 20, 2014 (UTC)

Hello! My name is Sam and I just wanted to say that I am new to the Wiki, I am a huge GOT fan, And hope we can talk about it please message me back ;D


Samuel Stark

I was trying to edit Ygritte but it is protected. Season 3 addition: Thanks!

Kat "Stopping to rest and tend to his injuries after fleeing the wildlings, Jon Snow finds himself confronted by a furious Ygritte, who has an arrow ready to shoot him. Jon tries to talk Ygritte out of shooting him, insisting that he still loves her but that she should have known his loyalty to the Watch was never gone. Though his feelings are clearly reciprocated Ygritte is still angered by his betrayal and shoots Jon three times with her bow as he flees from her, watching him go with tears in her eyes."

​Hello Samuel, I will now add this new information to the Ygritte page. Create a account and you will be able to edit on more pages! :) -- The Snow Prince (talk) 21:20, April 21, 2014 (UTC)

​Bowen Marsh/Othell YarwyckEdit

[3]Greater Good 22:41, April 22, 2014 (UTC)

I suspect they realized that if Bowen Marsh was indeed in the expedition north of the Wall, he'd be dead - given that the TV version gives Jon, Sam, Grenn, and Dolorous Edd as the only survivors.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 00:35, April 27, 2014 (UTC)

Wiki acting slowEdit

I can't open history tabs to see history or Protect pages; images are displaying weird and fuzzy (or zoomed in), and contents menus aren't loading. Is anyone else having these problems?

I'm juggling a lot of tasks: my final language test to get my medieval degree is next week. This has slowed me down the past three weeks but I contributed what I could. What do you feel are the most important tasks to focus on right now?

I'll get back after midnight and try to fix up more things before then.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 00:35, April 27, 2014 (UTC)

I'm also having these problems in Chrome, but not Firefox. Wikia also keeps refusing to publish my edits... the editor just reloads with a message at the top saying "your changes haven't been saved", or something like that.--The-Boy 11:24, April 27, 2014 (UTC)
I'm having trouble with high quality images. They load in low quality.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 22:07, April 27, 2014 (UTC)

I've been gone for a few days because I had to take my last language test. I've passed everything, my thesis is finally done, it's all over. I now have a Master's degree in medieval history. I'll be back on the wiki more often now - I was barely around for the first four episodes of season 4, I'll try to catch up.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 03:39, May 2, 2014 (UTC)

Benioff and Weiss are consciously ignoring feedbackEdit

http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/05/04/game-of-thrones-ignore-internet/

I can sympathize with their point that "we don't read messageboards, because the comments are weighted to irate fanboys and might not reflect true feedback, or if only 1 out of 10 comments is negative it disproportionately affects your creative process later".

Well and good. But HOW LONG have we lived "with the internet" and viewer feedback. I'm not talking about pandering to messageboards....what about when *official reviews* by newspapers or Entertainment Weekly and such say "Talisa Maegyr was an incredibly dumb idea"? There was even a "roundtable of noteworthy reviewers and critics" organized by T. Sean Collins.

The hypocrisy of it all is that Bryan Cogman makes it a point to use twitter feedback now (starting again in Season 4), does fansite Q&A, etc.

The trick is....DO NOT randomly jump onto messageboard threads! Read the major critical reviews! If nothing else WEsteros.org's semi-authoritative reviews (albeit I never agree with them on the Tyrells).

The "trick" of "judging viewer response" is when something consistently pops up (again "Talisa isn't a good idea", or "female viewers are annoyed that you removed any political agency from Catelyn Stark and reduced her to whining about her babies instead of a tough as nails politician".

I have, of course, seen other TV series which disintegrated because they started pandering to the online rabid fanbase which didn't reflect reality (I remember how in late Battlestar Galatica, the show falling apart around them, the writers still found time to spur-of-the-moment insert messageboard in-jokes or tumblr gags....then act as if this meant they were "paying attention" to the concerns of the fanbase, ignoring how the rest of the series was spiraling out of control).

That's what I made the god-damned Cargo Cult for. That's why this is the business we have chosen for ourselves; the hope that pointing out factual things about the show on this wiki will in turn inform the larger fanbase as a whole. And with nearly 2 million hits a day since season 4 began, I really like to think that we're doing something.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 17:42, May 5, 2014 (UTC)

Joffrey Baratheon protection Edit

Joffrey Baratheon is protected even from established editors. I tried to make some tense corrections and couldn't. Alatari (talk) 08:02, May 8, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up. I'm glad to contribute.

Busy in first half of Season 4Edit

Ack, I'm back now. I was busy finishing my thesis and passing my Latin and French placement tests, but they're completely done now. I was also busy with preparing for graduation stuff this month (I will now hold a Master's degree in medieval History) - but I'm finally free to be on the wiki more; I did what I could, with the new front page navigation and stuff, but I've largely been in "standby mode" and I need to go back over the first five episodes worth of stuff.

We've been shorthanded for the workload (with QueenBuffy losing her HBO access, and Werthead...) so I'm starting by going into "see all edits" back through April 6th. Starting with "see only anonymous edits" (though there are something like 2,000 of those). Just to check for vandalism that slipped through the cracks.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 19:04, May 11, 2014 (UTC)

Sorry for my continued low activity: now that I've graduated (and hold a Master's degree in medieval History, yay!) I had to move into my new place. I've been pushing furniture around and unboxing the past few days. I will make use of the Memorial Day holiday weekend to catch up. Is there anything major that needs work immediately? There is quite a backlog and I was hoping Werthead would catch up on some of this stuff. Well, I at least kept the handwritten notes when I was watching the episodes; I'm going to have a rewatch maratheon.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 21:44, May 23, 2014 (UTC)

Images now have a "posted by" watermarkEdit

Why do thumbnail images now have a "posted by" watermark? This takes up additional space and loots a bit...garish.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 19:24, May 11, 2014 (UTC)

I have no idea.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 21:49, May 23, 2014 (UTC)

Yes, sorry about my sudden surge of photos. I just wanted to add some much needed updating to some of the various character pages in order to add depth. It was just bothering me for some odd reason, haha. I replaced the one File:Sansamarg photo with better cropping :) for some reason I was having trouble simply replacing the image. Again, sorry! MR.Flix (talk) 00:15, May 19, 2014 (UTC)

"From"Edit

How are we handling people who are "From" one place but live somewhere else? Missandei is "From" Naath, but also "From" Slaver's Bay because she's lived there a long time. Similarly Grey Worm was "from" the Summer Islands in the sense that he was taken as a baby in a slaving raid, but he grew up in Slaver's Bay. I thought it would aid navigation to just add both categories to an article.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 23:16, May 23, 2014 (UTC)

Well, I was following the example set by Xaro Xhoan Daxos article: just from the Summer Isles. He's listed as "Qartheen" because he's culturally a Qartheen. If we add Missandei and Grey Worm to "from Slaver's Bay", shouldn't we also add Dany to "from the Free Cities"?--Gonzalo84 (talk) 05:26, May 24, 2014 (UTC)
...Arguably, I actually think we should do that with Daenerys. The books don't exactly focus on it, but she's a lot more familiar with the Free Cities than she is with Westeros.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 19:33, May 24, 2014 (UTC)

Joss StilwoodEdit

No, I don't know for certain that that's him, but he was always Gregor's squire in the books.Greater Good 18:34, June 2, 2014 (UTC)

Family tree templatesEdit

http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Ardilaun#You_can_see_how_this_is_confusing.2C_right.3F

Please deal with this as you see fit.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 16:48, June 4, 2014 (UTC)

Timeline policy discussionEdit

Please give your views on this: http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:GoTWiki_Small_Council_meeting_1:_Timeline_and_Current_Date

--The Dragon Demands (talk) 00:54, June 6, 2014 (UTC)

Need your position on this.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 15:31, June 11, 2014 (UTC)

IMDbEdit

Is IMDb a reliable  source? The last two episode are added to creditboxes on Stannis Baratheon and Davos Seaworth page by User:The Snow Prince, bacause IMDb says so.--Mesmermann (talk) 12:57, June 6, 2014 (UTC)

It is not a reliable source... they were listing Ralf Kenning as appearing on the last episode.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 19:21, June 6, 2014 (UTC)
So if someone writes is as their source, we have to remove it, right?--Mesmermann (talk) 11:52, June 8, 2014 (UTC)
Indeed.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 23:43, June 8, 2014 (UTC)

Sigils in battle and war infoboxesEdit

I know the sigils go on the left on wikipedia, but on this wiki it made the infoboxes look very cluttered. --Greater Good 06:44, June 10, 2014 (UTC)

Season 4 finaleEdit

The Season 4 finale is upon us. The internet is going to explode after this one, on par with or surpassing the Red Wedding or Ned Stark's death. Enough traffic that the site itself might slow to a crawl, much less all of the vandals or random anonymous editors who need to tinker with it.

The hordes are closing in.

This is where we hold them.

Remember this day.

--The Dragon Demands (talk) 00:52, June 16, 2014 (UTC)

Tonight we fight! and when the sun rises, GoT Wiki will stand! The Admin Watch will stand!--Gonzalo84 (talk) 06:00, June 16, 2014 (UTC)

Unlock?Edit

Gonzalo, can you unlock my user page? I will make one edit updating the page, and then you can lock it again. Thanks! – The Snow Prince (talk) 19:46, June 16, 2014 (UTC)

New AdminsEdit

Due to the absence of some our numbers were low in Season 4. I think we should add about two more Admins. Off the top of my head I was toying with suggesting Daemon Targaryen and Rachel P - if they felt up to it and if they would continue to edit enough to merit it. They're both reliable workers and (as far as I can tell) seem to approach the work seriously.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 21:16, June 16, 2014 (UTC)

Due to my regrettably limited time recently, I'm not able to take a position on this or The Snow Prince situation. I'm hoping I can up my attendance soon, once I can drop the current day job :) --Werthead (talk) 20:17, June 19, 2014 (UTC)
Drop it for what?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 20:42, June 19, 2014 (UTC)

Uploading GIFs Edit

I want to have a section of my user page for GIFs. Am I allowed to upload them? --Iron Bank (talk) 02:39, June 22, 2014 (UTC)


Sorry-- hate to bother you, but the user SiKeDFiction is being a total stupid son of a drooling whore and a monkey and throwing crass language into pages.  I fixed one, but I have a feeling he's going around and doing it to more, and it's just annoying.  If you could send him a notice or something to get him to stop/grow up?  Thank you!

Blocking Edit

Do you know how to undo vandalism on a page from the first moment it started? I am undoing and undoing and it is just taking forever. It's on my other page. QueenBuffy35 Crown New Red 19:28, June 30, 2014 (UTC)

1 - Go to the history tab.
2 - Find the last date before the vandalism started. If the vandal started on June 30th, you find the last real edit on June 25th. Click on this date to view the page as it existed on that past date.
3 - Click "edit". You will see a page that says "warning, you are editing an older version of the page. Highlight and copy the entire contents of the page. Do not click "save", but close the window and go back to the current version.
4 - Click "edit". Delete everything. Then Paste in the older version of the page you copied. And click "Save".
This is labor-intensive but ultimately the only reliable way to undo multiple bad edits.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 19:30, June 30, 2014 (UTC)
Thanks TDD. I went ahead and had to delete the entire page contents. It was going back like 200+ edits. Ridiculous. QueenBuffy35 Crown New Red 19:55, June 30, 2014 (UTC)

(I figured out what you were saying and went back far enough to at least return it to some kind of normalcy. Thanks. QueenBuffy35 Crown New Red 20:01, June 30, 2014 (UTC)

Hi :) sorry about the Shae images having the black lines I didn't realise it :( I fixed them both now ! :)

KirstenAbela (talk) 09:15, July 4, 2014 (UTC)

Mag Mar Edit

I noticed an editor asking about the protection level on Mag Mar Tun Doh Weg's page. Is this something that needs to stay in place? I thought I'd ask since you were the admin who originally protected it. Thanks. QueenBuffy35 Crown New Red 17:34, July 12, 2014 (UTC)

Freys vs BaelishEdit

Please weigh in on this: http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:GoTWiki_Small_Council_meeting_2:_Freys_or_Baelish_rule_the_Riverlands%3F?t=20140718104215

--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:26, July 19, 2014 (UTC)

We're waiting on your vote to take action.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 00:50, July 24, 2014 (UTC)

Historical Targaryen family treesEdit

I've been setting up the Targaryen historical family trees for a few days, as you've seen.

What should we do with "bridge" characters that "bookend" two different eras? Specifically, how Jaeherys I comes at the end of the Conquest era but also at the beginning of the Dance of the Dragons era template.

Some of these family trees can get very long, and it's odd to put two of them - though I experimented with this on the Jaehaerys I Targaryen page.

There are eight characters who "bridge" across two eras: Aerion, Aemon, Aegon V; Daeron II, Daenerys of Sunspear; Aegon III, Viserys II; Jaehaerys I.

The earlier ones like Jaehaerys I have such little core content that I don't think it's that much of a problem, but Aemon is a TV show character, so his article is also quite long.

Currently, if you start at Aegon I the Conqueror you can click through the family trees all the way down to Daenerys. But going up from Daenerys to Aegon I is slightly more difficult.

I'm going to leave it like this for now because I'm hesitant to take up so much space with TWO family trees.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 20:12, July 19, 2014 (UTC)

BusyEdit

Unfortunately I have to go to a friend's wedding in another part of the country so I will be away from the wiki for a few days - and I just realized that this weekend is San Diego Comic-Con so we might be getting new casting announcements. Crud.

I'm also backlogged through July 20th. Well when I get back I'll just sit down and have to proofread it all. I will check in for major news from my hotel if I can.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 07:28, July 25, 2014 (UTC)

Need to fix these:

http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/92.150.144.114 http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/90.37.146.61

Loras is a major character. Edd and Grenn are not. Bronn eventually is a "major" character as he is credited as "starring" after Season 1. How do we handle characters who start as recurring but later get promoted to "starring"? I'd rather keep the original albeit longer explanation that "he started out as a recurring guest but then got promoted to starring, he is a major character". Same problem with Samwell Tarly.

Alliser Thorne is not a major character. Rickon Stark is not...yet.

I banned this guy from Paris but on second thought I'll lift it, treating it as a warning. May be some language barrier issues...--The Dragon Demands (talk) 07:33, July 25, 2014 (UTC)

Sword infoboxEdit

The new sword infobox you made is very nice.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 03:50, August 6, 2014 (UTC)

Wiki map feature just got activated?Edit

What the heck is this?

http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Maps/147

http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Log/Andrzej_%C5%81ukaszewski

The logs say that a "maps" wiki extension was activated.

Who wrote this thing? It has no "History" tab. Nor does it have any user protection levels so we have no means of policing if it gets abused. Is it even displaying anywhere?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 04:10, August 6, 2014 (UTC)

Read immediately:

http://maps.wikia.com/wiki/Maps_Wiki

Their launch video even used "Westeros" and "where was Daenerys Targaryen born?" as examples, and there's already a Westeros map setup, but they didn't think to contact the Admins here first - so there isn't really much to look at just yet. I've actually wanted interactive maps, this is just a bit sudden and I wish there had been better communication.

We need to figure this out.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 04:44, August 6, 2014 (UTC)

Issue w/ Admin Edit

Hi Gonzalo84,

I seem to be having an issue with one of the other admins here, The Dragon Demands. It seems like he/she took one of my edits rather personally and is now saying that I am taunting the admins and is threatening me with a warning ban. Wikia says I can speak to other admins if I'm having an issue, and looking through your history you seem to be a bit more level-headed and less hostile, wondering if you could look into it. It's on my talk page. Really, I'm just worried about a wikia where one of its admins is treating users with such hostility over a non-malicious case of editing, specifically one where said admin was placing his personal speculation about GRRM's opinions of D&D's adaptation into a non-talk page similar to how a tabloid might write it.

"This implies the startling possibility that Benioff and Weiss simply didn't tell Martin that they had so drastically altered the reasons behind Tyrion's murder of Tywin. Either that, or even when Martin was directly asked "why did Tyrion kill Tywin in the TV series's season finale?", he disagreed so strongly with the change that he refused to acknowledge it by proceeding to describe Tywin's death as it occurred in the books. "

The Children Thanks for listening. --Padenton (talk) 05:59, August 6, 2014 (UTC)

(sigh)

I will reword the "The Children" article because yes, there is a chance that EW was just misrepresenting the "context" of GRRM's statements.

Wait...were you upset that the article compares the book and TV version of Tywin's death....or more specifically, that you felt I misinterpreted the Entertainment Weekly article? Because if you felt I misinterpreted a specific point, fine. --The Dragon Demands (talk) 06:36, August 6, 2014 (UTC)

Vandal Edit

http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/75.137.251.78 has made a spam page on the Wiki, I assume you can deal with this? Lord Heisenberg of House White (talk) 21:07, August 19, 2014 (UTC)

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