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Hey, can I ask a favour? When you created a new userbox please add it to this list. Thanks.-- 15:16, May 2, 2014 (UTC)
- Sure. I did see that list, but since it was one of your subpages, it seemed rude to add anything to it (perhaps you should put a blanket permission/request at the top of the page?) Since the two boxes I created deal with languages... I guess I'll put them under the "Beyond the Houses" header. But they might also arguably form a new category. I'll leave that to you to decide. --Mad Latinist (talk) 15:29, May 2, 2014 (UTC)
Low Valyrian Edit
I just made a conjectural map on the Low Valyrian page. Need help, asked on the blog but Peterson didn't respond. While we know the separation between Northern and Southern group fairly well, we don't really know where Eastern/Ghiscari ends. Are Mantarys and the Lands of the Land Summer their own, fourth group? Given the stated contacts of Hizdahr between Meereen and Tolos/Elyria, etc., I feel safe to assume that those two are part of Eastern group. Mantarys, meanwhile, is very isolated, up in the mountains, and everyone avoids it. For that matter I don't thinkk there are even that many remaining settlements on the surviving mainland o the Valyrian peninsula - that is, south of the Sea of Sighs. Mantarys might be the only major population center in that entire region.
So for my conjectural map, I played it safe by putting Mantarys as part of the "Southern" group, and having the Southern/Eastern demarcation line run between Mantarys and Tolos/Elyria.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 21:58, June 27, 2014 (UTC)
- I saw your question. I can't honestly say that I know the answer, nor any hints more than what you say here. And I suspect the reason David didn't answer was that he was in the same boat. I WISH he had answered: it could have been helpful for this page, which Najahho (AKA Esploranto) and I really need to finish up.
- I hate to say it, but you're probably best off just listing those areas as unknowns. Maybe include the evidence you present here in a "behind the scenes" or "in the books" section?
- --Mad Latinist (talk) 23:57, June 27, 2014 (UTC)
- That's a god-damned nice piece of work. I'm happy someone is addressing that.
- As I've said elsewhere, I think it would be a good idea to specifically mark "Northern Low Valyrian" as "Proto-Northern Low Valyrian", as an equivalent to Medieval Latin/Old French. That way we've got a convenient fallback explanation for anything: "hey, this word you established doesn't exist in High Valyrian OR in Volantene Low Valyrian!" Answer: "Uh, it's from Old Proto-Southern Valyrian, a feature which popped up after High Valyrian only to disappear again before Volantene Low Valyrian solidified."
- ...As for Mantarys, what do know of Southern Low Valyrian is that it is probably much closer to High Valyrian than Ghiscari Low Valyrian ever was: Lys was a direct colony created from scratch by Valyria, even Volantis was the first colony for centuries before the Doom, etc. Given its proximity to Valyria itself I speculate that Mantarys could only diverge a small amount from its origins, not that much more than Volantene or Lysene did (enough to be its own language, but not an entirely new sub-family).
- So for the moment, I'm going to table the issue by leaving Mantarys lumped in with Southern group (fairly sure they're not of Ghiscari origin; it's a question of either being Southern or a separate fourth group). Like many of you I am looking forward to World of Ice and Fire this fall; that will tell us more about the Free Cities and the Lands of the Long Summer. No point debating it now when we'll have so much new information inside of six months.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 00:43, June 28, 2014 (UTC)
We just got concept art of the three coins Mero holds in "Second Sons". The Braavosi coin actually has writing on the reverse side: http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/File:Mero_Coins_Concept_Art.jpg
(The background image watermarked behind the coins is apparently just Talisa's letter).
We have to be wary that concept art doesn't always look like the finished product, and the finished coins aren't in focus when Mero holds them...though I've rewatched and they DO appear very similar (the Meereenese one has two objects on it, perhaps a whip and collar, while the Volantene one has some sort of crossed motif).
But we do have a behind-the-scenes image of the finished Braavosi coin props, though only of the FRONT side with the Titan on it: http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/File:Braavosi_coin_inside_the_episode.jpg
We never saw the reverse side before (take away one kadem to honor the Hebrew god, whose ark this is...)
Though looking at the production image of the prop, to the left there you DO see a face-down coin, showing the reverse side -- but it's cut off. Also it's upside down compared to the concept art (the upper left of the concept art is at the bottom-right of the coin in the left of the props image). Not enough to read in the props image, but enough to further indicate that this concept art pretty much resembles the finished prop.
At any rate, is the writing on the reverse of the Braavosi coin even remotely legible? I think I spotted a script Z in there. I think the guys who worked out what "Volantene font" is from Talisa's letter may have more success in deciphering it.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 16:10, July 10, 2014 (UTC)
- Hey! Hope I didn't offend you with the Latinitas comment the other week. I just like talking about Latin composition.
- I love how authentic the Meereenese coin looks. It's very similar to a lot of ancient coins.
- You're right, the Braavosi coin DOES look a lot like Talisa's "Volantene" hand. I'm in a bit of a hurry right now, so I couldn't do more than glance (and I'm likely to stay busy at least until next week, maybe longer). Zhalio, who made the digital font, might be a good person to ask.
- --Mad Latinist (talk) 21:06, July 10, 2014 (UTC)
- Oh I wasn't offended (I'd openly admit I'm not that great at Latin, so when you said "Latinitas" in this context, I wasn't even sure what you meant but had to look it up...I'm useless without my dictionary, the price I pay for learning Latin late in life). Hmm...we'll have to see if the coin even says anything legible. Not that we've got much going on for a while...--The Dragon Demands (talk) 21:13, July 10, 2014 (UTC)