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The Dragon Demands

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C2E2 Edit

"Wikia will be hosting a panel at C2E2 in Chicago on 26 April. They're flying me in specially for the event (!) and Kristian Nairn will also be part of the panel. "

I wrote up a lot of questions for this when the Wikia Staffers asked us to submit Q&A questions.

I was very excited that Wikia got to set up a panel with cast members like this.

I have been unable to find any major reports or video of the panel.

What was it like? Was any of our submitted Q&A answered?

I don't understand: how was this panel associated with Wikia as a topic?

How did you promote or discuss Game of Thrones Wiki at the panel? What did the cast have to say about it? (we always hope they read our stuff)

You didn't give a report on how the panel went on the wiki so I was unaware what happened. The Wikia panel was almost four months ago, and the only thing you mentioned about it on Game of Thrones Wiki before was three months ago when you loaded that photo of you with Alfie Allen (Theon Greyjoy):

I wasn't sure what had happened.

Then the thought occurred to check the archives of your WertZone blog, and you did give a brief report there:
"One of the several other hats I wear is the founder and admin of the Game of Thrones Wiki, which has reached a high of 12 million hits per week during this season. Wikia, which runs the whole network, wanted me to join in a panel on the show. Initially it was just going to be myself, Jamie Hari of the Marvel and DC Database Wikis and Alfie 'Theon' Allen, but we were eventually also joined by Kristian Nairn (Hodor) and Natalia Tena (Osha). The actors were fashionably late, which left myself and Jamie to hold down the fort with several hundred fans for the opening minutes.
"The panel seemed to be successful. Alfie talked about the process of playing such a damaged character as Theon and Kristian the various ways the directors have got him to act with such restricted dialogue. Natalia talked about the importance of the TV show as a separate entity to the books and the urgent need for male/female nudity parity in the show. I mused on the fan theory that Littlefinger is turning into Batman (the voice) and we threw it out there that Joffrey had faked his own death."

This is sort of brief and I'm not sure from it how much Game of Thrones Wiki was discussed.

Will you have time to do a more detailed writeup of this event during this weekend?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 06:11, August 15, 2014 (UTC)

Adam I asked you about this over a week ago.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 15:17, August 24, 2014 (UTC)

The panel ended up being rushed due to a lack of firm planning. At one point we were only getting one actor and we only had all three confirmed at the last minute (Alfie in particular seemed uncertain if he was going to do it). We were also told that we were only getting all three actors for the last quarter hour or so, and then we had them for a lot longer. The decision was then made to allow the audience (which was easily 300-400 strong) to ask questions rather than firing questions at them from a long list. The actors didn't stick around for very long afterwards. So it was a bit more of an 'event hosted by Wikia' thing than an event about the Wiki in any real detail. Some fans and readers were in the audience and talked to me about the site afterwards, but we didn't get a chance to discuss the site very much with the actors.

I am also hoping to be able to visit the Wiki more often soon. Six months of both shift work and increased paid writing work in other venues has left me with almost no time whatsoever to work on the Wiki (and you will notice a significant decrease in blog activity as well, and what there has been has been rather brief). This situation looks like easing, at least somewhat, in the near future.--Werthead (talk) 18:42, August 25, 2014 (UTC)

Am I still to create the perfect wiki?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 19:10, August 25, 2014 (UTC)
I was invited to attend C2E2/this panel but had to cancel last minute :( I hate that I missed it! QueenBuffy35 Crown New Red 15:56, August 28, 2014 (UTC)

GOT Community AppEdit

Hey, Dragon! Wikia is in the process of working on a Game of Thrones Wiki community app and we could really use your help! Would you or the other admins mind helping us curate categories for the GOT Community App? The curation lives on this page and there are instructions on there for adding/removing categories that will appear in the app itself. Let me know if you have any questions! P.S. The page says Game Guides right now but that will change eventually! Grace @Wikia (profile)•(talk) 21:30, September 5, 2014 (UTC)

Sure! Let me know if you have any questions once you've read it. This essentially is going to be a guide for users about Game of Thrones which is why we need the most important categories listed out for people that want to learn about the series through the wikia. Grace @Wikia (profile)•(talk) 18:26, September 8, 2014 (UTC)

Wonky sigils, part 2 Edit

I'm at a loss as to what is causing this... but one possible fix might be to move them above the infobox, as AWoIaF does. We could even create special shield shaped versions for this purpose.--Ser Patrek (talk) 10:02, September 7, 2014 (UTC)

Ah, I think I've found the answer: The files size for some of these heraldry images are simply too large, (over 1,000px in some cases) they're overloading the "name" field. Up till now I've just been resizing the wonky ones so they fit again, but now I'm seeing ones that I've already fixed have been displaced again. Obviously we can't just keep shrinking them, as eventually they'll be so small as to be indistinct. I think the solution is to create separate mini versions of the images that can fit in the infobox at their own size, without needing to be scaled down.--Ser Patrek (talk) 13:00, September 7, 2014 (UTC)
Ahh, thank you for figuring that out!!! Talk about driving me nuts! QueenBuffy35 Crown New Red 15:07, September 7, 2014 (UTC)

Flags and shields Edit

I'm fixing up the infobox heraldry at the moment, but I had an idea that I wanted to run by you. What if I created special flag icons that are just for articles on locations. Like so.--Ser Patrek (talk) 07:44, September 9, 2014 (UTC)
Bolton mini flag
Bolton mini flag
Well those are fun, but we don't have the "official"...tail design? for every house. Most use the foreground color (Baratheon uses black tails, Bolton uses red tails) but some use alternate colors (Starks apparently use a green tail in the TV version? Or something?)...and I'm not even sure what multi-colored ones like the Tullys would use...
(shrug) might as well use it for the ones we know like the Boltons and Baratheons, etc.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 16:21, September 15, 2014 (UTC)

Titancon 2014 World of Ice and Fire readingEdit

Any link to a summary or something like that?--Gonzalo84 (talk) 00:52, September 17, 2014 (UTC)

Starts here:

The reading was from the chapter on Aegon III the Dragonbane, which should give some hints at how the Dance of the Dragons ended.

During the first three fourths of the Dance (what TPATQ covers) Winterfell did declare for Rhaenyra, but House Dustin and House Manderly are also singled out. Keep in mind that Robb Stark could rally an army of 20,000 to head south relatively quickly...and this probably isn't all of the able-bodied men; the North is vast and a point is that it takes a while for them to rally all of their soldiers and get put on a war footing. Specifically, during the Targaryen Conquest, consider how long it took Torrhen Stark to assemble his whole army (the war was already over after the Field of Fire). Anyway, while the North did make major contributions to the war...the "Winter Wolves" led by Roderick Dustin who came south numbered only 2,000 men. This is apparently just the standing household men-at-arms they could assemble at short notice - great and professional warriors, but not every able-bodied man who could hold a spear...AND, the Winter Wolves did a LOT of damage to the Greens, vastly out of proportion to their numbers, before the last of them were killed at First Tumbleton. Cregan Stark was probably just a child at the time, because he later fought Aemon the Dragonknight some 30-40 years later, and Aemon always said he was the toughest opponent he ever faced, plus Cregan did not seem very proactive in the Dance but delegated it to commanders like Roderick (he might not have been a "child",

Anyway, Aegon III came to the throne at 11 years old, but it would be five years until he came of legal age, so a regency council was set up to rule until then - with members chose from both the Blacks and the Greens, as neither side truly won the war. Jeyne Arryn was one, the severely mutilated Tyland Lannister was another, etc.

What we found out in this reading is that:

  • Cregan Stark and the rest of the Northern army finally arrived south, but by then the war had ended (Aegon II died through as yet unknown circumstances leaving Aegon III as the only male heir). Again, the North "contributed" to the war - they sent their best hand-picked men south as "the Winter Wolves" - this was the general army of regular, less well trained but far more numerous guys (okay, this is me speculating). At any rate, Cregan and his Northern reinforcements arrive south to find the war is ended - he is not amused, nor are his bannermen, many of them sons or younger brothers of other Northerners who died earlier in the war. To appease Lord Stark, they decided to make him the new Hand of the King and Regent: he declared that he would hold trials and executions. The "trials" and executions all lasted a single day: he knew who he wanted dead so he had all of their heads on spikes in one day. He did at least give them the option to take the black as an alternative to death, and several did leave for the Wall. He was Hand and Regent it seems for a single day; the day after the executions, satisfied, he began the return journey home. Afterwards they came up with the idea to make a "Regency council" composed of seven members, chosen from both the surviving Blacks and surviving Greens.
  • Most of Cregan's army, however, stayed behind: again, many were younger second sons who were too young at the start of the war, but many still had surviving older brothers/fathers. Some swore themselves to southron lords, others became sellswords, but many became bandits - which was already a serious problem due to the breakdown in public order caused by the Dance itself.
  • Once Aegon III actually did come of legal age, the regency council transferred power back to him peacefully and without incident.

--The Dragon Demands (talk) 01:21, September 17, 2014 (UTC)

Programming Question Edit

Hello, TDD!

I wanted to let you know that I sent you an email this evening with some general questions about *potential* future programming plans here on the GOT community. Would love to hear your thoughts when you have a moment to reply. Thanks, ser!

Brian@Wikia 02:54, September 18, 2014 (UTC)

Yup, I e-mailed back.  I have school tomorrow.  And a big family event Saturday.  Afterwards college is on two week break due to Jewish holidays.  I've been in standby mode the past two weeks because of the start of the new semester.  Plan on launching into numerous major projects within the next few days once I get into the break, please check back frequently.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 03:17, September 18, 2014 (UTC)


Hi, TDD! I wanted to let you know that I just sent you an email about NYCC. Please take a look and respond by the end of the day today if possible. Thanks, ser!

Brian@Wikia 21:16, September 25, 2014 (UTC)

Okay I sent a response e-mail.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 00:18, September 26, 2014 (UTC)

Plagiarism Edit

Hi, TDD.

Saw your note. I'm forwarding that page to the appropriate parties here. Thanks!!

Brian@Wikia 01:51, September 27, 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, ser.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 03:29, September 27, 2014 (UTC)

Faith of the Seven brand Edit

Faith Militant mini brand

I've created a Seven-Pointed Star brand for the Faith Militant article, and a mini version for relevant character articles. Would you mind adding it to the High Sparrow article?--Ser Patrek, the Wolfskinner 30px 10:06, September 28, 2014 (UTC)

Oh, and though I'm sure you've already seen the WotW posts with the photos of the Faith Militant there's was a suggestion in the comments that Loras would be taking on some sort of Lancel-like role. I mean, he was dressed in all black, which he's never done before...--Ser Patrek, the Wolfskinner 30px 10:15, September 28, 2014 (UTC)

I think those are just Loras's bedclothes, or his undergarments; i.e. he just took his armor off, or his formal tunic off. I see no...specific reason to suspect major changes.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 16:44, September 28, 2014 (UTC)

...Wait, I'm not sure where to put it in the High Sparrow article. The regular "High Septon" or "Mordane" articles don't use the normal Faith of the Seven sigil anymore.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:59, September 28, 2014 (UTC)

Oh shit, It's worse than that. A new video of filming in Croatia shows Loras being restrained and dragged away by the Sparrows! Looks like he's being arrested for "sword swallowing". [1]. As for the brand, I think it should be okay in Faith Militant character infoboxes as they do wear the scar/brand as outward display of affiliation. Just like heraldry, but more gruesome.--Ser Patrek, the Wolfskinner 30px 20:10, September 28, 2014 (UTC)

.......(long pause)

(Jaw hanging open for a minute)

Uh...I'm hoping this isn't a major "thing" and is just an "incident" of "Faith Militant toughs rough up homosexuals at Littlefinger's brothel"....but then the regular City Watch steps in and saves him (possibly part of the same scene I hope for, since "Kissed by Fire"; Loras is in bed with Olyvar but looking annoyed, then he says he's realized he's just "drowning his sorrows" and will never love after Renly, so he wants to join the Kingsguard....then Faith Militant toughs burst in and drag him into the street...then hopefully he gets rescued and joins the Kingsguard.

Crud. This might turn out to actually be a good way to give Loras more to do...IF it has no long-term side-effects. We've never really seen, say...a Septon's sermon preaching that homosexuality is a sin, and Loras looking upset about it (which he probably did at some point in his life). So we get to see Loras facing some real discrimination, fine. So long as it has no lasting effects that drastically alter his long-term storyline.

Oh god.

Oh, you reminded me: "during the Andal Invasion, with the zeal of their new faith, the Andals would carve Seven-pointed stars into their flesh" -- that must be what the TV show is taking its cue from. Good book reference, actually. But I can't tell if they are brands or carved.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 21:16, September 28, 2014 (UTC)

If Loras is executed... we riot! This is a serious concern because (although we don't know what GRRM has planned for the character) it seems like he's just waiting to die on Dragonstone at the moment. I don't doubt that the seige will be cut entirely. TV-first fans don't care that Dragonstone needs to be retaken, and I can't see D&D spending time and money on a non-essential battle scene... full of expensive CGI and stunwork... not a chance! Much easier to just say that Stannis took his entire garrison North with him, and the Island is now abandoned, and then have Cersei weaken the Tyrells by having Loras arrested by the High Sparrow. We know he's having another scene with Olyvar next seasons, so presumably the arrest immediately follows this. I have no hope for Olyvar... he'll probably be killed on the spot, with Loras, as a high-born taken to the Sept of Baelor to be made an example of. Damn them!--Ser Patrek, the Wolfskinner 30px 11:10, September 29, 2014 (UTC)
Confirmed: The Sparrows invade Littlefinger's brothel. [2].--Ser Patrek, the Wolfskinner 30px 15:20, September 29, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Please ReadEdit

I've passed your message along to the appropriate people. Thanks for letting me know! Grace @Wikia (profile)•(talk) 16:42, September 29, 2014 (UTC)

Because I can. Edit

So I'm going to get on your nerves with this, but I don't BAH! But can I pleaseeeee, (or can you) archive your talk page. Man, it takes awhile to scroll through 200+ messages. ;) QueenBuffy35 Crown New Red 22:07, September 29, 2014 (UTC)

Entirely my fault. Yes, the "cluttered desk" I've got on here. I'll get right on it.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 22:41, September 29, 2014 (UTC)
Woo hoo! Not sure why that peeves me! lol QueenBuffy35 Crown New Red 23:12, September 29, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Vote of No ConfidenceEdit

Hey Dragon, sorry to hear that this is happening. I've passed your message on to the appropriate people. Grace @Wikia (profile)•(talk) 21:10, October 7, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Vote of No Confidence in Adam Whitehead (Werthead) Edit

Hi The Dragon Demands. We will not be removing Adam as a panelist. He has our full support as a representative both of Wikia and Game of Thrones Wiki, and he has been very successful at that in past appearances. We are looking forward to seeing him again in New York and continuing to work with him.

If the community feels Adam shouldn't be an administrator anymore, then the community can hold a vte on that. There is a clear and established community-based process for admin removal. Wikia Staff does not get involved in that, because it is a local decision.

Finally, and most importantly, we consider your comment about asking convention security to "forcibly remove" Adam from the panel to be a threat. We have therefore contacted the convention organizers and are revoking your pass to the event. You will not be in attendance at the panel, and you will not be given a pass to enter the convention from Wikia. - Brandon Rhea@Wikia(talk) 21:44, October 7, 2014 (UTC)

email Edit

Check email please. QueenBuffy35 Crown New Red 15:41, October 10, 2014 (UTC)

Message received and replied. I agree fully.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 15:50, October 10, 2014 (UTC)

Vote of no confidence on Chancellor Valorum... I mean WertheadEdit

My vote is in. I'm sorry it took me this long to answer. Been kinda busy these past weeks with my classes.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 02:44, October 11, 2014 (UTC)

The vote is in.  I love democracy.  It was with the greatest reluctance that I initiated this motion.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 02:46, October 11, 2014 (UTC)

New Series. Have you seen it? Edit

Hey. I was going to ask, have you seen that new Netflix/BBC series "Peaky Blinders" yet?! AWESOME series!!! QueenBuffy35 Crown New Red 04:14, October 14, 2014 (UTC)

Ah, I'm pretty busy with other stuff now. I don't think their gang will cause too much trouble - until they detonate a tactical nuclear warhead, at which point even the Birmingham police, will have to sit up and take notice.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 14:52, October 14, 2014 (UTC)
Oh man it's good! It's like the Boardwalk Empire for England, but BETTER I think. I like that it's based loosely on RL people/events too. :) Anyway, it's only 6 episodes. Just try it sometime. QueenBuffy35 Crown New Red 14:58, October 14, 2014 (UTC)

RE: GoT Personality QuizEdit

Greetings, good sir - may I ask what your picks would be for 6 fan-relatable characters with varying personalities?

Siggy4.png @@Wikia (profile)•(talk) 18:43, October 15, 2014 (UTC)

Well, I'm not sure...I tried going by D&D alignment, but the characters are so complex this isn't always clear.

"Lawful" is fairly clear:

  • Lawful Good = Eddard Stark
  • Lawful Neutral = Stannis Baratheon
  • Lawful Evil = Tywin Lannister (generally; the Red Wedding verged on Neutral Evil, but he felt it was necessary to swiftly end the war)
  • Neutral Good = Daenerys Targaryen (unlike the Starks, if she thinks you're a "bad" person she won't pardon you as the honorable thing to do - she will crucify you. That's how the Targaryens have always rolled, back to Aegon I: if you're part of the program, he'll be kind to you. Oppose him, he'll burn you.)
  • Chaotic Good = "the Rebel" - fighting against the rules for a good cause (arguably Robb Stark was this, but I don't think leading a secession movement counts - his own men didn't think of him as a lone rebel). So...arguably Arya Stark.
  • Neutral Evil - not really concerned with the rules, just their own selfish ends: Littlefinger and Cersei.
  • Chaotic Evil - a raving psychopathic maniac, not even beholden to "rules" for himself. On the one hand this makes him dangerous and unpredictable, but on the other hand, makes him too unstable to make reliable long term plans (more a raving beast than "the Overlord"). Joffrey Baratheon and Ramsay Snow.

Now I'm fairly clear on the aforesaid...except for Chaotic Good, that was a bit more grey, there's no "Robin Hood" in this (well, the Brotherhood Without Banners, but they're not as prominent in the show lately). But might as well use Arya.

The next two kind of stumped me:

  • True Neutral and Chaotic Neutral = The Outsider and the Nomad, as they say. True Neutral is concerned purely with his own interests, while the Chaotic Neutral is actively rebelling against any forms of control.

The problem is that the distinction between True Neutral and Chaotic Neutral is kind of subtle. Chaotic Neutral actively revolts against any rules, craving their nomadic freedom; True Neutrals are so concerned on basic survival and avoiding getting involved that they'll put up with rules and structures so long as they don't particularly affect them. Han Solo at the beginning of Star Wars is True Neutral, while Jack Sparrow is Chaotic Neutral (openly stating that he lives as a pirate because being on a ship in the ocean not beholden to any laws is the ultimate freedom).

Tyrion is sort of True Neutral because he's just worried about survival. He doesn't particularly care for rules but also frowns on breaking them, he's altruistic when he can be but also can do some fairly self-serving things (at times he's verging on Neutral Good). Meanwhile, Sandor Clegane is now closest to Chaotic Neutral, focusing purely on his own survival...though arguably that's True Neutral, because he hates rules but usually isn't bothered by them if they don't get in his way. Jaime Lannister, also, kind of True Neutral verging on Chaotic Neutral - he doesn't want to claim the throne, rejects positions of authority, all he wanted in life was to be with the woman he loved - and good or evil, lawful or chaotic, anything that stands in his way he'll (grudgingly) get rid of -- though living through the Mad King's court has made him hate people who are outright evil or chaotic, pushing him back into the True Neutral camp.

This doesn't even cover the whole Margaery-Cersei dichotomy (Cersei is rude and blunt and hates "women", wishing she were born a man, while Margaery tries to use the carrot instead of the stick, and "manipulate" people by giving them things they actually want, and embracing her femininity to seduce people).

That's all I have at the moment. The problem is that many of the characters are so grey and nuanced.

--The Dragon Demands (talk) 19:35, October 15, 2014 (UTC)

Infobox heraldry Edit

It's happening again. I'm afraid we're going to have to either A: remove the heraldry entirely... or B: remodel our infoboxes so they use the same coding makeup as the ones from AWoIaF. Neither choice is particularly appealing, but I can't see any other option.--Ser Patrek, the Wolfskinner 30px 09:19, October 18, 2014 (UTC)

...Crud.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 15:49, October 18, 2014 (UTC)

Those damn things have never worked for me, and I am sick of the wonky banners! lol Have we ever asked Wikia for help in this matter? QueenBuffy35 Crown New Red 23:56, October 18, 2014 (UTC)
I sent them a special contact request months ago and never heard anything back. Chist, look at Tommen's and Maegor's! I've had to shrink them down to 10px! You can barely see them... it's not worth it. There may be a simpler solution: moving the sigils above the infoboxes, and using margin code to make them align. That would be a less extreme option than remodelling the actual templates, but I have no idea if it will work. Let me tinker with it, I'll see if I can rig something up.--Ser Patrek, the Wolfskinner 30px 09:04, October 19, 2014 (UTC)

Okay, this is what I've got so far... it's a crude solution, and it will be pretty inconvenient adding it to every page. I don't know what else to suggest.--Ser Patrek, the Wolfskinner 30px 10:37, October 19, 2014 (UTC)

...looks like the best that can be done. We've been spending too much time fiddling around with the icons inside the infoboxes, and haven't gotten much further. Thanks.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 15:43, October 19, 2014 (UTC)

Righto. It may be possible to incorporate this coding into a template. Something like this:

{{Heraldry |Right shield=Lannister Left shield = Kingsguard

--Ser Patrek, the Wolfskinner 30px 16:53, October 19, 2014 (UTC)

Rollback editor Edit

Hey TDD. Just a quick thing I wanted to run by you. User:Lorisa214 is someone I have worked with for awhile, and I know her as admin on a couple of other Wiki's. She was requesting "Rollback" rights, and I don't have a problem with it, but I wanted to pass it by you and get your thoughts. We could maybe do a 30 day probationary period and if all goes OK, just leave her with the rights. Thoughts? QueenBuffy35 Crown New Red 23:55, October 18, 2014 (UTC)

1 - Yes. 2 - While inappropriate now, if/when Bureaucrat vote succeeds, we need to start listing/discussing new Admins to promote, 3 - Lorisa214 proved to be a reliable editor in Season 3 - though understandably she wasn't really around much in Season 4, due to running Reign Wiki, 4 - IF she is willing to put in the time commitment, she could be an Admin candidate, 5 - I would openly pursue an affirmative action policy to make as many female Admins as we can, to try to balance things out (to be honest the only other prominent potential female candidate is RachelP...also from Australia). Well we'll discuss this more later. Specifically what is the extent/function of Rollback rights?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 00:00, October 19, 2014 (UTC)
It just allows them to instantly undo changes to an article with a single click.--Ser Patrek, the Wolfskinner 30px 09:04, October 19, 2014 (UTC)
Oh okay. Does that mean Rollbacks on protected pages too? (Though if it's only a rollback, even that can't drastically change too much that we can't just restore later).--The Dragon Demands (talk) 15:44, October 19, 2014 (UTC)
I don't think they can edit articles that are protected to "admin only", no.--Ser Patrek, the Wolfskinner 30px 16:53, October 19, 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, I just look at the Rollback feature as something for trusted editors to use. It makes editing/undoing things quicker and simpler. Any word on when our bureau rights come into effect? What is the latest with that? QueenBuffy35 Crown New Red 19:01, October 19, 2014 (UTC)

Oh fine, then, give Rollback rights to any trusted editors (It's like an extension of "Undo" I see).

As for Bureaucrat rights...they said we had to hold a vote, so I started the vote. Then, to make sure it was legit, I sent Talk messages to all users with over 100 edits (by going down a list) as you may have seen last week. Not necessarily everyone, but I made sure to message a couple of dozen people, accounting for most anyone with a stake in things.

...I do not know how long the vote needs to last, exactly, but I think "One Week" sounds standard. Which would be around midnight tomorrow night. So my basic plan was to wait another...9 plus 24 = 33 hours or so, until after midnight Monday, and only then try to contact Wikia Staff again and point out "We've had the vote open for a week, that seems to be standard voting time, I think the vote is finished unless you insist otherwise" etc.

Yeah, so tomorrow night at midnight was when I was going to bring up the issue.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 19:14, October 19, 2014 (UTC)

Bracket TournamentEdit

Here's another one for you -

I'm working on a list of 32 characters - who are not deceased as of the Season 4 finale - for the bracket tournament. Having trouble rounding out the 32, they don't so much need to be plausible as having a shot at the iron throne, but as having fans who would wish they could sit upon it. Also, this isn't necessarily a literal "fight" for the throne, but more like who's most likely to "fight, scheme, or claw" their way to it. This is ignoring such things as the fact that members of the knights watch *should* be ruled out, since obviously there are those who would vote for Jon & even Sam. However, characters like Gilly or Missandei for instance... probably don't belong on the list as it's too far of a stretch. Therein lies my problem, once all the obvious & main characters are on the list, I'm having trouble coming up with enough to make the full 32. Since you are far more familiar with the secondary characters than I am, can you help me finish (and update, feel free to nix anyone you see fit) this list?

Here's who I have so far, we just need an even 32:

  • Tyrion Lannister
  • Cersei Lannister
  • Daenerys Targaryen
  • Arya Stark
  • Jon Snow
  • Sansa Stark
  • Jorah Mormont
  • Jaime Lannister
  • Theon Greyjoy
  • Bran Stark
  • Petyr Baelish
  • Varys
  • Brienne of Tarth
  • Bronn
  • Gendry
  • Margaery Tyrell
  • Stannis Baratheon
  • Mance Rayder
  • Davos Seaworth
  • Melisandre
  • Balon Greyjoy
  • Tormund Giantsbane
  • Samwell Tarly
  • Ramsay Bolton
  • Daario Naharis
  • Gregor Clegane

Thank you in advance, good sir!

Siggy4.png @@Wikia (profile)•(talk) 01:17, October 21, 2014 (UTC)

Well, because I'm all about being thorough, the 32 I'd list based on "plausibility" include:

Daenerys, Stannis, Shireen, Gendry, Tommen, Myrcella.

Myrcella's cool, but she only really comes to the fore in later books - matching when she returns in Season 5. Martin planned these books out in advance: Tommen, Myrcella, and Rickon Stark were nobodies in Season 1, but he knew the story would stretch on for years and that they'd grow into major figures later. Basically...out of Tywin's three children, it was Tyrion who inherited his extreme intellect. Similarly, in the next Lannister generation...Myrcella inherited all of the smarts. She's basically Tyrion's intellect and respect for the downtrodden (from being abused by Joffrey for years), but with the looks of a young teenaged Cersei. Characters in Dorne remark on how she's smarter than most adults they know, and are baffled that Cersei all but ignored the one of her children best suited to be a monarch (the irony being that Cersei is angry that her own father Tywin ignored her to focus on Jaime...then she did the exact same thing to her own children, focusing on Joffrey to the exclusion of her other two children. Reap as you sow, really.

But that's just rival claimants and stuff. Broadening the term we get "sit on the Iron Throne" in the generic sense of "controls the throne", which goes on to include Littlefinger, Varys, Olenna and Margaery Tyrell.

So there's 11 right there. I'd say "Cersei" but she's kind of ruling through Tommen right now but...screw it, put in Cersei: a question of "will Tommen ever overcome Cersei's domination?". That gives us 12.

Jaime refused the throne numerous times, he doesn't even want to be Hand of the King. Should put Tyrion in though...he's a "faction" unto himself now, but without saying much, he may have fled for now but his idea is to side with Cersei's enemies because it will be easier to take down the Lannisters if they have a rival Lannister heir to put in charge of Casterly Rock in her place. Bronn, of course, I say with all sincerity, deserves a spot on the list: he's gone from wandering mercenary to a member of the minor nobility; now he just has to get rid of his wife's older sister and he'll be Lord of Stokeworth. At the rate he's that gives us 14.

Sansa Stark is slowly but surely turning into her own "faction" trying to dominate the realm - for the moment by siding with Littlefinger, but she's starting to "play the game" of politics in the Vale. 15.

I would insist on putting Arianne Martell on the list for...reasons. Not that she's been cast yet, but of the Dornish characters angling for the throne...bringing us to the halfway point, at 16.

...I would put the Boltons/Freys on, because in the books...well, Lady Ryswell remarks on the Boltons and Freys taking part in the Red Wedding, and why someone as smart as Roose would think he could get away with something like that - they had Lannister backing. Similarly, Cersei and the Lannisters are now trying to distance themselves from their erstwhile Frey/Bolton allies, because they're the ones that literally got blood on their hands. So they want to blame the Freys and Boltons for being the ones who broke guest right....but Lady Ryswell says that she thinks Roose's plan all along was to turn it around and blame the Red Wedding on the Lannisters, accurately pointing out that it was the Lannisters who "gave the orders" to do it...and somehow Roose intends to manipulate this and turn it around to declare Northern independence yet again...just under Bolton kings. Meanwhile, Ramsay's a psychopath, but he's Roose's only living son, and Roose privately admits that Ramsay will kill any new children he fathers with Fat Walda rather than see a rival heir -- and there's little Roose can or will do to stop him, because he feels that "child heirs are the death of Great Houses" -- which is becoming very apparent with the young boy-king Tommen -- so he's settling for the lesser of two evils, and grooming Ramsay as his heir as best he the North certainly, to a Bolton-ruled kingdom of the North? Possibly.

Bringing us up to 18.

I don't think Mance is a good choice because he's kind of beaten at this point, same with Tormund. Similarly, Jorah's an outcast. Daario doesn't make much more sense...unless you mean in the sense that he'd be Daenerys's consort?... Gregor Clegane doesn't make much sense, he's kind of unconscious now and not really ruling before that.

Davos and Melisandre kind of make sense in the meaning of "who will functionally rule through Stannis?" (like the angel and demon on his shoulders). Bringing us to 20.

I suppose you could put Tycho Nestoris, in the sense of "whoever the Iron Bank of Braavos wants, the realm is bankrupt, Tycho can pretty much choose kings at this point"

Bran has kind of removed himself from the equation at this point...I'd put Rickon in his place because they sort of obviously set up that Rickon is "the surviving male Stark heir" now that Bran is gone.

...getting ahead of ourselves, but if we count Season 5 stuff...the High Sparrow. Readers will know what we mean. 23.

...frankly you can keep Jon Snow on the list, due to the whole L+R=J...thing...

Major points:

Really need to include Shireen and Myrcella. Myrcella is huge in Season 5.

...include Arianne Martell.

If you include Theon, you need to include Yara Greyjoy. Now that Theon is given up for dead, there's this subplot that the ironborn are jockeying for position to be Balon's heir; some say Yara should be Queen of the Iron Islands after Balon, other traditionalists say a woman shouldn't rule and want to make one of Balon's younger brothers king.

If you include Ramsay Bolton you should really include Roose Bolton too. didn't include Olenna or Margaery Tyrell. They're very, very important.

Your list has 25 and you needed 7 more:

  • Shireen Baratheon
  • Myrcella Baratheon
  • Margaery Tyrell
  • Olenna Tyrell
  • Yara Greyjoy
  • Roose Bolton
  • Arianne Martell
  • Tycho Nestoris
  • Rickon Stark

Probably shouldn't include Mance, Tormund, and Gregor.

...I don't know, substitute with "the High Sparrow", "Walder Frey", and "White Walker leader" (from "Oathkeeper")

That's the best I've got for now.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 02:46, October 21, 2014 (UTC)


Thanks for letting me know. I will hopefully be able to contribute a little but won't expect to reach my previous levels of activity again.--Opark 77 (talk) 18:54, October 24, 2014 (UTC)

Yes, ser. I hope to see you then.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:57, October 24, 2014 (UTC)

Your QuestionsEdit

Hello! Yes I've read the books, but not all of them. I think the first 3, I can't remember if I started on the fourth or not. I skipped a couple chapters, like what's going on with the two younger Stark kids b/c I don't like them. I started reading after the show aired. So basically i'm still working on finishing. (I'm also reading the last book of Eragon, & it's like 1,000 pages) I'm still debating if I'm going to read ahead. I just want to know whats going to happen to Danny! B/c I love her the most! (& Jon better not be related to her, b/c though they've never met, I want them to be a couple! b/c Jon's comfortable around strong women and they both just want to be loved) Really, I'm nervous about who's going to die is what I'm getting at. Those two cannot. Side not about Jaime and Brienne, I want them to be a couple?? But Brienne's too good for J b/c he's hooking up w his sis. As a twin, it makes me want to vomit.

Also, I WAS is Oz, but I'm in Canada at Uni. in Ontario? Are you an Auzzy???

  • Do You watch Reign? It's the EFFING best!

--~ Lorisa! (talk) 10:17, October 25, 2014 (UTC)

Away Edit

Just wanted to let you know, that my internet service is gone for awhile. I will check on her sporadically, but unfortunately you won't see too much from me until I get service. QueenBuffy35 Crown New Red 21:34, October 25, 2014 (UTC)

Census Data reply Edit

Greetings my Lord,

I am currently reading the books. I started reading them after the latest season, as I needed to quench my GoT thirst. I am still trying to finish, and am reading at my own pace (as in not trying to sync it with the show). I've finished the first book and am at the beginning of the second. I am a male. I hail from the lands of the Niagara region, Ontario, Canada.

Iron Bank (talk) 02:49, October 26, 2014 (UTC)

On the Top Bar menu: Edit

I'm a huge fan of the new menu. The only suggestion I have for it is maybe changing "Boltons/Freys" to "Bolton/Frey"? The rest of the houses are all singular (Stark, Lannister, etc.) and it just seems a little awkward to have "Boltons/Freys" be different.--Iron Bank (talk) 16:01, October 26, 2014 (UTC)

Oh, yeah.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 05:59, October 26, 2014 (UTC)

Promotion to bureaucratsEdit

Is it done already?--Gonzalo84 (talk) 13:32, October 26, 2014 (UTC)

​Census Data AnswersEdit


Currently, I am enjoying the TV show very much and I do not really have a desire to read the books. I may change my mind in the future, but for now I am simply enjoying the show. As my profile states, I am male. I am originally from and currently live in the state of New Jersey. Since I am on the east coast, I watch new episodes of Game of Thrones when they air at 9:00 PM.

HurricaneHero93 (talk) 13:41, October 26, 2014 (UTC)

Featured VideoEdit

I see your point, of course, but it was requested of me, and inquiring allowed me check it off my list so-to-speak. As for the other video, that's a great choice in my eyes.

Siggy4.png @@Wikia (profile)•(talk) 21:02, October 29, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks a bunch.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 15:30, October 30, 2014 (UTC)

​More Census Data AnswersEdit


To answer your census data questions:

  • I haven't read the books, but I will do so after the show has finished. I've held off reading them as I'd like to enjoy the show on its own terms without worrying about differences to the source text, as I tend to get more annoyed than I should by such differences. I can enjoy the whole thing (or at least as far as GRRM has got when the show finishes) all over again by reading the books.
  • I am male.
  • I live in the south-east of England, so the show airs a day after it does in the States. I record the show as I can't always see it on the day of transmission, but I usually make sure I see it as soon as possible.

Hope this is useful.

Esnifador (talk) 19:49, November 1, 2014 (UTC)

Heraldry template Edit

Thanks to Wikia Star UltimateSupreme, we now have a fully functional heraldry template! He's asking if he can use a bot to help distribute the template across the wiki, which would save us loads of time doing it manually. I thought I better ask you first if it would be okay?--Ser Patrek, the Wolfskinner 30px 12:29, November 2, 2014 (UTC)

Oh, that is good news. Yeah, sounds great.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 23:42, November 2, 2014 (UTC)

Infobox designs Edit

Hey TDD. Ser Patrek and I were having a discussion about the design of infoboxes on the wiki. We think it would be nice to have infoboxes (automatically) change their color based on the allegiance. Till now, I have created an example for the lannisters. What do you think?--~UltimateSupreme 06:26, November 6, 2014 (UTC)

...Well that looks great for Tyrion, but not every character has a House affiliation...and some Houses have colors which might not show up well against our backgrounds. Really great for Tyrion and the Lannisters, though. Do you have ideas for what to use for other character groups?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 19:06, November 7, 2014 (UTC)

Added examples for starks and baratheon as well. Yeah, offcourse there will be a default color scheme for all those (and for episode and other infoboxes). I also changed the font of the page title to a Game Of Thrones style. As usual you have to clear cache to see all those changes--~UltimateSupreme 09:38, November 9, 2014 (UTC)

Photo issueEdit

I was having some problems adding a photo yesterday to a character's gallery, Daario Naharis in specific. My problem wasn't to add the photo but to place it side-by-side the other photos. Any help? 

Sebahed (talk) 15:47, November 6, 2014 (UTC)Sebahed

Thanks for the help man! I appreciate it! 

Sebahed (talk) 20:19, November 7, 2014 (UTC)Sebahed

Census data reply Edit


I had the first 3 books some years before the series started, but watched the first couple of seasons with only vague book memories. I have now read them all. I'm from New South Wales, Australia. Rachel P 08:01, November 9, 2014 (UTC)

Checking in Edit

Just checking in. How are things going around here? QueenBuffy35 Crown New Red 20:24, November 10, 2014 (UTC)

Not much in terms of "news". I made Ser Patrek an Admin again and he's been collaborating on an improved infobox template plus finally getting the heraldry on the infoboxes to display well.

Otherwise I'm up against midterms again so things slowed down on my end, though at the same time, i'm finally making headway on my list of Season 4 notes of stuff I meant to add in later. More information soon.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 00:50, November 11, 2014 (UTC)

Late census data Edit

Not sure if this is too late to help you, but I haven't read the books, and I don't plan on reading them since I made the mistake of reading all the spoilers over at awoiaf. I hail from and am based in the Northeastern US, but I'm usually in Cyprus when new episodes air. Hope that helps! --Ragestorm (talk) 19:03, November 12, 2014 (UTC)

What are you doing in Cyprus on a regular basis?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 21:22, November 12, 2014 (UTC)
Archaeology. I work on the remains of an Iron Age city-kingdom most summers. I catch the last few episodes per season over there.--Ragestorm (talk) 22:06, November 15, 2014 (UTC)

Telltale GamesEdit

Since the first episode of Game of Thrones: A Telltale Games Series comes out next month, will we be covering stuff from this game or should it have it's own wiki? --Greater Good (talk) 01:51, November 17, 2014 (UTC)

...I think it's like Ascent and should be separate, but to be honest I know absolutely nothing about it so I'm not sure. Er...the new plan I guess is to at least cover that on a single article devoted to the game as a whole, and we'll see what happens.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 02:10, November 17, 2014 (UTC)

They should be kept separate, in my opinion. I've already registered the domain name ", so that we can keep the subject under our jurisdiction if we so choose.--Ser Patrek, the Wolfskinner 30px 06:32, November 17, 2014 (UTC)
Hey folks! Caught this conversation and just wanted to throw in my two cents. HBO and Telltale have both confirmed the consistent events of Telltale's game is show canon, so it may make it more convenient (and less work) to keep it on this wiki. Just an idea. Oh! And we're definitely happy to help you make any adjustments you need to keep it.
Best, Jorge @Wikia(profile)•(talk) 23:34, November 17, 2014 (UTC) you have linked sources for those statements? We should put them in the article. Well, we are covering stuff in "the TV continuity" as a whole including the Blu-ray animated featurettes.

I'll have to keep an eye on this then, though there are other projects I'm getting finished up just now.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 23:59, November 17, 2014 (UTC)

Yea, as far I understand the game will follow the events concurrent in the show. Some images were actually leaked today showing off some darn good renditions of the actors in the game too. You can check them out right here. Oh, and here's some info about the game being based 100% on show canon.Jorge @Wikia(profile)•(talk) 00:16, November 18, 2014 (UTC)
Well, those screenshots haven't been confirmed to be legit yet, though I'm sure they probably are. I will be getting the game at some point, but I can't even begin to think how we'd incorporate this information here... we'd have to split all our articles up into separate namespaces: "Show" and "Game", presumably? Trying to put game exclusive information into our existing show articles will be a nightmare. Surely Ascent is set within the show universe as well? Like the Dragon said, we don't include that stuff here; nor do we include material from the 2012 role-play game. I don't agree with this at all, and will definitely want to see an official statement from HBO that says the game is canon.--Ser Patrek, the Wolfskinner 30px 11:40, November 18, 2014 (UTC)
If the game is consistent with the events from the show, I doubt much would have to be done to existing pages. I imagine it would really only be an issue for characters from the show appearing in the games. The Walking Dead wiki incorporates video game characters creating a second page for their game appearances 9 Alternatively a section could be added to the bottom of character pages for events in the game as well, so instead of having to duplicate content readers can just scroll to the bottom and read about the game events easily there. We could also help out if decided to go any of those above routes. I don't think it would be as daunting as you might think, especially because these games tend to be short and released once a month or so. As for Ascent or the RPG, I don't think either are HBO Officially licensed are they? Even if they are, both that and the RPG are not narrative-driven games like Telltale's at least, which is more like an interactive show than a game really. Jorge @Wikia(profile)•(talk) 18:01, November 18, 2014 (UTC)

Unless a separate wiki is created this wiki is going to get a fair bit lot of attention when this game comes out, in fact it would probably get a fair bit of attention anyway, this isn't like the other games on this wiki, the episodes for it will be released around a month or two apart so the attention won't go away after a couple of weeks.
I've seen the kind of attention Walking Dead and Wolf Among Us have received and assuming that this game will be no different you are going to have people coming here to add the kind of depth that Wikipedia wouldn't go into and then use that as a way of discussing the game, on TWD wiki's Forum the Video Game discussion section has more threads and posts than any other section including the comic and TV show sections combined, and yes at least 90% of the time they would be referring to the Telltale one, I'm not saying the attention will be that high for GOT but it could still get a high level of attention.
My point is that when this game is released you will have a fair bit of attention to put it mildly and if you haven't figured out how you're going to handle it things may get a little chaotic and that wouldn't be good for anyone.
Personally I think Jorge is right and I would like it if we found a way to integrate the game into this wiki rather than splitting off into a second one, regardless I think you will have to at least make pages for the episodes due to the detail level.
Finally here's a couple of links to give you an example of what I'm talking about because out of context I may look paranoid or delusional.
The First Walking Dead Game:
The TWD wiki Forum (look at the threads and posts for each section): --Gboy4 (talk) 12:16, November 20, 2014 (UTC)

Game of Thrones QuizEdit

Hey! I reached out to Buffy about this but noticed she hasn't been online recently, so I wanted to check in with you. We have this nice little pencil header for the quiz that we were thinking would be nice to go on the Tyrion, Jaime, Jon, Arya, Daenerys, and Baelish pages since they are the final results on the personality quiz. The idea is that, if people happen upon the article, they'll see the header and click on it to go to the quiz. Let me know if that's alright with you! I've attached the image so you can see how it looks. Is it alright if I add it to the top of the article pages that I listed above?
PQuiz GameofThrones PencilUnit
Grace @Wikia (profile)•(talk) 23:26, November 17, 2014 (UTC

Oh sure, that's okay.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 23:58, November 17, 2014 (UTC)

Great! I'll add them in today :) Grace @Wikia (profile)•(talk) 16:28, November 18, 2014 (UTC)


I've given back the Image (Character) category to those images I messed around with yesterday. I'm sorry about this, but we learn from our mistakes, don't we? – The Snow Prince (talk) 16:57, November 21, 2014 (UTC)

You are being very obsequious.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 02:13, November 22, 2014 (UTC)

Small Council Edit

Shall we hold a small council meeting to discuss how to proceed regarding the Telltale game.?--Ser Patrek, the Wolfskinner 30px 10:47, November 23, 2014 (UTC)

...yeah. I'm not really sure how to proceed. The thought struck me that if they have the time and resources to make an invented TV/video game storyline, they have the time and resources to make webisodes that tell the ironborn subplot which has been happening "off screen". Well, that only really started in book 4 and they didn't do much in book 3, fair enough. But we're reached the absolute last point that they can mention the ironborn subplot before it becomes problematic.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 16:25, November 23, 2014 (UTC)

That's an interesting idea. The fact that actors from the show are voicing their own characters has convinced me that game is indeed canon, so right now I'm leaning towards including it here. It's just not practical to start a companion wiki now at this late stage... the damn thing could be released any day now, so whatever we decide we need to do it quick.--Ser Patrek, the Wolfskinner 30px 16:53, November 23, 2014 (UTC)
Christ, it's happening already!--Ser Patrek, the Wolfskinner 30px 21:16, November 23, 2014 (UTC)

Telltale Checklist Edit

Okay, so I've written a House Forrester article, complete with sigil; I've created shield and banner icons for heraldry, and added it to the relevant articles; I've set up a "Forrester navbox", and rolled it out, and am in the middle of cleaning up and completing the character articles that we currently know about. I've also made a new image licensing tag for Telltale and tagged the necessary file pages with it, and also made new categories for video game characters and images. I'm determined to get on top of this situation before the first episode is released... is there anything else you want me to do?--Ser Patrek, the Wolfskinner 30px 13:37, November 24, 2014 (UTC)

...I'm not sure. This is amazing work, thank you for jumping onto this.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 22:45, November 24, 2014 (UTC)

Navboxes Edit

Hi, All the navboxes are unreadable as the words blend into the background color. Not very user friendly

This has been on my to-do list for awhile now... apologies for not getting round to it sooner. I'll have a look tomorrow morning.--Ser Patrek, the Wolfskinner 30px 11:28, November 29, 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I'm painfully aware. Busy with holiday weekend and end of semester projects, will get a better handle on things when real-life stuff gets finished.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 21:33, November 29, 2014 (UTC)

Checking in Edit

Checking in once again :) How are things going here? QueenBuffy35 Crown New Red 19:43, December 1, 2014 (UTC)

Game of Thrones Programming PromotionEdit

Hey, Dragon! Our bracket tournament is nearing the end and the personality quiz is still getting some traffic, but we were hoping to get more eyes on both those items. With that said, I can't remember if we discussed sending out a Community Message about them? It would be great if we could use that feature to promote one or both of those programs to people that visit this wikia :) Let me know what you think! Grace @Wikia (profile)•(talk) 21:35, December 2, 2014 (UTC)

Oh sure, that's fine.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 21:42, December 3, 2014 (UTC)

Cool, I'll put those out today, thanks :) Grace @Wikia (profile)•(talk) 16:28, December 4, 2014 (UTC)

Hey Dragon, the character tournament just ended today and I posted the winners blog here! Feel free to replace that slide on the main page with whatever you want, and thanks again for letting us promote on there :) Grace @Wikia (profile)•(talk) 22:56, December 19, 2014 (UTC)

Back. Edit

Hey Hey, I'll be around a little more now :) Got an internet booster on the way, but for now decided I'll use a hotspot on my cell. Things going good? What is the latest with the game stuff? QueenBuffy35 Crown New Red 17:58, December 7, 2014 (UTC)

Great. Well I'm not sure what's going on with the game, we're at least watching it for info. has an interesting review up discussing canon status.

School semester ends for me on December 18th, then I can finally sit down and get to work on the major projects that need to be done.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 21:07, December 7, 2014 (UTC)


thanks and you are welcome ^^

Thanks for your infos.

I love the series, the story is very great and I love the charas. I can't wait to see the new season. ^^

Have a nice day.

Fannotation VidEdit

Just a heads up that I placed the Fannotation video in the Featured Vid module on the main page! Cheers, Peter@Wikia 19:35, December 8, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Game of Thrones Cast ListEdit

Hey there,

Thank you for getting back to me. She is this Mary Jordan. She scheduled to be in Season 5 Ep. 10. She is trying to get her online presence out there and is in the middle of getting her IMDb page updated as well as her Wikipedia. If we can help her get started that would be great. Thanks again for your response and help.

Mighty No. 9 (talk) 22:15, December 15, 2014 (UTC)


You have a new message. FishyTicTacs (talk) 22:55, December 17, 2014 (UTC)

Why isn't the lock on my profile off?FishyTicTacs (talk) 23:15, December 18, 2014 (UTC)

Can you please respond?FishyTicTacs (talk) 23:16, December 18, 2014 (UTC)

I did respond to you, on your Talk page. This is my Talk page.

These "are" messages.

For example when you left a message above saying "You have a new message" -- that's like leaving a letter in a mailbox with only "this is a letter" written on it.

Yes, the lock on your profile was removed a while ago.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 00:12, December 19, 2014 (UTC)

Infoboxes Edit

I've just been speaking with UltimateSupreme, and it seems like we're ready to start rolling out the new infobox template. If you don't mind, could you please make him a temporary administrator while he does this, as he needs to be able to modify the CSS? This would just be while the work is carried out, which won't be for long.--Ser Patrek, the Wolfskinner 30px 14:24, December 3, 2014 (UTC)

Would be nice if you could do it now. I'd be free for a while--~UltimateSupreme 08:44, December 19, 2014 (UTC)

Bastard to !@#$%^&* Edit

I fixed the word filter. --Gladiatus (talk) 13:13, December 21, 2014 (UTC)

Mary Jordan Edit

Hi TDD, I think the link that Mighty left us is the one for the correct Mary Jordan. I'm not sure how to go about it exactly though. Thoughts? QueenBuffy35 Crown New Red 05:00, December 24, 2014 (UTC)

Wiki StatusEdit

There have been several people on this wikia recently who have been "messing it up". Like for example someone gave the title "Bord of winterfell" to Bran. It was on this wikia for many days before i undid it. Like, what's going on with this wikia recently?

Pungrotte (talk) 21:59, January 3, 2015 (UTC)Pungrotte

I meant "Gord of Winterfell". And someone also changed Yara Greyjoys name to Liara Greyjoy, and i had to fix that too.

Pungrotte (talk) 22:03, January 3, 2015 (UTC)​Pungrotte​

Well, I couldn't edit over the Christmas holiday...then in late December my laptop died on me. I am using a borrowed spare at the moment which I only just managed to acquire.

I also need to catch up on major projects at the moment. All of January until the next school semester starts up again in early February, that's "catch up time" to finally get to all of this.

It would be a great help if you could provide me with direct links to such vandalism, I have to get major projects done first before I get to catching up on policing daily editing (since October 7th - there's quite a backlog of checking that needs doing).

Short answer: laptop died, but I'm working on it. And with fall semester done, I now have a one month window to kick things into high gear.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 22:06, January 3, 2015 (UTC)

Season 5 Locations Edit

Hello. I'd like to ask that how are we going to division (is that a verb?) the locations where things happen in the upcoming season? During season 4, we divisioned them by the exact places where they happen (ala At the Dreadfort), but in previous seasons we had them divisoned by regions (in the Seven Kingdoms). So. are we going to do specific locations (Season 4) or regions (Seasons 1-3 + S04E10)? --Gladiatus (talk) 20:28, January 12, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, on the to-do list is that even I finally realized that making a strict division between "In the Seven Kingdoms", "At and Beyond the Wall", and "Across the Narrow Sea" doesn't make that much sense because the bulk of most storylines happens in the Seven Kingdoms.

So new plan is to do it "At the Eyrie", "In King's Landing", etc.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 21:35, January 12, 2015 (UTC)

Ah, ok. I was just curios because in The Children article it was different like in the pre-season 4. --Gladiatus (talk) 13:39, January 14, 2015 (UTC)

Fannotation TrailerEdit

Hi DD,

Just a heads up, I am going to replace the featured video on the mainpage with the new episode 2 fannotation trailer. I'm gonna put it there for now, let me know if you have any objections or concerns,

Thank you!

Knakveey (talk) 22:34, January 27, 2015 (UTC)

Affiliates Edit

Hi :) My name is John and I'm an admin on Mistresses Wiki.

I just started watching the show and upon visiting the wikia I saw the affiliates list. I was wondering if you'd be interesting in affiliating my wikia ? :) Zooomi 23:59, January 29, 2015 (UTC)

Well okay, but you need to talk to User:QueenBuffy, she's the Admin in charge of Affiliation.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 01:06, January 30, 2015 (UTC)

Season 5 Trailer Edit

I put a Season 5 trailer vid on the main page because we needed one up...but I know it isn't the HBO one, as it hasn't been uploaded to Youtube yet. I will keep an eye out for it though, and replace it with the HBO one, when it comes available. It looks pretty amazing doesn't it?! I about had a nerdgasm when I heard the trailer put to Heroes by David Bowie!! lol I cannot wait!!!!! QueenBuffy35 Crown New Red 00:33, January 31, 2015 (UTC)

Well they put a good on on their Facebook page:

Eh, we'll switch to the official GameOfThrones Youtube channel's version whenever they get around to updating it.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 00:36, January 31, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, I couldn't figure out how to get the link from the FB page/vid... I think we have to wait til the Youtube version is uploaded. What do you think about it?? I am really liking the idea of Baelish and Sansa. QueenBuffy35 Crown New Red 00:45, January 31, 2015 (UTC)

Episode 2 Mainpage ChangesEdit


This is Knakveey from Wikia's game team. I wanted to reach out to some of the active admins with a request in regards to the main page for the upcoming Telltale: GoT episode 2 that is due out soon. This is of course a request and you can decline to have any changes made, but you might find some of the suggestions helpful for the wiki.

- Would it be possible to have the latest fannotation trailers highlighted on the mainpage slider? I know it is currently under "featured media", but it would be great to have it in the slider too.

- What are your thoughts about adding a "Telltale" link under the "Episodes" tab in the nav bar? It would allow users to access articles in regards to the game more efficiently.

- We thought it would be nice to add a right rail unit that highlights the most recent game episode/game character/crucial choice, etc. This would be a new unit on the page and it would be designed by our artists here. They would make something that is slick and will not deviate from the overall look of the wiki. This design will also be sent to you before proceeding so we can make sure it's something that you like and are happy with. Alternatively, what about using the existing "Featured Article" section to highlight the current episode?

If you prefer, I can also post this on the forum/small council and repeat what I have mentioned above.

Again, you do not need to do any of these things, but it is something we think can help improve traffic to the page and increase it's reputation for being a great database for all things Game of Thrones.

Thanks for your time,

Knakveey (talk) 22:37, February 2, 2015 (UTC)

Navbox colorsEdit

We need to get the color schemes of navboxes fixed.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 18:48, February 4, 2015 (UTC)

yes, I'm painfully aware.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 20:45, February 4, 2015 (UTC)


If you don't want me to make anymore fanfic I won't anymore, you have my word. --Ghost Hunter 85 (talk) 7:33, February 5, 2015 (UTC)

Old Ghiscari Edit

I've finally gotten started working on your request to add citations to Old Ghiscari. Sorry it's taken so long! In some cases I'm having trouble tracking down a public, official source that explicitly calls the word Ghiscari (One particularly vexing case: DJP mentions on that gadbag is an Astapori word, not (normally) used in HV. It's pretty manifestly of Ghiscari origin, but he never actually uses that word!) But if our purpose is merely to prove these aren't random made-up words someone threw on to the wiki, perhaps in some cases citing the language wiki would be sufficient? I am sometimes sloppy in citing my sources there (especially since so many are personal communications with DJP via email or IRC), but I am careful not to allow vocabulary items there unless I have seen their source. What do you think? --Mad Latinist (talk) 20:43, February 11, 2015 (UTC)

Referring to the language wiki is fine, though you might want to concentrate your efforts there first. This is "for posterity" and I'm worried about making incorrect citations which will become preserved for years (we don't have the resources to thoroughly check them all). But do what you can, it is all appreciated.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:30, February 12, 2015 (UTC)

Broken link on protected page Edit

On the table for the Assault on the Dreadfort page the link to the next event Court trial of Tyrion Lannister is broken, it instead says "Court Trial of Tyrion Lannister" and isn't working due to the word "Trial" being capitalized, it's not red but it places you in a blank page that is a candidate of deletion.-Gboy4 (talk) 00:58, February 12, 2015 (UTC)

​Ellaria SandEdit

...Not sure why people​ are against looking the scene up themselves to see, but: Gourgeist (talk) 22:17, February 14, 2015 (UTC)

....There's this longer version of that scene in "Bastards of Westeros":

Oh crud. That wasn't in the final edit?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 22:23, February 14, 2015 (UTC)

Oh that makes sense now. Apologies. Gourgeist (talk) 22:25, February 14, 2015 (UTC)

Well yeah but you're right, it wasn't in the finished episode.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 23:26, February 14, 2015 (UTC)

I see. I've always been confused in what counts as canon in that regard so I've never messed with it. Gourgeist (talk) 23:46, February 14, 2015 (UTC)

Site merge Edit

Hi, The Dragon Demands!

As the good folks here know, we have an existing Game of Thrones wikia that exists solely to document content for the Telltale game. After discussing it with the lead admin over there, a tentative agreement has been reached that would result in the merging of that site into this one. I am aware that a recent vote was cast here on how to include game information, but am also aware that the existing team here has been focused almost exclusively on the television series.

Here is the proposal - please keep in mind this is not set in stone and is certainly up for debate, as consensus needs to be reached between the two sites before anything moves forward:

  1. The team over there wants to focus exclusively on the game when the sites are merged which, of course, frees the team here to focus on the television series.
  2. It is preferable that the admin team over there be included in the leadership here; additionally, it would probably be nice to have the lead admin from over there be a bcrat here in order to have the "game team" represented.
  3. There should be some indication on the main page and the navigation that articles on the game exist on the wikia
  4. There are no plans to change the look or feel of the site here, at least in general; given that the team being merged already has a look in place for their pages, it might be best to take what they've done and tweak it so it fits with the theme of this site - this will potentially be something that would have to be sandboxed and then agreed upon, unless there's no issue (of course)

That pretty much sums things up. I would be doing the heavy lifting of import/export in order to keep all revision histories intact as much as possible. Smaller changes have to be carried over manually, as well as images and templates. The lead admin over there would likely assist with the latter. I would also be involved in every step of the merger from beginning to end and would be on-hand to answer any questions or solve any issues that might arise.

The obvious benefits of this include this team being able to focus solely on what their passion was in the first place, namely the television series. Another team completely related to their passion - the game - means the best of both worlds. Obviously there would be an increase in traffic here with the redirect alone; but then Telltale is planning a Fan Studio endeavor, which would bump traffic up even more (hopefully) and result in both teams of admins able to potentially benefit from any information from the gaming company... and who knows what else related to GoT they might reveal.

Please let me know what you think at your earliest convenience!

Best regards,

Raylan13@Wikia (talk) 04:27, February 18, 2015 (UTC)

Duncan sigil Edit

I'd never even seen this page in the prop before. Have you? [3]--Ser Patrek, the Paintbrush Knight 15:07, February 22, 2015 (UTC)

oh yes, one of the backlogged "Notes and Screencaps from Season 4" on my "to do" list, behind all the other stuff. School started up slowing me down.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 15:24, February 22, 2015 (UTC)

One season = one year Edit

I'm curious. Has it been confirmed that one season is one year, or is it just wiki thing? Because to me it seems impossible that seasons 2 and 4 lasted more than several months. --Gladiatus (talk) 19:23, February 23, 2015 (UTC)

I provided some examples on the Timeline page. These are things I would "discuss" with the writers if we ever contact them (haha). They don't follow their own rules very closely but do seem to at least follow it in theory. Specifically, Robert's Rebellion was "17 years ago" in Season 1, but then people start saying it was "18 years ago" in Season 2. Then in Season 3, we have Talisa remark that the War of the Five Kings began "two years" ago. So they do vaguely seem to be following this principle. It doesn't affect that much story-wise, but realistically, the child actors only age at a rate of one year.
My bigger concern is establishing a start date. For a long time we didn't know what the "current" year is - if Robert's Rebellion started two years earlier or later in the books. With some frustration it was eventually settled that they both started in 298 AL -- because prop letters from Season 1 have "298 AL" written on them. This might just be an oversight on their part...but it's a better solution than just shrugging our shoulders and saying we have no idea. A temporary/functional solution which has yet to be outright contradicted.
Check out the Timeline page for more.

--The Dragon Demands (talk) 19:29, February 23, 2015 (UTC)

qu Edit


Chat room? I have a question. QueenBuffy35 Crown New Red 19:31, February 23, 2015 (UTC)

Histories & Lore screencapsEdit

This guy uploaded the videos on 1080p, I suggest we get our caps from here to get high quality images.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 18:35, February 25, 2015 (UTC)

He's the one I've been using, I just haven't uploaded them yet. School was Monday and Tuesday, now free to load up the rest.

We should make a list.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:58, February 25, 2015 (UTC)

What to do Edit

I want to help, but finding it hard to jump in. Can you tell me anything that needs to be done? :) QueenBuffy35 Crown New Red 02:29, February 27, 2015 (UTC)

We can complete the sigils of character articles using the new templates. Complete the summaries of the new histories & lore articles and make sure the screencaps are in high quality.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 02:45, February 27, 2015 (UTC)
Ok, sounds great. :) QueenBuffy35 Crown New Red 02:56, February 27, 2015 (UTC)

Is it a spoiler? Edit

Hey, I'd like to know is it a spoiler if we write about Sansa going to Winterfell in Season 5 (Sansa in crypts, Arryn men going to Winterfell) in the differences from books sections? Since you know you can see it in trailers, etc. Personally I am not a fan of this thing (almost bad as no Tysha). --Gladiatus (talk) 20:11, March 9, 2015 (UTC)

I will handle it. It's...hard to say, really. Littlefinger says in Sansa's final chapter so far that he intends to use her as a symbol for the Valemen to retake the North from the Boltons (thus officially turning on the Lannisters), but it's based on stuff from the next, unpublished novel. So while it is a "condensation", it's a condensation including FUTURE how the heck can we JUDGE it as a good or bad condensation? I'm trying to not give myself a seizure by considering "maybe this is close enough to how the next book goes".--The Dragon Demands (talk) 20:31, March 9, 2015 (UTC)
Let's just hope she won't replace Jeyne. Hrr. --Gladiatus (talk) 14:39, March 10, 2015 (UTC)
Well my opinion is that ANYTHING revealing what happens in the new season should be classed as a spoiler. Stuff like "Gendry will appear in season 5" is absolutely a spoiler and the same thing goes for the above in my opinion. Some may not agree and it is difficult considering there is written material the tells us almost exactly what's going to happen and in the end it's not my decision but I don't feel this kind of stuff has a place on the Wiki.
I don't think we have to write about it straight away, no one is demanding this information immediately, once the episode airs then it's fine, again in my opinion. - Son Of Fire (talk) 14:48, March 10, 2015 (UTC)

I did a preliminary writeup, please continue discussion on Talk page over there: --The Dragon Demands (talk) 16:37, March 10, 2015 (UTC)

Apologies Edit

Sorry if my comment on Tyene Sand's talk-page offended you. I have very little time for those two, and am not shy about saying so. "How many eyes does Lord Bloodraven have?" 11:49, March 10, 2015 (UTC)

What? It's nothing, you can voice your opinions.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 16:39, March 10, 2015 (UTC)

GOT Roleplay WikiEdit

Would you be interested in joining? Byzantinefire 18:15, March 11, 2015 (UTC)

I am sorry but no: ours is a world of fact, not fan-creations. Besides I'm so buried with work on this wiki - what kind of Admin would I be if I was spending a ton of time on a roleplay?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 19:45, March 11, 2015 (UTC)
Well i know plenty of admins who roleplay like Dlrgirl75 she was plenty of roleplay wiki's. Byzantinefire 20:11, March 11, 2015 (UTC)

It's more that we're really busy, what with Season 5 almost starting up.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 21:13, March 11, 2015 (UTC)
Well that was one of the reasons for me to create one but can i still ask around? Byzantinefire 21:18, March 11, 2015 (UTC)

Well there's no reason not to. I'm of the mentality that "This is going to happen anyway, best that people who know what they're doing start it so we can steer it in a mature direction". I.e. I'm a hardcore book fan but I wanted to help set up a TV show adaptation wiki, to make sure it was guided by book fans instead of people who had no idea what they were doing taking charge. If you, a qualified wiki don't work on a GOT Roleplaying wiki, someone unqualified will. --The Dragon Demands (talk) 21:23, March 11, 2015 (UTC)
So a blog about the GOT roleplay wiki then? Byzantinefire 21:27, March 11, 2015 (UTC)

What? Yeah, no problem.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 22:28, March 11, 2015 (UTC)

Olenna and Ellaria Edit

Where was it confirmed that Olenna and Ellaria's actors have been promoted to the main cast? I can't find any source on the wiki, yet it says they're both going to be major in the fifth season. Thanks if you can help! CoyoteDork (talk) 20:31, March 12, 2015 (UTC)

...I don't know. I assume we'll get confirmation eventually.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 20:34, March 12, 2015 (UTC)

Brazen Beasts or Sons of the Harpy? Or both?Edit

Seems that the guys with horned bronze masks were the sons of the harpy and not the brazen beasts as we originally thought.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 21:38, March 12, 2015 (UTC)

I put out the theory that maybe they're Sons of the Harpy who then STOLE some Brazen Beasts masks, which is plausible but...well, we'll know soon enough.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 21:45, March 12, 2015 (UTC)

I was thinking that, because the men in the first images of masked men weren't wearing the tv!tokars.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 21:53, March 12, 2015 (UTC)

Flaying Edit

Roose doesn't chide Ramsay for flaying the ironborn. [4]. "How many eyes does Lord Bloodraven have?" 17:46, March 15, 2015 (UTC)

He really doesn't. "The Dragon Demands" must have been remembering that from ADWD, where it did happen. In the show it doesn't, though. I edited back. —ArticXiongmao (talk) 17:50, March 15, 2015 (UTC)


Roose: "Most of the ironborn have fled the North - now more will follow, thanks to you."

He doesn't use the specific word "flaying", but I think it's clear that he's chiding what Ramsay did (and probably more will follow on this note next season).--The Dragon Demands (talk) 17:52, March 15, 2015 (UTC)

How is that "chiding"? He's clearly congratulating him for driving the Greyjoys out of the North... "How many eyes does Lord Bloodraven have?" 17:54, March 15, 2015 (UTC)
He's congratulating that he got a difficult task done, as well as chiding him that the manner in which he did it will result in more Greyjoys coming, when as he said earlier in the season, he wanted to quickly make peace with the Greyjoys to focus on reining in the other Northern Houses to Bolton rule.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:01, March 15, 2015 (UTC)
What are you talking about, TDD? He was thanking him for taking Moat Cailin. He also didn't display the flayed men in the Dreadfort as he did in the books. You're mixing up the book with the show here, I'm sorry to say. Roose was only congratulatory in this scene —ArticXiongmao (talk) 17:56, March 15, 2015 (UTC)

1 - How is "more will follow thanks to you" a compliment?

2 - I'm not confusing this with the book scene. I'm aware of the book scene and pointing out how it's hinting at it.

3 - While they aren't displayed in the scene that Roose is talking to Ramsay, yes, remember when the flayed bodies of the Greyjoy men are littered around Moat Cailin and Ramsay brags about it to Reek?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 17:59, March 15, 2015 (UTC)

They WANT the Ironborn to flee the North. I don't get how you don't understand this. He's saying that now most of the Ironborn have fled the North, and thanks to Ramsay's actions now the rest will follow. How can you possibly understand anything different? —ArticXiongmao (talk) 18:01, March 15, 2015 (UTC)

"More will follow" means more will leave! Unless your implying that Roose wants the ironborn in the North, I'm not where your confusion is coming from. "How many eyes does Lord Bloodraven have?" 18:03, March 15, 2015 (UTC)

18:03, March 15, 2015 (UTC)

...Okay now I see what you're saying. You think he meant "more will follow them in fleeing". ...I still think that in context he meant "more will follow and come to the North", though admittedly the line is confusingly worded.

The key point I was focusing on is that he said "most" had already left, so he would have said "the few remaining will follow" or "the rest will follow" if he meant they were leaving, but that "more" implies that they will return in large numbers.

...Now I'm not absolutely certain what they meant by that line.

--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:04, March 15, 2015 (UTC)

It's not confusing at all. They're closing the arc for the season. Ramsay is successful in his mission and Roose rewards him for it as he promised ("Take the Moat for the family, and I'll reconsider your position".)  —ArticXiongmao (talk) 18:08, March 15, 2015 (UTC)

It couldn't be clearer. The scene is positive affirmation of Ramsay's worthiness to be Roose's heir, culminating in his legitimization. "How many eyes does Lord Bloodraven have?" 18:09, March 15, 2015 (UTC)
Exactly. And how does "more will follow" mean more will go back to the North? Who they will follow? The only possible sense of the word is that they will follow those who have fled. In other words, they will flee as well. —ArticXiongmao (talk) 18:10, March 15, 2015 (UTC)

...the writers could have made that line more clear. I still think it might have meant "follow them here" (why not just say "the remainder will follow" instead of "more"?) Well, because it's vague and doesn't specifically mention flaying, yeah it may be better to omit that point for now.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:11, March 15, 2015 (UTC)

You're only one I've seen who interprets it like this. It's a rewarding scene for Ramsay, not a chastising one. Listen to the commentaries, read reviews, I don't know... The point is, it's a clear-cut piece of dialogue "Most have fled —more will follow." I don't see any other reasonable way to interpret it; more of the remaining ironborn will do as most of their brethren already have and flee the North.

I've asked Bryan Cogman, though I find th is a bit stupid. But maybe there's luck! —ArticXiongmao (talk) 18:17, March 15, 2015 (UTC)

Well okay; make the appropriate revisions.

when did you ask Cogman?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:37, March 15, 2015 (UTC)

A long must watch videos and no easy link to newly uploaded imagesEdit

We should contact wikia and tell them to reduce the amount of "must-watch videos" that show up to the right of articles.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 21:59, March 15, 2015 (UTC)

Those can be intrusive - I saw it earlier today when the "recent changes" were pushed below the videos. However it seems fine now.

We need more control over those given that they're on every page.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 02:51, March 16, 2015 (UTC)

Bran and abilities chat Edit

Made another reply on my wall, please take a look.

Kiljaedenas (talk) 20:39, March 17, 2015 (UTC)

Hi, I saw that you had been working on the wiki for GOTand was wondering if you'd be interested in creating newsline pages for the actors. Newslines is like a "Wikipedia for news". Our writers add 50-150 word summaries of news (life events, YouTube performances, interviews, crimes etc) about celebrities, authors, companies and products. The summaries are sorted into interactive news timelines called "newslines". You can add news on any topic you like.

Because we share 50% of advertising revenue with our contributors, someone like you could make a lot of money (possibly thousands of dollars/month) for very little time investment on your part. Have a look at the site, and let me know what you think:

"In the books" for "The Wars to Come" Edit

Since we already got a pretty complete synopsis of the premiere, I'm writing the "In the books" section, which will of course remain off the wiki until the episode airs. I just wanted to get ahead of it, because there are many details which are often only added months later, since scenes often have dialogue and events from many different chapters. For example, Cersei's scenes in this episode are taken from Cersei I (she awakes to discover that Tywin is dead), Cersei II (Tywin's wake, meeting Lancel), Cersei VI (meeting the High Sparrow for the first time) and Cersei VIII (the Maggy flashback is recounted in full first in this chapter, even if it was alluded to earlier.) So, if you're interested to see the work in progress, I'd share it here or in my page. If you want, of course. —ArticXiongmao (talk) 12:06, March 19, 2015 (UTC)

1 - Only go in broad strokes.

2 - Only give episode spoilers on the separate "Differences between books and TV series" page (though this is interlinked).

3 - Obviously, we won't know the full details until the episode actually airs...--The Dragon Demands (talk) 14:13, March 19, 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for the guidance ;) Of course, it will be considered a work in progress until the episode is released. I'm sure many things were missed in these summaries. I've already posted it in my own account's Talk page. What do you think? —ArticXiongmao (talk) 14:34, March 19, 2015 (UTC)

Overall good, though the Jon XI parts seem more based on the TV description than how the books did it (Jon doesn't talk to Stannis atop the Wall).--The Dragon Demands (talk) 14:50, March 19, 2015 (UTC)

I didn't remember that at all either, and it's not specified in the asoiaf wiki, that's how it happens. I looked it up in my e-book, and indeed that's how it is. —ArticXiongmao (talk) 14:59, March 19, 2015 (UTC)

If you can't confirm exact details be vague, i.e. just "Jon talks to Stannis about what to do with Mance and the wildlings."--The Dragon Demands (talk) 15:02, March 19, 2015 (UTC)

Oh, I confirmed it, don't worry. I looked it up:

“The king would speak with you, Jon Snow.”
Jon thrust the practice sword into the earth. “Might I be allowed to change? I am in no fit state to stand before a king.”
“We shall await you atop the Wall,” said Melisandre. 
Melisandre was waiting for him at the base of the Wall. She had sent her queen’s men away. “What does His Grace want of me?” Jon asked her as they entered the cage.
“All you have to give, Jon Snow. He is a king.”
He shut the door and pulled the bell cord. The winch began to turn. They rose. 
They found Stannis Baratheon standing alone at the edge of the Wall, brooding over the field where he had won his battle, and the great green forest beyond.

I also didn't remember Jon having "Mance" shot so he didn't suffer, but it did happen. The only difference being that in the show Jon'll shot him himself —ArticXiongmao (talk) 15:04, March 19, 2015 (UTC)

Userbox Edit

Any clue as to why the Night's Watch userbox on my page has stopped displaying properly?--The White Winged Fury 15:53, March 19, 2015 (UTC)

...that's been happening in a couple of galleries, actually. I've noticed it on the Heraldry and Costumes pages. Some days, one image will randomly stop displaying properly, but be okay again hours later. I think it might be server strain or something but I don't really know.
...keep an eye on it and tell us if it's still not displaying properly in a few days.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 15:55, March 19, 2015 (UTC)
Okay, will do. Thanks.--The White Winged Fury 16:02, March 19, 2015 (UTC)
It's displaying fine now. Thanks.--The White Winged Fury 14:14, March 22, 2015 (UTC)

laptop issues Edit

im sending this from my mobile, as my laptop has clapped out. i'm trying to get it fixed but wanted you to know that any absence on my part over the next few days/weeks is a result of this. please pass this onto our colleagues, and please bear with me. regards, patrick

--Crud. I've been there before.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 19:28, March 19, 2015 (UTC)

House Martell's youngest son Edit

In "What is Dead May Never Die", Tyrion describes the as of yet unnamed Trystane as House Martell's youngest son, not Doran Martell's youngest son, as it's claimed in the "In the books" section of Trystane's page, quoting Elio Garcia.

"I'm brokering an alliance with House Martell of Dorne. Princess Myrcella will wed their youngest son when she comes of age, ensuring their loyalty and their army should we need it" —Tyrion Lannister to Grand Maester Pycelle.

Why does it matter? There's a big difference. The latter implies Doran himself has other children, which he doesn't have in season five; the former simply means Tyrion will marry Myrcella to the most age-aproproiate male member of the Martell family—that is, House Martell's youngest son. Though I'm sure they weren't planning to cut both Arianne and Quentyn back in Season 2, they worded it very carefully so that, if they did, it never became a continuity issue. And it isn't, thankfully ;) —ArticXiongmao (talk) 19:26, March 19, 2015 (UTC)

...that's just taking exact words to an extreme. The spirit of the statement was obvious.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 19:29, March 19, 2015 (UTC)

Well, of course. That's why it isn't "technically" a continuity issue. If we're going to accuse them of a continuity mistake, we have to be factual. It was carefully worded, vaguely worded, precisely so that there couldn't be mistakes in the future. Doran's name wasn't even mentioned, let alone Trystane's. It's not just names; Tyrion doesn't even allude to the Prince of Dorne, just the House, the family, and their youngest male member, not specifically Doran's youngest son. That's a fact. It's not taking exact words to the extreme, when their ruling Prince wasn't even referenced. The "spirit" of the statement was only obvious in the meaning we though it had for book readers; but it also fits the current show canon. Fits both perfectly. —ArticXiongmao (talk) 19:31, March 19, 2015 (UTC)


As an Administrator-level policy decision, this line was obviously referring to Doran. Even pointed it out.

Drop the issue. Do not even mention it in articles. It's simply a continuity error.

I also think it is incongruent to be instructed on the meaning of exact words by someone whose primary language isn't English (I think?)--The Dragon Demands (talk) 19:44, March 19, 2015 (UTC)

I'm just saying we were reading into it as book readers. Anyway, we'll see how it plays out when season five starts. English is my second language, true... so? Can you bother to explain how that sentence does NOT fit the current canon, instead of throwing ad hominems? For us book readers, the line implied otherwise, but it doesn't contradict the current canon. How is it a contunity issue? Please explain it to me. Still, don't worry, I'm not going to edit anything, that's why I asked you here instead of changing it myself, I knew you may take umbrage. —ArticXiongmao (talk) 19:49, March 19, 2015 (UTC)

Actually the level of English comprehension in this instance is fine - the vague level of interpretation and such. I shouldn't have brought that up it is irrelevant here.

...The writers have been intentionally vague before in Season 2, if their line "Stannis has no sons" is any indication (they made sure to word it so they could later say he has a daughter).

...don't make mention of it unless or until we get a specific quote from the writers themselves, specifically saying "we said "youngest son" in Season 2 to be intentionally vague, because that could be interpreted as "youngest male member" of their family". --The Dragon Demands (talk) 19:52, March 19, 2015 (UTC)

Gotcha. As I said, wasn't going to change anything myself, don't worry ;) —ArticXiongmao (talk) 19:54, March 19, 2015 (UTC)

"Jaqen" Edit

Hey Dragon, I'm curious about something. If the leaked script summary turns out to be correct, Jaqen is back, but he is only back insofar as "Jaqen" was ever there —that is, a different Faceless Man, the Kindly Man (don't know if they'll credit him or call him like that, but anyway), puting on Jaqen's face. If so... does he get his own page, or how that does work? In the books, the faces seemed to implant some memories in the user, so... if this Kindly Jaqen has memories of meeting Arya, do we simply continue writing on Jaqen's page? If he doesn't, is a new page created? What if he's not credited as anything other than Jaqen? I'm a bit confused about what would be done in this case. Have you given any thoughts to this? —ArticXiongmao (talk) 00:15, March 20, 2015 (UTC)

...I don't think they outright implanted memories with each new face, but either way, I doubt the TV version will actually state that to confirm it.

In which case, he's the Kindly Man - who happens to also be played by the same actor. He's not "Jaqen H'ghar". Yes he will be a separate article.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 00:19, March 20, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks! —ArticXiongmao (talk) 00:22, March 20, 2015 (UTC)

Martell family treeEdit

Perhaps its time to expand the tree to mention each of the Sand Snakes.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 02:43, March 24, 2015 (UTC)

I want to, but we have not yet confirmed if TV-Tyene is Ellaria's daughter or not.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 14:04, March 24, 2015 (UTC)

Richard III Edit

I noticed on your userpage that you're a Medieval Historian? I've just been watching the live reburial of King Richard III. I'm not sure f you have access to any UK TV channels over there, but it was broadcast on Chanel 4; maybe you can watch it online? If you can, you definitely should. It was fascinating, as I'm sure you can imagine.--The White Winged Fury 17:34, March 26, 2015 (UTC)

I am aware, though Richard III is practically Early Modern.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 17:43, March 26, 2015 (UTC)
True, but I figured it would probably interest you.--The White Winged Fury 17:45, March 26, 2015 (UTC)

In the "characters" category on the top of the wikia, I think you should switch out Grey Worm for Daario Naharis. The reason for that is because Daario is a much more important character to Dany's storyline, and the fact that Daario will be a major character in the fifth season I just thought this would make sence. Let me know what you think.

Sebahed (talk) 21:11, March 26, 2015 (UTC)

Change in the "characters" section Edit

In the "characters" category on the top of the wikia, I think you should switch out Grey Worm for Daario Naharis. The reason for that is because Daario is a much more important character to Dany's storyline, and the fact that Daario will be a major character in the fifth season I just thought this would make sence. Let me know what you think. Sorry for asking twice but forgot headline :/

Sebahed (talk) 21:14, March 26, 2015 (UTC) see they're physically limited to only ten items in a list.

....I think it's time to remove Jorah, he's kind of a free agent now not affiliated with the Targaryens.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 21:15, March 26, 2015 (UTC)

TTGOT Family Trees Edit

It's ok. Just felt like doing it really. I'm also getting around to the other houses of the TTGOT since they're not very large.JK1011x (talk) 00:57, March 27, 2015 (UTC)

Yes I noticed half way through doing it so I changed it and did the same for the family trees I made. JK1011x (talk) 13:22, March 28, 2015 (UTC)

Tyene, Ellaria's daughter Edit

In a Spanish TV interview the actress for Tyene confirmed that in the show she's Oberyn's and Ellaria's daughter, if there was any doubt:

The interview is dubbed-over, but she says: “I play the role of the youngest one, in the show I am Oberyn and Ellaria’s daughter.” We also get our first Dornish dialogue in this video, by the way. —ArticXiongmao (talk) 21:58, March 27, 2015 (UTC)

.......(long pause)

.....7.62 millimeter....full metal jacket.......

--The Dragon Demands (talk) 04:14, March 28, 2015 (UTC)

GoT hits NoLa Jazz Edit

This video has been viral for awhile, but just had to share in case you have missed it. Best cover of the theme to date! Of course, I may be partial ;) lol QueenBuffy35 Crown New Red 22:46, March 28, 2015 (UTC)

It's okay, I liked that bossa nova one.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 22:53, March 28, 2015 (UTC)

Pfttt. Anything Nawlins' Jazz is best ;) lol QueenBuffy35 Crown New Red 22:53, March 28, 2015 (UTC)

Laptop Edit

I've secured a temporary replacement, which is... shite. I mean actual garbage. It's taken me ten minutes just to load my desktop. Fortunately my Birthday is not too far away, so I might be in luck! Is there anything I need to be caught up on?--Ser Patrek (talk)

Episode Pictures Edit

The pictures for episodes S5E1, S5E2 and S5E3, are they just random pictures from that episode that are going to stay in the real one's place until the actual episode airs? Or are they the pictures we are going to use for them? I am curious and High Sparrow's picture could be better if it'd be picture of High Sparrow himself or Sparrows doing damage to wine barrels. --Gladiatus (talk) 19:51, March 29, 2015 (UTC)

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