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== Promotion ==
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== C2E2 ==
   
I've upgraded you to admin. This will allow you to help with blocking vandals, altering certain limited pages and so on. Congrats, your work on the wiki has been very good :-) --[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] ([[User talk:Werthead|talk]]) 15:10, February 26, 2013 (UTC)
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http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Werthead/GAME_OF_THRONES_WIKI_at_C2E2_Chicago
   
"There is difference between a grub<br />
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"Wikia will be hosting a panel at C2E2 in Chicago on 26 April. They're flying me in specially for the event (!) and Kristian Nairn will also be part of the panel. "
and a butterfly; yet your butterfly was a grub.<br />
 
'''This Martius is grown from man to Dragon''':<br />
 
he has wings; he is more than a creeping thing."
 
::-- ''Coriolanus'', Act V, Scene IV
 
   
Here do I swear fealty and service to the ''Game of Thrones Wiki'', and to Werthead the Founder and head Administrator of the Wiki: to speak and to be silent, to do and to let be, to come and to go, in need or plenty, in peace or war, in living or dying, from this hour henceforth, until my lord release me, or death take me, or the world end.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 18:42, February 26, 2013 (UTC)
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I wrote up a lot of questions for this when the Wikia Staffers asked us to submit Q&A questions.
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http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Brian_Linder/Post_Your_Questions_for_Hodor_Actor_Kristian_Nairn
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http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Gcheung28/Post_Questions_for_Theon/Reek_Actor_Alfie_Allen
   
== Layouts ==
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I was very excited that Wikia got to set up a panel with cast members like this.
   
You and me both! lol I had no idea how to do it, and couldn't find anyone, so I got the staff to help. :) {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 22:34, February 27, 2013 (UTC)
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I have been unable to find any major reports or video of the panel.
   
==Iron Price and Old Way==
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What was it like? Was any of our submitted Q&A answered?
   
I believe the Old Way is the more wide concept, which includes the "iron price", and it has been openly established in the House Greyjoy featurette. What do you think, separate articles or "Iron Price" as a subsection of the Old Way?--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 19:38, March 3, 2013 (UTC)
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I don't understand: how was this panel associated with Wikia as a topic?
:The problem is that the Starks also call the Old Gods "the Old Way", in dialogue on-screen (episode 1, Bran answers Ned that Ned had to personally execute a Night's Watch deserter, because "our way is the Old Way"). It's vague enough that I think it may be better to put all of the ironborn info onto "Iron Price" (noting that they call the overall pattern "the old way"), but make a disambiguation page noting that this could refer to either the Old Gods of the North, or the ironborn raiding lifestyle.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 21:06, March 3, 2013 (UTC)
 
:: I have placed the irnonborn Old Way - which mirrors AWoIAF - under "Old Way (ironborn)", just in case.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 21:36, March 3, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== House Front Page Game ==
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How did you promote or discuss Game of Thrones Wiki at the panel? What did the cast have to say about it? (we always hope they read our stuff)
   
Porterfield is someone who works at Wikia, and there's a big effort by Wikia to publicise the Wiki at the moment as noted on the blog entry. Whether this is a good thing or not is up for debate: Boy Who Cried Direwolf has already pointed out several major flaws with it. It's also worth noting that the Wiki generates an absolute ton of hits and traffic for Wikia (and thus advertising revenue), especially during the time the show is on-air, so clearly they want to get in on that to advertise Wikia as a whole. However, we are also only able to do the work on the Wiki that we do because of Wikia providing the service, so giving something back to them seems reasonable, as long as it does not disrupt the Wiki itself too much.--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] ([[User talk:Werthead|talk]]) 10:34, March 6, 2013 (UTC)
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You didn't give a report on how the panel went on the wiki so I was unaware what happened. The Wikia panel was almost four months ago, and the only thing you mentioned about it on Game of Thrones Wiki before was three months ago when you loaded that photo of you with Alfie Allen (Theon Greyjoy): http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/User:Werthead?diff=134785&oldid=28401
:I'm sorry, I didn't realize this was a wikia-wide cross-promotion sort of thing (my criticisms were basically those off the Boy: having it on our front page would make people sign up just to compete then leave). But I didn't realize this was bigger than I thought it was. I guess I associated it with that girl who came on here trying to get us to sign up for her own fan awards despite never contributing, but this is different.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 15:57, March 7, 2013 (UTC)
 
::Why was it removed off the main page? Anything that is ever removed off the main page should be discussed (within reason of course). Something like that however, a slider created by a staff member, should not be removed. Will it be returning?
 
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:::I removed it because it wasn't discussed with us first.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 16:08, March 7, 2013 (UTC)
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I wasn't sure what had happened.
::::It's pretty safe to say that if the wikia staff created it, it's safe to keep on the main page. {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 16:10, March 7, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
==Redundant pic==
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Then the thought occurred to check the archives of your WertZone blog, and you did give a brief report there:
Made a mistake. Didn't notice that this pic was already uploaded so just wondering if you or somebody wouldn't mind deleting it. Thanks in advance. http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/File:Title_sequence_the_twins.png [[User:CestWhat|CestWhat]] ([[User talk:CestWhat|talk]]) 18:59, March 13, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
==Foresight==
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:http://thewertzone.blogspot.com/2014/05/the-american-trip.html
I just discovered that you can protect uncreated articles.[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 02:14, March 14, 2013 (UTC)
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:"One of the several other hats I wear is the founder and admin of the Game of Thrones Wiki, which has reached a high of 12 million hits per week during this season. Wikia, which runs the whole network, wanted me to join in a panel on the show. Initially it was just going to be myself, Jamie Hari of the Marvel and DC Database Wikis and Alfie 'Theon' Allen, but we were eventually also joined by Kristian Nairn (Hodor) and Natalia Tena (Osha). The actors were fashionably late, which left myself and Jamie to hold down the fort with several hundred fans for the opening minutes.
:I was not aware. Then without delay, delete the article in question and protect its uncreated space.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 02:15, March 14, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
==Kingsguard Season 3==
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:"The panel seemed to be successful. Alfie talked about the process of playing such a damaged character as Theon and Kristian the various ways the directors have got him to act with such restricted dialogue. Natalia talked about the importance of the TV show as a separate entity to the books and the urgent need for male/female nudity parity in the show. I mused on the fan theory that Littlefinger is turning into Batman (the voice) and we threw it out there that Joffrey had faked his own death."
   
Please, check the new forum on Kingsguard members in Season 3. Input would be appreciated.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 15:25, March 18, 2013 (UTC)
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This is sort of brief and I'm not sure from it how much Game of Thrones Wiki was discussed.
   
== Hello from Wikia! ==
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Will you have time to do a more detailed writeup of this event during this weekend?--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 06:11, August 15, 2014 (UTC)
   
We've noticed the great work you've done on Game of Thrones Wiki and we were wondering if you have five minutes for a Skype chat this week. We have a couple of fun Wikia opportunities coming up, and we wanted to share them with you to get your input. Please message me back if you're interested. Thank you! 
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Adam I asked you about this over a week ago.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 15:17, August 24, 2014 (UTC)
   
[[User:Cshannon|Cshannon]] ([[User talk:Cshannon|talk]]) 13:17, March 19, 2013 (UTC)
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The panel ended up being rushed due to a lack of firm planning. At one point we were only getting one actor and we only had all three confirmed at the last minute (Alfie in particular seemed uncertain if he was going to do it). We were also told that we were only getting all three actors for the last quarter hour or so, and then we had them for a lot longer. The decision was then made to allow the audience (which was easily 300-400 strong) to ask questions rather than firing questions at them from a long list. The actors didn't stick around for very long afterwards. So it was a bit more of an 'event hosted by Wikia' thing than an event about the Wiki in any real detail. Some fans and readers were in the audience and talked to me about the site afterwards, but we didn't get a chance to discuss the site very much with the actors.
   
== Duplicate blogs ==
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I am also hoping to be able to visit the Wiki more often soon. Six months of both shift work and increased paid writing work in other venues has left me with almost no time whatsoever to work on the Wiki (and you will notice a significant decrease in blog activity as well, and what there has been has been rather brief). This situation looks like easing, at least somewhat, in the near future.--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] ([[User talk:Werthead|talk]]) 18:42, August 25, 2014 (UTC)
   
Hi Dragon.
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:Am I still to create the perfect wiki?--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 19:10, August 25, 2014 (UTC)
   
If I may, I'd recommend deleting duplicate blogs, such as [http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Savannah_Star/Season_3! this]. The Wikia staff have already created a "what will happen in season 3" blog, and allowing users to start multiple ones will result in the recent activity page being reduced to an un-navigable mess of shallow, inane comments.--[[File:The Boy Who Cried Direwolf white.png|250px|link=User:The Boy Who Cried Direwolf]][[File:Direwolf sig.png|40px|link=User talk:The Boy Who Cried Direwolf]] 17:59, March 21, 2013 (UTC)
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::I was invited to attend C2E2/this panel but had to cancel last minute :( I hate that I missed it! {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 15:56, August 28, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Irri's departure ==
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==GOT Community App==
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Hey, Dragon! Wikia is in the process of working on a Game of Thrones Wiki community app and we could really use your help! Would you or the other admins mind helping us curate categories for the GOT Community App? The curation lives on [http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Special:GameGuidesContent this page] and there are instructions on there for adding/removing categories that will appear in the app itself. Let me know if you have any questions! P.S. The page says Game Guides right now but that will change eventually! [[User:Gcheung28|Grace]] <staff/> <small>([[User:Gcheung28|profile]])•([[User talk:Gcheung28|talk]])</small> 21:30, September 5, 2014 (UTC)
   
Acharia has said very clearly on Reddit that the visa issue has been overcome and she could have stayed on the show easily, but the writers decided she should go. Have clarified that on the relevant pages. We can go back to being grumpy at Dan and Dave for the decision :) --[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] ([[User talk:Werthead|talk]]) 11:35, March 24, 2013 (UTC)
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:Sure! Let me know if you have any questions once you've read it. This essentially is going to be a guide for users about Game of Thrones which is why we need the most important categories listed out for people that want to learn about the series through the wikia. [[User:Gcheung28|Grace]] <staff/> <small>([[User:Gcheung28|profile]])•([[User talk:Gcheung28|talk]])</small> 18:26, September 8, 2014 (UTC)
:...Darn them. And Jhiqui has vanished into the ether.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 14:51, March 24, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
How does it work with the 'In the books' category. Which kind of info may be put in there to still be.. true to the series. I'm obviously new to editing anything on wikia :] [[User:Grumphy|Grumphy]] ([[User talk:Grumphy|talk]]) 21:23, March 24, 2013 (UTC)
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==Wonky sigils, part 2 ==
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I'm at a loss as to what is causing this... but one possible fix might be to move them above the infobox, as AWoIaF does. We could even create special shield shaped versions for this purpose.--[[User:Ser Patrek|Ser Patrek]] ([[User talk:Ser Patrek|talk]]) 10:02, September 7, 2014 (UTC)
   
Oh okay...thanks for your effort..."in the books" is supposed to be SPOILER FREE but relevant information from the books; it ceases to be a spoiler if the TV series outpaced it. For example, Joffrey's humiliation of Sansa in the courtroom in the fourth episode of season 2 was much more graphic in the books, so we might explain how that was done differently. Oh, just general background information that the books gave about the characters that the TV show hasn't yet but doesn't "spoil" anything. Just try and we'll correct stuff and you'll learn by example. When in doubt....if you're unsure of what to add, logically, don't add hundreds of posts a day (some idiot a few months back would make hundreds of bad edits a day to "in the books" while ''admitting'' that he didn't know what he was doing. This wasnt' "learning" this was "ignoring our warnings".
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: Ah, I think I've found the answer: The files size for some of these heraldry images are simply too large, (over 1,000px in some cases) they're overloading the "name" field. Up till now I've just been resizing the wonky ones so they fit again, but now I'm seeing ones that I've already fixed have been displaced again. Obviously we can't just keep shrinking them, as eventually they'll be so small as to be indistinct. I think the solution is to create separate mini versions of the images that can fit in the infobox at their own size, without needing to be scaled down.--[[User:Ser Patrek|Ser Patrek]] ([[User talk:Ser Patrek|talk]]) 13:00, September 7, 2014 (UTC)
Well, for that information you posted about Rhaegar for example (sorry I yelled) that stuff about his personality or appearance would go under "in the books" - it doesn't really spoil anything to say he enjoyed reading and was quite scholarly before taking up the sword, etc. This is "public knowledge" you see; but shocking revelations about Rhaegar from later books should not be put in (i.e. you really shouldn't bring up Jon Connington at this point). --[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 21:45, March 24, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
Thanks for your answer. I see now, and ofcourse no problem about the yelling. I understand it must be frustrating to see newcomers make bad edits while the rules have grown custom to you. I would really like to edit a few of those 'In the books' categories and will keep in mind what to write and what not to. Ofcourse I won't make many at the same time and I'll check if anyone changes what I wrote. I would really like to contribute to this wikia as I've been using it for a long time and this seems like a great opportunity to learn and keep expanding my knowledge of GoT. Again, thanks for your time and I promiss to do better in the future. [[User:Grumphy|Grumphy]] ([[User talk:Grumphy|talk]]) 23:50, March 24, 2013 (UTC)                                                                   
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::Ahh, thank you for figuring that out!!! Talk about driving me nuts! {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 15:07, September 7, 2014 (UTC)
   
== TV!Alayaya ==
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== Flags and shields ==
I don't think she appears. It would be too much of a stretch in speculation.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 23:34, March 24, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
:I suppose so. Well, could we use a screenshot of her on the "Summer Islands" page?--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 23:40, March 24, 2013 (UTC)
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I'm fixing up the infobox heraldry at the moment, but I had an idea that I wanted to run by you. What if I created special flag icons that are just for articles on locations. Like so.--[[User:Ser Patrek|Ser Patrek]] ([[User talk:Ser Patrek|talk]]) 07:44, September 9, 2014 (UTC)[[File:Bolton mini flag.png|40px|left|link=House Bolton]][[File:Bolton mini flag.png|40px|right|link=House Bolton]]
   
== Macumba ==
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:Well those are fun, but we don't have the "official"...tail design? for every house. Most use the foreground color (Baratheon uses black tails, Bolton uses red tails) but some use alternate colors (Starks apparently use a green tail in the TV version? Or something?)...and I'm not even sure what multi-colored ones like the Tullys would use...
   
Yup, actually. We can certainly have an article about it (it falls into the same category as grumpkins and snarks, or legendary stories). Once S3 kicks in, we can even bring in a comment about the proper giants in the world and how Macumba doesn't fit their description). Also, it doesn't matter if it's not mentioned in the books. If it's mentioned in the TV show, that's fair enough. I actually had a good thought on the canon/continuity differences between the two shows: GAME OF THRONES is the Marvel Ultimates version of ASoIaF. The same story and characters, but completely separate from the original with the freedom to do its own thing if it wants.--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] ([[User talk:Werthead|talk]]) 22:07, March 26, 2013 (UTC)
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:(shrug) might as well use it for the ones we know like the Boltons and Baratheons, etc.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 16:21, September 15, 2014 (UTC)
   
== CestWhat ==
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==Titancon 2014 World of Ice and Fire reading==
I just saw that you decided to go ahead and block him.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 19:11, March 28, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
:Yes, things were on a downward course. Particularly right before the Season 3 premiere, we don't need this. I did what had to be done. Well...do you disagree? You said he had strikes. If I misunderstood and you don't think he should remain banned, I will not oppose you.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 19:48, March 28, 2013 (UTC)
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Any link to a summary or something like that?--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 00:52, September 17, 2014 (UTC)
   
==Knights and nobility==
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Starts here: http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/116987-titancon-2014-world-reading/page-4
Knights are not considered to be nobility, but they have their own set of rights and privileges which are similar. They have the right to trial by combat and landed knights have the rights of laws and gallows (i.e. to set rules on their land which do not contravene the king's law and to execute criminals for heinous offences). In theory, a knight, even a hedge knight, should still be treated with respect and courtesy by everyone, although in practice a hedge knight will be looked down upon by a sworn sword or a lord. Being a knight is something of a big deal in Westeros (as seen by Ser Hugh refusing to talk even to the personal representative of the Hand of the King in Season 1 because he's not a knight), but not as big as being a proper lord.--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] ([[User talk:Werthead|talk]]) 10:50, March 29, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Chat ==
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The reading was from the chapter on Aegon III the Dragonbane, which should give some hints at how the Dance of the Dragons ended.
   
Chat? :) {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 00:28, March 30, 2013 (UTC)
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During the first three fourths of the Dance (what TPATQ covers) Winterfell did declare for Rhaenyra, but House Dustin and House Manderly are also singled out. Keep in mind that Robb Stark could rally an army of 20,000 to head south relatively quickly...and this probably isn't all of the able-bodied men; the North is vast and a point is that it takes a while for them to rally all of their soldiers and get put on a war footing. Specifically, during the Targaryen Conquest, consider how long it took Torrhen Stark to assemble his whole army (the war was already over after the Field of Fire). Anyway, while the North did make major contributions to the war...the "Winter Wolves" led by Roderick Dustin who came south numbered ''only'' 2,000 men. This is apparently just the standing household men-at-arms they could assemble at short notice - great and professional warriors, but not every able-bodied man who could hold a spear...AND, the Winter Wolves did a LOT of damage to the Greens, vastly out of proportion to their numbers, before the last of them were killed at First Tumbleton. Cregan Stark was probably just a child at the time, because he later fought Aemon the Dragonknight some 30-40 years later, and Aemon always said he was the toughest opponent he ever faced, plus Cregan did not seem very proactive in the Dance but delegated it to commanders like Roderick (he might not have been a "child",
   
== 50 mins! ==
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Anyway, Aegon III came to the throne at 11 years old, but it would be five years until he came of legal age, so a regency council was set up to rule until then - with members chose from both the Blacks and the Greens, as neither side truly won the war. Jeyne Arryn was one, the ''severely'' mutilated Tyland Lannister was another, etc.
   
Are you excited?!! Ah, FINALLY time for Season 3! :) {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 00:10, April 1, 2013 (UTC)
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What we found out in this reading is that:
:Actually I'm enraged. Ch'Vyalthan took enough time from us (combined with CestWhat's pestering this past week) that we have a lot of work to do that we didn't finish. I do *loosely* have all of the Culture stuff I wanted to get up, well most of it (though it needs quotes and images). I kept putting off revamping the Dragons article for months; I want to lock it (every yahoo anonymous IP editor comes on to edit the shiny dragons article "because dragons are cool!", randomly inserts some sentences without realizing they're redundant, then leaves never to edit again. Also why I've at least blocked all of the major character articles from anonymous editing - seriously, the "Robb, Jon, Tyrion, Arya, Daenerys, Dragons" crowd buzzing the wiki just goof up the rest of us. (sigh) -- I should be done fixing up all the Culture stuff and such soon enough, but I haven't been able to rewatch the first two seasons "with a fine toothed comb", pausing scene by scene to squeeze every ounce of info out of them (I only just finished "Lord Snow"). I can't wait for episode 9 of Season 3, that's when all the shallow fans will get their surprise - the folks on Entertainment Weekly or blogs or whatever that only watch the show because it's "watercooler TV" or for the sex scenes; they have no idea what this story is.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]])
 
::I haven't read the books yet, but I am up-to-date on them and know the spoilers. The wedding scene is going to be rough! Do you think we should go ahead and lock/protect some main pages? {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 00:23, April 1, 2013 (UTC)
 
Also, do you think we should change the "Episodes" tab up top? Remove "Pilot Episode" so that "Season 3" link can fit? {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 00:29, April 1, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::Oh seriously! Wow. I am so excited! Yeah, I noticed her dragon's had more "bad-ass" moments than Dany actually did. lol {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 00:33, April 1, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
Yes. Anyone who wants to compare the pilot episode would be reading the article on "Winter is Coming" and see the link to "previous episode". By the way, I was interested in creating a new top-level tab on "Culture and Society" separate from "Episodes" and "Characters" so casual fans will find those easier (I suspect that most of them just click on "Tyrion Lannister" and the title of the most current episode - how would they even find "Faith of the Seven"?) - but I have no idea how to do that.
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*Cregan Stark and the rest of the Northern army finally arrived south, but by then the war had ended (Aegon II died through as yet unknown circumstances leaving Aegon III as the only male heir). Again, the North "contributed" to the war - they sent their best hand-picked men south as "the Winter Wolves" - this was the general army of regular, less well trained but far more numerous guys (okay, this is me speculating). At any rate, Cregan and his Northern reinforcements arrive south to find the war is ended - he is not amused, nor are his bannermen, many of them sons or younger brothers of other Northerners who died earlier in the war. To appease Lord Stark, they decided to make him the new Hand of the King and Regent: he declared that he would hold trials and executions. The "trials" and executions all lasted a single day: he knew who he wanted dead so he had all of their heads on spikes in one day. He ''did'' at least give them the option to take the black as an alternative to death, and several did leave for the Wall. He was Hand and Regent it seems for a single day; the day after the executions, satisfied, he began the return journey home. Afterwards they came up with the idea to make a "Regency council" composed of seven members, chosen from both the surviving Blacks and surviving Greens.
Oh Dany gets "badass" moments independent of the dragons in book 3 -- well the dragons are cooler than ever and they are an extension of her, but we're not just staring at CGI dragons anymore; her story picks up. Remember: ''the idiot hands her the whip''. He handed her the god-damned whip. Dear god I couldn't tell if I was laughing or crying.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 00:37, April 1, 2013 (UTC)
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*Most of Cregan's army, however, stayed behind: again, many were younger second sons who were too young at the start of the war, but many still had surviving older brothers/fathers. Some swore themselves to southron lords, others became sellswords, but ''many'' became bandits - which was already a serious problem due to the breakdown in public order caused by the Dance itself.
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*Once Aegon III actually did come of legal age, the regency council transferred power back to him peacefully and without incident.
   
LOL! Oh man, I cannot wait! 20 more minutes. I'm so excited, but then I remember, before we know it... Season 3 will be over too :( I went ahead and protected [[Valar Dohaeris]] as well. For now, I will go ahead and remove the pilot tab and add Season 3- we can work on the others later :) {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 00:42, April 1, 2013 (UTC)
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--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 01:21, September 17, 2014 (UTC)
   
==Races==
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== Programming Question ==
   
I think a culture template infobox would be more accurate for human peoples. For example, it is implied that Dothraki and Lhazareen pretty much share teh same racial background, but their cultures are different.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 02:03, April 1, 2013 (UTC)
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Hello, TDD!
   
== Question ==
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I wanted to let you know that I sent you an email this evening with some general questions about *potential* future programming plans here on the GOT community. Would love to hear your thoughts when you have a moment to reply. Thanks, ser!
   
I noticed one of the soldiers at Harrenhal had an X broach on his armor. I know I've seen Joffrey torchering a guy, while chained/roped up in an X shape. What does a man on an X mean? {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 06:23, April 1, 2013 (UTC)
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[[User:Brian_Linder|<font color="Blue">Brian</font>]]<staff /> 02:54, September 18, 2014 (UTC)
   
==Valar Dohaeris locked==
 
I would have added a cast list to the episode, if the episode was not locked. If you want people to add something you have to unlock the page. I can see every episode page is locked.--[[User:Mesmermann|Mesmermann]] ([[User talk:Mesmermann|talk]]) 17:14, April 1, 2013 (UTC)
 
:Oh thanks for reminding me; it was locked to prevent knee-jerk over-editing during the hype of the season premiere night. I have unlocked it now.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 17:25, April 1, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Hi! ==
 
   
Hi there! I know the message you sent me was automatic, but thanks! But there's one thing I need help with also. I was looking through pages to see if they needed any editing and I came across the [[Sophie Turner]] page and I was about to edit it, but it was locked. Could you unlock it, please? Thanks again! :) {{SUBST:User:Lily!/sig}} 20:11, April 1, 2013 (UTC)
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:Yup, I e-mailed back.  I have school tomorrow.  And a big family event Saturday.  Afterwards college is on two week break due to Jewish holidays.  I've been in standby mode the past two weeks because of the start of the new semester.  Plan on launching into numerous major projects within the next few days once I get into the break, please check back frequently.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 03:17, September 18, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Admins who are inactive ==
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== NYCC ==
   
Have you noticed we have a few Admins who have been inactive for quite sometime. Should they continue to be Admins? What is your take on it? {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 02:23, April 2, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
:...I am deeply angered that they essentially abandoned us to suffer the deprivations of Ch'Vyalthan's Reign of Terror from October to January Fall 2012. The question is not "if" an inactive Administrator should continue in their position, but "how long" of an inactive period warrants removing their Adminship.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 02:50, April 2, 2013 (UTC)
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<p style="margin-top:1em;margin-bottom:1em;">Hi, TDD! I wanted to let you know that I just sent you an email about NYCC. Please take a look and respond by the end of the day today if possible. Thanks, ser!</p>
::I agree. LordofOnions is about 2 years inactive and KarinS is a year. Should we bring this to Werthead? {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 03:00, April 2, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::Indeed.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 03:01, April 2, 2013 (UTC)
 
::::I am also asking the staff to change the word "Admin" on our profiles, to "Knight" :) {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 03:14, April 2, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
I don't think we should change the name; I've seen problems with this on other wikis that take on specific in-universe names for Admins or Moderators. Titles like "Administrator" or "Moderator" are universal and carry weight when you're chewing people out. Fansites that call their Admins "Rangers" or "Wizards" etc., the title doesn't carry the same weight anymore.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 03:19, April 2, 2013 (UTC)
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<p style="margin-top:1em;margin-bottom:1em;">
:Really? I've never seen a problem with it before, and I've had it on several Wikis. Hmm. Well if they do change it, and it causes an issue, we can always change it back {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 03:26, April 2, 2013 (UTC)
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</p>
   
:Real life often gets in the way of contributions. People get into relationships, get new jobs that are exhausting, or simply lose their passion for a project after putting tons of work into it. I'm certainly grateful to those admins and former contributors who did lots of work who, for whatever reason, are no longer contributing. If they also executed the position of admin well before in the past, I see no problem with them retaining the position if and when they return. Certainly I've been highly active on wikis in the past and have essentially given up on them to work on this one, but intermittently return to work on the others when I have the time. I see no reason to remove admin powers from anyone unless they are actually abusing them.--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] ([[User talk:Werthead|talk]]) 11:23, April 12, 2013 (UTC)
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<p style="margin-top:1em;margin-bottom:1em;">[[User:Brian_Linder|<font color="Blue">Brian</font>]]<staff /> 21:16, September 25, 2014 (UTC)</p>
   
For example, and as QueenBuffy knows, I am the Bureaucrat of Buffyverse Wiki, but have taken a long break because mantaining that site was a lot of work, and chose to contribute here. I don't know when I'll go back there.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 15:57, April 12, 2013 (UTC)
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<p style="margin-top:1em;margin-bottom:1em;">
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</p>
   
Well okay if Queenbuffy has nothing else to say either, then nevermind.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 17:56, April 14, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
==Descriptions==
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:Okay I sent a response e-mail.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 00:18, September 26, 2014 (UTC)
   
I was wondering about certain adjective vocab words on some pages. For example: in the Daenerys Targaryen article, the image states drogon is the size of a small dog, but in the description you wrote he is the size of a large dog''S''. i dont want to undo your change, but i do think it would be better to have consistency between the image text and the article text, also, Drogon is the size of a small dog, not a large one, it says so in the books (chapter 27) and also simply from common sense.[[User:Darklarik|Noc noc... whos their? Darknesssss]] ([[User talk:Darklarik|talk]]) 14:53, April 2, 2013 (UTC)
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== Plagiarism ==
   
:Oh...I had intended to write "large dog" one every article, and if that was inconsistent it was a mistake. I'm a cat person so I kind of forget just how large dogs can get (St. Bernards, Mastiffs, etc.). If the books stated "small dogs", then yes we should say "small dogs" in our descriptions ( I remember from ''A Clash of Kings'' that Dany points out that Dragons seem a lot bigger than they actually are, because they're creatures of mostly wing, neck, and tail; their body cores are much smaller - which they'd kind of have to be, to in any way plausibly be able to carry their own weight in flight).--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 15:08, April 2, 2013 (UTC)
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Hi, TDD.
   
== Family name ==
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Saw your note. I'm forwarding that page to the appropriate parties here. Thanks!!
   
On the SSM section of Westeros.org - the site is down again right now - GRRM actually outlines how surnames work in Westeros. Basically, there are no hard and fast rules. A woman from a powerful family might choose to keep her name if marrying into a less powerful one, explaining Cersei; Robert might be king, but the Lannisters are richer, older and more powerful by themselves than the Baratheons. OTOH, the Starks and Arryns are far more ancient, powerful and richer than the Tullys, so Cat and Lysa change their surnames. With equal families there might be a bit of give or take between them. This doesn't really help with the Talisa situation though, since the rules for changing names between Westerosi and Essosi marriages have never been established. Talisa now being called "Talisa Maegyr Stark" might be the best course, since, even if she is related to the ruling Maegyrs of Volantis, the Starks are still considerably more ancient (Winterfell having been founded 3,000 years earlier even than Valyria).--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] ([[User talk:Werthead|talk]]) 17:50, April 2, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Split Battle of the Camps from Whispering Wood ==
 
   
I was wondering, since you're one of the main contributors of Battle of the Whispering Wood article, if you could extract the "the Camps" info from it and create the Battle of the Camps article?--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 18:12, April 4, 2013 (UTC)
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[[User:Brian_Linder|<font color="Blue">Brian</font>]]<staff /> 01:51, September 27, 2014 (UTC)
   
==Dark Wings, Dark Word Locked==
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:Thank you, ser.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 03:29, September 27, 2014 (UTC)
Will you open [[Dark Wings, Dark Words]] when the episode aires because I want to add cast credits to the episode. Thanks.
 
   
--[[User:Mesmermann|Mesmermann]] ([[User talk:Mesmermann|talk]]) 19:14, April 7, 2013 (UTC)
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== Faith of the Seven brand ==
   
==CestWhat sockpuppets==
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[[File:Faith Militant mini brand.png|right]]
I'll deal with them myself.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 21:11, April 11, 2013 (UTC)
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I've created a Seven-Pointed Star brand for the Faith Militant article, and a mini version for relevant character articles. Would you mind adding it to the High Sparrow article?--[[User:Ser Patrek|Ser Patrek]], [[User talk:Ser Patrek|the Wolfskinner]] [[File:Ser Patrek mini shield.png|30px]] 10:06, September 28, 2014 (UTC)
:Damn, you went ahead... I wanted to showcase their flayed skins on my hall. Oh well--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 21:14, April 11, 2013 (UTC)
 
::Sockpuppets count as one person, they don't get new spikes on the wall.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 21:17, April 11, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
::: You know, I was under the impression that "Quotablecharacters" was Ch'vyalthan reincarnated.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 21:23, April 11, 2013 (UTC)
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Oh, and though I'm sure you've already seen the WotW posts with the photos of the Faith Militant there's was a suggestion in the comments that Loras would be taking on some sort of Lancel-like role. I mean, he was dressed in all black, which he's never done before...--[[User:Ser Patrek|Ser Patrek]], [[User talk:Ser Patrek|the Wolfskinner]] [[File:Ser Patrek mini shield.png|30px]] 10:15, September 28, 2014 (UTC)
   
::::I lay awake at night afraid that LovelyChrys, Ch'Vyalthan, and CestWhat are going to band together to form their own Legion of Doom (like an out of universe House Blackfyre). But they lack conviction.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 21:26, April 11, 2013 (UTC)
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:I think those are just Loras's bedclothes, or his undergarments; i.e. he just took his armor off, or his formal tunic off. I see no...''specific'' reason to suspect major changes.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 16:44, September 28, 2014 (UTC)
   
OMG DD now THAT is hilarious. Legion of Doom&Gloom! lol {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 18:16, April 12, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
:::::I do imagine CestWhat getting annoyed with Ch'vyalthan's not understanding anything while Chrys tries to make everyting all about her, and then yelling "I'm surrounded by idiots".
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...Wait, I'm not sure where to put it in the High Sparrow article. The regular "High Septon" or "Mordane" articles don't use the normal Faith of the Seven sigil anymore.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 18:59, September 28, 2014 (UTC)
   
== User:Astapor ==
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Oh shit, It's worse than that. A new video of filming in Croatia shows Loras being restrained and dragged away by the Sparrows! Looks like he's being arrested for "sword swallowing". [http://watchersonthewall.com/new-video-hints-loras-tyrells-role-season-5/]. As for the brand, I think it should be okay in Faith Militant character infoboxes as they ''do'' wear the scar/brand as outward display of affiliation. Just like heraldry, but more gruesome.--[[User:Ser Patrek|Ser Patrek]], [[User talk:Ser Patrek|the Wolfskinner]] [[File:Ser Patrek mini shield.png|30px]] 20:10, September 28, 2014 (UTC)
   
Another CestWhat sockpuppet, I think. First few edits have been fiddling around with the "''née''" in female character intros.--[[File:The Boy Who Cried Direwolf white.png|250px|link=User:The Boy Who Cried Direwolf]][[File:Direwolf sig.png|40px|link=User talk:The Boy Who Cried Direwolf]] 17:22, April 14, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== House Lannister ==
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.......(long pause).....oh....no......
   
Oh, they have always been my favorite... I don't know why it took me so long to update my home page! lol {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 01:16, April 15, 2013 (UTC)
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(Jaw hanging open for a minute)
:In the trailer for [[And Now His Watch is Ended]], do you know who the character is, who is wearing the eye patch? I have a good screencap of him. {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 04:55, April 15, 2013 (UTC)
 
::I believe that is Beric Dondarrion, leader of the Brotherhood Without Banners.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 04:57, April 15, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::Ahh, you guys are so smart!!!! {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 05:08, April 15, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
==Whores from the books==
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Uh...I'm hoping this isn't a major "thing" and is just an "incident" of "Faith Militant toughs rough up homosexuals at Littlefinger's brothel"....but then the regular City Watch steps in and saves him (possibly part of the same scene I hope for, since "Kissed by Fire"; Loras is in bed with Olyvar but looking annoyed, then he says he's realized he's just "drowning his sorrows" and will never love after Renly, so he wants to join the Kingsguard....then Faith Militant toughs burst in and drag him into the street...then hopefully he gets rescued and joins the Kingsguard.
I clearly heard "Marei". Don't remember well the other two.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 02:54, April 15, 2013 (UTC)
 
:Problem is that I'd only be spelling them phonetically. Funny thing is I heard complaints that there was "a lot of nudity" in this episode, but to be honest, I think it's not too bad so long as 1 - It's an established, canon couple (Robb/Talisa - why was there no Eddard/Catelyn as in the books?), or 2 - it's an actual brothel with "customers". Some of the "sexposition" scenes strained credibility. But "Tyrion and Bronn reward Pod with a trip to Littlefinger's brothel" - plausible enough without ''inventing'' new..."scenarios". --[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 03:00, April 15, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Character bios ==
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Crud. This ''might'' turn out to actually be a good way to give Loras more to do...IF it has no long-term side-effects. We've never really seen, say...a Septon's sermon preaching that homosexuality is a sin, and Loras looking upset about it (which he probably did at some point in his life). So we get to see Loras facing some real discrimination, fine. So long as it has no lasting effects that drastically alter his long-term storyline.
   
Remember that these should be concise summaries of the characters' actions, not hyper-detailed narrations of entire scenes.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 17:23, April 15, 2013 (UTC)
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Oh god.
:Yes, I know, thank you for making the Missandei article more concise; when I'm in a hurry I just write all I can and don't focus on concision (the logic being that it's easy to cut extra stuff out later).--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 17:24, April 15, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Josephine Gillan as Marei==
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Oh, you reminded me: "during the Andal Invasion, with the zeal of their new faith, the Andals would carve Seven-pointed stars into their flesh" -- that must be what the TV show is taking its cue from. Good book reference, actually. But I can't tell if they are brands or carved.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 21:16, September 28, 2014 (UTC)
   
Good work on spotting she's the "new prostitute" in Season 2... could you please merge the two articles while I work on "Kayla".--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 17:26, April 15, 2013 (UTC)
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: If Loras is executed... we riot! This is a serious concern because (although we don't know what GRRM has planned for the character) it seems like he's just waiting to die on Dragonstone at the moment. I don't doubt that the seige will be cut entirely. TV-first fans don't care that Dragonstone needs to be retaken, and I can't see D&D spending time and money on a non-essential battle scene... full of expensive CGI and stunwork... not a chance! Much easier to just say that Stannis took his entire garrison North with him, and the Island is now abandoned, and then have Cersei weaken the Tyrells by having Loras arrested by the High Sparrow. We know he's having another scene with Olyvar next seasons, so presumably the arrest immediately follows this. I have no hope for Olyvar... he'll probably be killed on the spot, with Loras, as a high-born taken to the Sept of Baelor to be made an example of. Damn them!--[[User:Ser Patrek|Ser Patrek]], [[User talk:Ser Patrek|the Wolfskinner]] [[File:Ser Patrek mini shield.png|30px]] 11:10, September 29, 2014 (UTC)
:Oh I wasn't the one that noticed that. I'll get on the characters...--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 17:27, April 15, 2013 (UTC)
 
::Oh, if it wasn't you then lets make sure this is accurate.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 18:17, April 15, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Greetings ==
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::Confirmed: The Sparrows invade Littlefinger's brothel. [http://watchersonthewall.com/exclusive-new-game-thrones-filming-pictures-dubrovnik/].--[[User:Ser Patrek|Ser Patrek]], [[User talk:Ser Patrek|the Wolfskinner]] [[File:Ser Patrek mini shield.png|30px]] 15:20, September 29, 2014 (UTC)
   
Just wanted to mention- I know you are tired of seeing the same ol' mistakes from editors, but remember to try and remain friendly. Your tone can come off rather "harsh" and we want to keep contributors coming back here :) {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 06:00, April 16, 2013 (UTC)
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==Re: Please Read==
:Oh, okay.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 17:06, April 16, 2013 (UTC)
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I've passed your message along to the appropriate people. Thanks for letting me know! [[User:Gcheung28|Grace]] <staff/> <small>([[User:Gcheung28|profile]])•([[User talk:Gcheung28|talk]])</small> 16:42, September 29, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Princes in the Tower ==
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== Because I can. ==
   
I think there may be an echo of them there, but much more overt is the reference of the 'Princesses in the Tower', King Baelor's sisters whom he locked in the Maidenvault of the Red Keep so they would not tempt him to carnal thoughts. They had a happier ending though :) --[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] ([[User talk:Werthead|talk]]) 07:08, April 16, 2013 (UTC)
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So I'm going to get on your nerves with this, but I don't care...so BAH! But can I pleaseeeee, (or can you) archive your talk page. Man, it takes awhile to scroll through 200+ messages. ;) {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 22:07, September 29, 2014 (UTC)
:The phrase, yes, but Richard III didn't exactly lock up Edward V to prevent him from tempting him with carnal thoughts.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 17:07, April 16, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Spare time we don't have. ==
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:Entirely my fault. Yes, the "cluttered desk" I've got on here. I'll get right on it.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 22:41, September 29, 2014 (UTC)
   
I know we don't really have "spare" time, but if you happen to find some, I could use some help going through these uncategorized files and either delete them, or categorize them properly. I figured if we all do a little here and there, they will eventually get finished :) [http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Special:UncategorizedFiles Special:UncategorizedFiles] {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 20:14, April 16, 2013 (UTC)
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::Woo hoo! Not sure why that peeves me! lol {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 23:12, September 29, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Interview with talent from Game of Thrones ==
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==Re: Vote of No Confidence==
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Hey Dragon, sorry to hear that this is happening. I've passed your message on to the appropriate people. [[User:Gcheung28|Grace]] <staff/> <small>([[User:Gcheung28|profile]])•([[User talk:Gcheung28|talk]])</small> 21:10, October 7, 2014 (UTC)
   
Hi, Please let fans know that I did an interview with Michele Clapton, who designs the beautiful costumes for Game of Thrones. It can be read at  [http://thecmagaznineonline.com http://thecmagaznineonline.]com
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== Re: Vote of No Confidence in Adam Whitehead (Werthead) ==
   
Thanks,
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Hi The Dragon Demands. We will not be removing Adam as a panelist. He has our full support as a representative both of Wikia and Game of Thrones Wiki, and he has been very successful at that in past appearances. We are looking forward to seeing him again in New York and continuing to work with him.
   
Brenda[[Special:Contributions/71.62.18.144|71.62.18.144]] 23:45, April 16, 2013 (UTC)
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If the community feels Adam shouldn't be an administrator anymore, then the community can hold a vte on that. There is a clear and established community-based process for admin removal. Wikia Staff does not get involved in that, because it is a local decision.
   
==Ships==
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Finally, and most importantly, we consider your comment about asking convention security to "forcibly remove" Adam from the panel to be a threat. We have therefore contacted the convention organizers and are revoking your pass to the event. You will not be in attendance at the panel, and you will not be given a pass to enter the convention from Wikia. - [[User:Brandon Rhea|<font color="#1A2BBB">'''Brandon Rhea'''</font>]]<staff /><sup>[[User talk:Brandon Rhea|<font color="#1A2BBB">(talk)</font>]]</sup> 21:44, October 7, 2014 (UTC)
There's only one ship they have at all, which filled in as Theon's ship at the start of Season 2, Black Betha, Fury and Daenerys's ship as well. They actually wanted to build two of different designs and sizes so they could vary it up, but HBO said no.--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] ([[User talk:Werthead|talk]]) 15:26, April 18, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
==Gybeding==
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== email ==
Another sockpuppet??--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 05:02, April 21, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Contacting Wikia Staff ==
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Check email please. {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 15:41, October 10, 2014 (UTC)
   
You should be able to find an appropriate link to them [http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contact Here]. Someone will contact you via email or through this Wikia page within 2 business days usually. {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 05:12, April 21, 2013 (UTC)
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:Message received and replied. I agree fully.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 15:50, October 10, 2014 (UTC)
   
==Dragon Titles==
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==Vote of no confidence on Chancellor Valorum... I mean Werthead==
While i do belive Daenerys's Dragons should still be named after there book names, some people might not know them, and thus search them under the names "Black Dragon", "Green Dragon", and "White Dragon". Is there anyway to make it so if someone searches said names it redirects to them? Like adding to there articles "Drogon, also know as the black dragon" as an example.[[User:Darklarik|Noc noc... whos their? Darknesssss]] ([[User talk:Darklarik|talk]]) 08:53, April 21, 2013 (UTC)
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My vote is in. I'm sorry it took me this long to answer. Been kinda busy these past weeks with my classes.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 02:44, October 11, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Small Council Image ==
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The vote is in.  I love democracy.  It was with the greatest reluctance that I initiated this motion.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 02:46, October 11, 2014 (UTC)
   
If you look at the image details here: [[File:Small Council meeting.png]]
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== New Series. Have you seen it? ==
You will see that his image was on lots of other pages. You may want to go through them and delete the broken links; or restore the image and mess with it later. Just wanted to give ya heads up :) {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 17:54, April 21, 2013 (UTC)
 
:Oh crud. Thanks for the headsup I'll check out the other pages.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 17:57, April 21, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
==Spammer==
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Hey. I was going to ask, have you seen that new Netflix/BBC series "Peaky Blinders" yet?! AWESOME series!!! {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 04:14, October 14, 2014 (UTC)
Yo, i think this guy: http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/49.145.54.90
 
   
Put a bunch of links on the new episode article, they are spam. 
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:Ah, I'm pretty busy with other stuff now. I don't think their gang will cause too much trouble - until they detonate a tactical nuclear warhead, at which point even the Birmingham police, will have to sit up and take notice.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 14:52, October 14, 2014 (UTC)
   
==Locked page==
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::Oh man it's good! It's like the Boardwalk Empire for England, but BETTER I think. I like that it's based loosely on RL people/events too. :) Anyway, it's only 6 episodes. Just try it sometime. {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 14:58, October 14, 2014 (UTC)
It's hard for me to edit [[And Now His Watch is Ended]] when it's locked. Wll you please unlock it.--[[User:Mesmermann|Mesmermann]] ([[User talk:Mesmermann|talk]]) 02:33, April 22, 2013 (UTC)
 
:Sorry, sorry; as you can see from the above post, people kept vandalizing it.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 02:52, April 22, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== And now his watch is ended ==
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==RE: GoT Personality Quiz==
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Greetings, good sir - may I ask what your picks would be for 6 fan-relatable characters with varying personalities?
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:http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/xraydeltaone/images/b/b2/Siggy4.png '''@'''<staff/> <small>([[User:XD1|profile]])•([[User talk:XD1|talk]])</small> 18:43, October 15, 2014 (UTC)
   
Just finished the episode... one word. WOW! You were right about Dany! That was just amazing! {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 06:12, April 22, 2013 (UTC)
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Well, I'm not sure...I tried going by D&D alignment, but the characters are so complex this isn't always clear.
   
:I told you: book 3 is why people ''are'' Daenerys fans, not even the book 1 Dothraki stuff so much (as a guy, the whole "swept away by fierce barbarian whom I nonetheless master with seduction" pulp trashy romance novel storyline kind of stuff....I really don't grasp very well. But that's why I didn't think to make a Dany/Drogo page...). The idiot hands her the whip. Oh god you should have seen this in the books: the cat-o-nine-tails they give her has razor-blades stuck at the ends so it will really tear flesh off of any slave you hit with it: after saying "a dragon is no slave", Daenerys punctuates this by quickly slashing the whip across Kraznys' face....ripping a ''large amount'' of Kraznys' flesh off his face. TV show chose not to do that, eh, might have been too much for TV.
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"Lawful" is fairly clear:
   
:From here on out, this Targaryen party is going on tour.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 06:18, April 22, 2013 (UTC)
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*Lawful Good = Eddard Stark
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*Lawful Neutral = Stannis Baratheon
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*Lawful Evil = Tywin Lannister (generally; the Red Wedding verged on Neutral Evil, but he felt it was necessary to swiftly end the war)
   
::I cannot wait! That ending gave me chills!!! It was AHHH, just so great! BTW, I noticed you've been blocking a lot of users who may or may not be CestWhat. We need to somehow be really sure it's the sockpuppet before blocking. I'd hate if we blocked innocent editors. Oh, I was really surprised by Joer's death too! I didn't see that coming! {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 07:22, April 22, 2013 (UTC)
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*Neutral Good = Daenerys Targaryen (unlike the Starks, if she thinks you're a "bad" person she won't pardon you as the honorable thing to do - she will crucify you. That's how the Targaryens have always rolled, back to Aegon I: if you're part of the program, he'll be kind to you. Oppose him, he'll burn you.)
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*Chaotic Good = "the Rebel" - fighting against the rules for a good cause (''arguably'' Robb Stark was this, but I don't think leading a secession movement counts - his own men didn't think of him as a lone rebel). So...''arguably'' Arya Stark.
   
:::They follow an insultingly similar pattern: no one else is really editing dialogue templates and working on family trees, I mean *new* users don't just jump on and start doing that. So far, anyway, no one has followed up by complaining (using anonymous IP address) that their account was banned for no reason; pretty sure it was actually CestWhat each time.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 00:32, April 24, 2013 (UTC)
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*Neutral Evil - not really concerned with the rules, just their own selfish ends: Littlefinger and Cersei.
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*Chaotic Evil - a raving psychopathic maniac, not even beholden to "rules" for himself. On the one hand this makes him dangerous and unpredictable, but on the other hand, makes him too unstable to make reliable long term plans (more a raving beast than "the Overlord"). Joffrey Baratheon and Ramsay Snow.
   
== Certain bastard ==
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Now I'm fairly clear on the aforesaid...except for Chaotic Good, that was a bit more grey, there's no "Robin Hood" in this (well, the Brotherhood Without Banners, but they're not as prominent in the show lately). But might as well use Arya.
   
Soo.. from what we've learned from the fourth episode this season, do you think it's safe to unite the pages of certain character and certain Boy, or do you think that we stil need a confirmation? [http://25.media.tumblr.com/afeea73200a272d1ef43d189a92d5aad/tumblr_mln127cUuE1qhnk1to2_500.gif]--[[User:Blaublau94|KIWIBOλ]] ([[User talk:Blaublau94|talk]]) 21:45, April 24, 2013 (UTC)
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The next two kind of stumped me:
:I think it would still be a spoiler by this point. Perhaps after "[[Kissed by Fire]]" we'll be able to merge them. {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 20:44, April 22, 2013 (UTC)
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*True Neutral and Chaotic Neutral = The Outsider and the Nomad, as they say. True Neutral is concerned purely with his own interests, while the Chaotic Neutral is actively rebelling against any forms of control.
   
::We've all known who is who since before Season 3 began. It's not a matter of if "we" fans know: the wiki needs to be spoiler-free for fans who haven't read the books. Similarly, when Season 1 began, we couldn't just write "Joffrey isn't really Robert's son", that was obvious, but had to wait until the show actually revealed it. So until we hear "the name" on screen, we can't use it - heck, his name hasn't actually appeared in dialogue at all yet; his dad refers to "his bastard" but that's it.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 00:00, April 24, 2013 (UTC)
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The problem is that the distinction between True Neutral and Chaotic Neutral is kind of subtle. Chaotic Neutral actively revolts against any rules, craving their nomadic freedom; True Neutrals are so concerned on basic survival and avoiding getting involved that they'll put up with rules and structures so long as they don't particularly affect them. Han Solo at the beginning of Star Wars is True Neutral, while Jack Sparrow is Chaotic Neutral (openly stating that he lives as a pirate because being on a ship in the ocean not beholden to any laws is the ultimate freedom).
   
::His name is mentioned in a letter, but lets keep it that way for now.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 00:04, April 24, 2013 (UTC)
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Tyrion is sort of True Neutral because he's just worried about survival. He doesn't particularly care for rules but also frowns on breaking them, he's altruistic when he can be but also can do some fairly self-serving things (at times he's verging on Neutral Good). Meanwhile, Sandor Clegane is now closest to Chaotic Neutral, focusing purely on his own survival...though arguably that's True Neutral, because he hates rules but usually isn't bothered by them if they don't get in his way. Jaime Lannister, also, kind of True Neutral verging on Chaotic Neutral - he doesn't want to claim the throne, rejects positions of authority, all he wanted in life was to be with the woman he loved - and good or evil, lawful or chaotic, anything that stands in his way he'll (grudgingly) get rid of -- though living through the Mad King's court has made him hate people who are outright evil or chaotic, pushing him back into the True Neutral camp.
:::While they did release a good official photo of that letter in the "Inside the Episode" feature, it wasn't visible on-screen. Again the casual fans don't really pay attention to such things.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 00:07, April 24, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Skinner ==
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This doesn't even cover the whole Margaery-Cersei dichotomy (Cersei is rude and blunt and hates "women", wishing she were born a man, while Margaery tries to use the carrot instead of the stick, and "manipulate" people by giving them things they actually want, and embracing her femininity to seduce people).
   
That's what I've been saying about all of the characters who don't have names who've been given them on the wiki :) For this one in particular, I have no idea. Mago was explicitly named on-screen and then killed off (when he's set to reappear, apparently in a fairly major way, in Book 6). Who knows what's going on with Marillion? So the character being killed off has no real bearing on whether he's the book character or not. In this instance I'd call him Master Torturer until we get any more confirmation.--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] ([[User talk:Werthead|talk]]) 09:26, April 24, 2013 (UTC)
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That's all I have at the moment. The problem is that many of the characters are so grey and nuanced.
   
:We aren't sure if Marillion is dead.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 13:28, April 24, 2013 (UTC)
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--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 19:35, October 15, 2014 (UTC)
   
Hello, a question, doing various proofreading for english errors I did find some and wanted to fix them. I have found the pages locked and would like to know if I am a registered user? Is there a reveal somewhere as to what pages are locked for editing? Thank-you, Susan Ae[[User:Susan Ae|Susan Ae]] ([[User talk:Susan Ae|talk]]) 16:17, April 24, 2013 (UTC)
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== Infobox heraldry ==
:oh...we locked some of the major character pages because we had problems with people posting spoilers in them, i.e. "Robb Stark". We can't really lift the protection right now (though if there's a huge problem I guess you could point it out on an article's talk page).--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 16:31, April 24, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
==Season links==
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It's happening again. I'm afraid we're going to have to either A: remove the heraldry entirely... or B: remodel our infoboxes so they use the same coding makeup as the ones from AWoIaF. Neither choice is particularly appealing, but I can't see any other option.--[[User:Ser Patrek|Ser Patrek]], [[User talk:Ser Patrek|the Wolfskinner]] [[File:Ser Patrek mini shield.png|30px]] 09:19, October 18, 2014 (UTC)
Oh, really? I thought that was a general faux pas. I'll go correct any that I removed. Thanks for the heads up!
 
:http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/xraydeltaone/images/b/b2/Siggy4.png '''@'''<staff/> <small>([[User:XD1|profile]])•([[User talk:XD1|talk]])•([[Special:Emailuser/XD1|email]])</small> 17:25, April 24, 2013 (UTC)
 
::well, uh (embarassed) I don't ''know'' if that's the format Werthead wants us to use, I just sort of assumed all this time that it was.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 17:29, April 24, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
:::Yeah, I always put links in the headers, since if you don't, you then need to then put a link in the body text underneath, which can result in awkward and redundant phrasing ("Season 2: In <nowiki>[[Season 2]]</nowiki> the character blah blah") rather than just getting on with the entry.--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] ([[User talk:Werthead|talk]]) 11:45, May 10, 2013 (UTC)
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...Crud.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 15:49, October 18, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Links to AWoIAF ==
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:Those damn things have never worked for me, and I am sick of the wonky banners! lol Have we ever asked Wikia for help in this matter? {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 23:56, October 18, 2014 (UTC)
   
at the end of "(spoilers from the books)." you don't need to add a period. Its not a sentence, just a phrase, like a headline.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 18:44, April 24, 2013 (UTC)
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:: I sent them a special contact request months ago and never heard anything back. Chist, look at Tommen's and Maegor's! I've had to shrink them down to 10px! You can barely see them... it's not worth it. There may be a simpler solution: moving the sigils ''above'' the infoboxes, and using margin code to make them align. That would be a less extreme option than remodelling the actual templates, but I have no idea if it will work. Let me tinker with it, I'll see if I can rig something up.--[[User:Ser Patrek|Ser Patrek]], [[User talk:Ser Patrek|the Wolfskinner]] [[File:Ser Patrek mini shield.png|30px]] 09:04, October 19, 2014 (UTC)
   
==Thanks for the info==
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Okay, [[User:Ser Patrek/Heraldry|this]] is what I've got so far... it's a crude solution, and it will be pretty inconvenient adding it to every page. I don't know what else to suggest.--[[User:Ser Patrek|Ser Patrek]], [[User talk:Ser Patrek|the Wolfskinner]] [[File:Ser Patrek mini shield.png|30px]] 10:37, October 19, 2014 (UTC)
Iv have heard about the spoilers that you wrote before, but thanks anyway. My question mainly aimed at the Stak family. Was is it or going to be totaly eliminated? replaced and so on. I understand it is more than just about that family that everything is combined in the story. Anyway despite the negative acts and defeat -  still cheer and respect the house of stark! '' Thanks''
 
   
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...looks like the best that can be done. We've been spending too much time fiddling around with the icons inside the infoboxes, and haven't gotten much further. Thanks.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 15:43, October 19, 2014 (UTC)
   
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:Righto. It may be possible to incorporate this coding into a template. Something like this:
   
20:58, April 24, 2013 (UTC)Scare Cr0w 
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{{Heraldry
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|Right shield=Lannister
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Left shield = Kingsguard
   
''I pledge my life and honor to the Night's Watch, for this night and all the nights to come!"''
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--[[User:Ser Patrek|Ser Patrek]], [[User talk:Ser Patrek|the Wolfskinner]] [[File:Ser Patrek mini shield.png|30px]] 16:53, October 19, 2014 (UTC)
   
==Well done!==
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== Rollback editor ==
You, unlike us at the DowntonAbbey Wiki, have finally managed to deal with CestWhat. I want him gone - and utterly blocked - from the other wiki, but he/she/it never will be.
 
   
I thought I'd just write to congratulate you on doing THE BEST THING EVER![[User:HarryPotterRules1|HarryPotterRules1]] ([[User talk:HarryPotterRules1|talk]]) 21:45, April 25, 2013 (UTC)
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Hey TDD. Just a quick thing I wanted to run by you. [[User:Lorisa214]] is someone I have worked with for awhile, and I know her as admin on a couple of other Wiki's. She was requesting "Rollback" rights, and I don't have a problem with it, but I wanted to pass it by you and get your thoughts. We could maybe do a 30 day probationary period and if all goes OK, just leave her with the rights. Thoughts? {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 23:55, October 18, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Prostitute ==
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:1 - Yes. 2 - While inappropriate now, if/when Bureaucrat vote succeeds, we need to start listing/discussing new Admins to promote, 3 - Lorisa214 proved to be a reliable editor in Season 3 - though understandably she wasn't really around much in Season 4, due to running Reign Wiki, 4 - IF she is willing to put in the time commitment, she could be an Admin candidate, 5 - I would openly pursue an affirmative action policy to make as many female Admins as we can, to try to balance things out (to be honest the only other prominent potential female candidate is RachelP...also from Australia). Well we'll discuss this more later. Specifically what is the extent/function of Rollback rights?--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 00:00, October 19, 2014 (UTC)
   
What was the prostitute's name that slept with Loras? I have his picture... {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 06:33, April 29, 2013 (UTC)
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:It just allows them to instantly undo changes to an article with a single click.--[[User:Ser Patrek|Ser Patrek]], [[User talk:Ser Patrek|the Wolfskinner]] [[File:Ser Patrek mini shield.png|30px]] 09:04, October 19, 2014 (UTC)
:Olyvar.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 06:37, April 29, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
:: I don't think he was a prostitute, just Loras' squire, who happens to be spying for Littlefinger.--[[File:The Boy Who Cried Direwolf white.png|250px|link=User:The Boy Who Cried Direwolf]][[File:Direwolf sig.png|40px|link=User talk:The Boy Who Cried Direwolf]] 06:49, April 29, 2013 (UTC)
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::Oh okay. Does that mean Rollbacks on protected pages too? (Though if it's only a rollback, even that can't drastically change too much that we can't just restore later).--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 15:44, October 19, 2014 (UTC)
   
:::Feel free to make changes as you see fit, but sleeping with someone just for information does seem rather "prostitue-ish" lol {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 07:00, April 29, 2013 (UTC)
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:::I don't think they can edit articles that are protected to "admin only", no.--[[User:Ser Patrek|Ser Patrek]], [[User talk:Ser Patrek|the Wolfskinner]] [[File:Ser Patrek mini shield.png|30px]] 16:53, October 19, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Garlan and Willas... ==
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Yeah, I just look at the Rollback feature as something for trusted editors to use. It makes editing/undoing things quicker and simpler. Any word on when our bureau rights come into effect? What is the latest with that? {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 19:01, October 19, 2014 (UTC)
   
Have both been removed from the updated House Tyrell family tree in the Season 3 Viewer's Guide. Not sure how you want to handle this?--[[File:The Boy Who Cried Direwolf white.png|250px|link=User:The Boy Who Cried Direwolf]][[File:Direwolf sig.png|40px|link=User talk:The Boy Who Cried Direwolf]] 08:28, April 29, 2013 (UTC)
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Oh fine, then, give Rollback rights to any trusted editors (It's like an extension of "Undo" I see).
   
:They were removed in Season 2, just like Shireen. Tywin's line doesn't deny their existance, just that Loras is the eldest son of Mace.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 15:07, April 29, 2013 (UTC)
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As for Bureaucrat rights...they said we had to hold a vote, so I started the vote. Then, to make sure it was legit, I sent Talk messages to all users with over 100 edits (by going down a list) as you may have seen last week. Not necessarily everyone, but I made sure to message a couple of dozen people, accounting for most anyone with a stake in things.
   
::We're discussing this over on the episode talk page. But yeah, Shireen was also removed as were some other third-tier characters, so I think there's a chance they might later choose to forget that they said he is "the" heir. I've already asked about this in the cargo cult.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 15:12, April 29, 2013 (UTC)
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...I do not know how long the vote needs to last, exactly, but I think "One Week" sounds standard. Which would be around midnight tomorrow night. So my basic plan was to wait another...9 plus 24 = 33 hours or so, until after midnight Monday, and only then try to contact Wikia Staff again and point out "We've had the vote open for a week, that seems to be standard voting time, I think the vote is finished ''unless you insist otherwise''" etc.
   
==Willas and Garlan==
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Yeah, so tomorrow night at midnight was when I was going to bring up the issue.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 19:14, October 19, 2014 (UTC)
The two might not be removed in the series, it could simply be that Loras was made the eldest son rather than Willas.
 
   
[[User:Draevan13|<font face="" color="#000000">'''DRAEVAN13'''</font>]][[File:Targaryen.JPG|26px|link=User talk:Draevan13]] 15:32, April 29, 2013 (UTC)
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==Bracket Tournament==
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Here's another one for you -
   
== Hemmlock ==
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I'm working on a list of 32 characters - who are not deceased as of the Season 4 finale - for the bracket tournament. Having trouble rounding out the 32, they don't so much need to be plausible as having a shot at the iron throne, but as having fans who would wish they could sit upon it. Also, this isn't necessarily a literal "fight" for the throne, but more like who's most likely to "fight, scheme, or claw" their way to it. This is ignoring such things as the fact that members of the knights watch *should* be ruled out, since obviously there are those who would vote for Jon & even Sam. However, characters like Gilly or Missandei for instance... probably don't belong on the list as it's too far of a stretch. Therein lies my problem, once all the obvious & main characters are on the list, I'm having trouble coming up with enough to make the full 32. Since you are far more familiar with the secondary characters than I am, can you help me finish (and update, feel free to nix anyone you see fit) this list?
   
How did you know it was another sockpuppet?--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 00:02, May 1, 2013 (UTC)
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Here's who I have so far, we just need an even 32:
   
:I don't know for sure. I've come to suspect anyone working on family tree templates, because rarely will new users start working on those. I suspect anyone who recently joined the wiki, provides no background information or outside confirmation of identity. Well, new to "wikia" - some people are "new" but have clearly had a long editing history on other Wikia sites, that proves they're not sockpuppets. HOWEVER, my running theory has been that if I ban someone who turns out to not be CestWhat, they'd complain about it. So far, no one has complained, leading me to believe it is indeed Cestwhat.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 02:52, May 1, 2013 (UTC)
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{|
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*Tyrion Lannister
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*Cersei Lannister
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*Daenerys Targaryen
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*Arya Stark
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*Jon Snow
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*Sansa Stark
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*Jorah Mormont
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*Jaime Lannister
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*Theon Greyjoy
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|valign="top" width="33%"|
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*Bran Stark
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*Petyr Baelish
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*Varys
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*Brienne of Tarth
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*Bronn
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*Gendry
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*Margaery Tyrell
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*Stannis Baratheon
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*Mance Rayder
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|valign="top" width="33%"|
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*Davos Seaworth
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*Melisandre
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*Balon Greyjoy
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*Tormund Giantsbane
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*Samwell Tarly
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*Ramsay Bolton
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*Daario Naharis
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*Gregor Clegane
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== Clearen ==
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Thank you in advance, good sir!
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:http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/xraydeltaone/images/b/b2/Siggy4.png '''@'''<staff/> <small>([[User:XD1|profile]])•([[User talk:XD1|talk]])</small> 01:17, October 21, 2014 (UTC)
   
I'm pretty sure this user is another CestWhat sock-puppet, but I've filed a "check user" request with the Wikia staff, just to make sure. I'm also going to inquire into ways of dealing with her permanently; for example: blocking her actual IP range, and preventing her from editing Wikia in it's entirety. She must be creating dozens of new accounts each week in anticipation of being blocked.--[[File:The Boy Who Cried Direwolf white.png|250px|link=User:The Boy Who Cried Direwolf]][[File:Direwolf sig.png|40px|link=User talk:The Boy Who Cried Direwolf]] 09:01, May 1, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
:I'm completely willing to block the entire geographical region of Toronto if that's what it takes. Indeed, I've been blocking Toronto-based anonymous IP addresses ''on sight'' and will continue to do so. The only reason I haven't is because our blocking tools can't easily be set up to block areas by geographical region. Yes, one bad user can and did "ruin it" for an entire major world city; there will never be another Toronto-based editor on this wiki for the next five seasons that this TV series runs and beyond (unless, they already have a profile on another Wikia site, dating to before 2013, so we know it isn't CestWhat). If the inhabitants of Toronto are upset about this, they should take it up with CestWhat. Until such time as the inhabitants of Toronto ''string up CestWhat from a lamppost''...the entire city must be blocked forever.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 22:02, May 1, 2013 (UTC)
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Well, because I'm all about being thorough, the 32 I'd list based on "plausibility" include:
   
::She began using a new one MINUTES after I blocked one.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 02:19, May 2, 2013 (UTC)
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Daenerys, Stannis, Shireen, Gendry, Tommen, Myrcella.
   
::: She's clearly obsessed. Although I wish we could block entire geographical regions - knowing CestWhat - she'd probably move to Azerbaijan, or someplace; anything to continue making minor edits on a wiki whose community wants nothing whatsoever to do with her. Anyway, I was right about Clearen, and I've asked Wikia to check the IP's of some other accounts that have been cropping up recently. At this stage that's all we can do.--[[File:The Boy Who Cried Direwolf white.png|250px|link=User:The Boy Who Cried Direwolf]][[File:Direwolf sig.png|40px|link=User talk:The Boy Who Cried Direwolf]] 09:31, May 2, 2013 (UTC)
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Myrcella's cool, but she only really comes to the fore in later books - matching when she returns in Season 5. Martin planned these books out in advance: Tommen, Myrcella, and Rickon Stark were nobodies in Season 1, but he knew the story would stretch on for years and that they'd grow into major figures later. Basically...out of Tywin's three children, it was Tyrion who inherited his extreme intellect. Similarly, in the next Lannister generation...Myrcella inherited all of the smarts. She's basically Tyrion's intellect and respect for the downtrodden (from being abused by Joffrey for years), but with the looks of a young teenaged Cersei. Characters in Dorne remark on how she's smarter than most adults they know, and are baffled that Cersei all but ignored the one of her children best suited to be a monarch (the irony being that Cersei is angry that her own father Tywin ignored her to focus on Jaime...then she did the exact same thing to her own children, focusing on Joffrey to the exclusion of her other two children. Reap as you sow, really.
   
==[[The Rains of Castamere (episode)]]==
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But that's just rival claimants and stuff. Broadening the term we get "sit on the Iron Throne" in the generic sense of "controls the throne", which goes on to include Littlefinger, Varys, Olenna and Margaery Tyrell.
I will love to add a synopses to the episode, when you and other admins is busy, but it is a little hard to do, when it's locked. I have added a synoses to [[Mhysa]] --[[User:Mesmermann|Mesmermann]] ([[User talk:Mesmermann|talk]]) 15:56, May 4, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Size of Dog ==
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So there's 11 right there. I'd say "Cersei" but she's kind of ruling through Tommen right now but...screw it, put in Cersei: a question of "will Tommen ever overcome Cersei's domination?". That gives us 12.
   
I'm confused by the dragon being size of a "Small Dog". That's a rough description. The dragon's look huge, more like a large dog, not like a small "Beagle" or "terrier". {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 18:09, May 6, 2013 (UTC)
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Jaime refused the throne numerous times, he doesn't even want to be Hand of the King. Should put Tyrion in though...he's a "faction" unto himself now, but without saying much, he may have fled for now but his idea is to side with Cersei's enemies because it will be easier to take down the Lannisters if they have a rival Lannister heir to put in charge of Casterly Rock in her place. Bronn, of course, I say with all sincerity, deserves a spot on the list: he's gone from wandering mercenary to a member of the minor nobility; now he just has to get rid of his wife's older sister and he'll be Lord of Stokeworth. At the rate he's going...so that gives us 14.
   
:Well, in comparison to a mastiff or a St. Bernard. We're talking about the dragon's body core, not the wings. Daenerys specifically points out in the books that dragons are actually a lot smaller than they seem at first, because they're mostly wing, tail, and neck -- they have to be, in order to be light enough that their wings can proportionately give them enough lift to fly at all.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 18:11, May 6, 2013 (UTC)
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Sansa Stark is slowly but surely turning into her own "faction" trying to dominate the realm - for the moment by siding with Littlefinger, but she's starting to "play the game" of politics in the Vale. 15.
::Ok, that makes sense. I could see them more the size of a Beagle now, rather than a Mastiff lol {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 18:41, May 6, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::Also, how do I block someone "infinite"? I always click on "another length if time" and write in "infinite" but it says "invalid time" or something. {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 18:46, May 6, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
:::Weird... I always type "infinite" and the lockdown prodceeds. Have you tried with "indefinite"
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I would insist on putting Arianne Martell on the list for...reasons. Not that she's been cast yet, but of the Dornish characters angling for the throne...bringing us to the halfway point, at 16.
   
I will try indefinite next time :) Thanks {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 23:34, May 7, 2013 (UTC)
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...I ''would'' put the Boltons/Freys on, because in the books...well, Lady Ryswell remarks on the Boltons and Freys taking part in the Red Wedding, and why someone as smart as Roose would think he could get away with something like that - they had Lannister backing. Similarly, Cersei and the Lannisters are now trying to distance themselves from their erstwhile Frey/Bolton allies, because they're the ones that literally got blood on their hands. So they want to blame the Freys and Boltons for being the ones who broke guest right....but Lady Ryswell says that she thinks Roose's plan all along was to turn it around and blame the Red Wedding on the Lannisters, accurately pointing out that it was the Lannisters who "gave the orders" to do it...and somehow Roose intends to manipulate this and turn it around to declare Northern independence yet again...just under Bolton kings. Meanwhile, Ramsay's a psychopath, but he's Roose's only living son, and Roose privately admits that Ramsay will kill any new children he fathers with Fat Walda rather than see a rival heir -- and there's little Roose can or will do to stop him, because he feels that "child heirs are the death of Great Houses" -- which is becoming very apparent with the young boy-king Tommen -- so he's settling for the lesser of two evils, and grooming Ramsay as his heir as best he can...to the North certainly, to a Bolton-ruled kingdom of the North? Possibly.
   
== "Southerner" ==
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Bringing us up to 18.
   
Would you try to add a "Northener" or "Northmen" article?--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 21:41, May 7, 2013 (UTC)
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I don't think Mance is a good choice because he's kind of beaten at this point, same with Tormund. Similarly, Jorah's an outcast. Daario doesn't make much more sense...unless you mean in the sense that he'd be Daenerys's consort?... Gregor Clegane doesn't make much sense, he's kind of unconscious now and not really ruling before that.
   
== Pixie Le Knot ==
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Davos and Melisandre kind of make sense in the meaning of "who will functionally rule through Stannis?" (like the angel and demon on his shoulders). Bringing us to 20.
   
Not entirely unprecedented: we've had a few edits to the actor articles that seemed to be made either by the actors or friends or family. As long as they do good edits, don't post anything dodgy and, if possible, source things, there's no problem.--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] ([[User talk:Werthead|talk]]) 11:42, May 10, 2013 (UTC)
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I suppose you could put Tycho Nestoris, in the sense of "whoever the Iron Bank of Braavos wants, the realm is bankrupt, Tycho can pretty much choose kings at this point"
   
== Grazdan mo Eraz ==
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Bran has kind of removed himself from the equation at this point...I'd put Rickon in his place because they sort of obviously set up that Rickon is "the surviving male Stark heir" now that Bran is gone.
   
Not sure where to even begin on his page (what to say about him that is) but I uploaded his image for whoever makes it :) [[File:Grazdan_mo_Eraz_S3.jpg|right|thumb|90px]] {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 04:19, May 13, 2013 (UTC)
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...getting ahead of ourselves, but if we count Season 5 stuff...the High Sparrow. Readers will know what we mean. 23.
   
== Theon & Ramsay ==
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...frankly you can keep Jon Snow on the list, due to the whole L+R=J...thing...
   
In the books Ramsay has only recently been taken away from his existence as a peasant and made a member of House Bolton (only a year or so before AGoT), so this kind of power is still new to him, and Theon is certainly the first highborn person to come into his power. So I think it's basically that: a grubby worm (though intelligent) raised to high station who can get back at the world for the misfortunes of his early life, and the more powerful the person he can humiliate and break, the better.--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] ([[User talk:Werthead|talk]]) 10:23, May 13, 2013 (UTC)
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Major points:
:Yes, I suppose that's it. I mean the "highborn" ironbmen at Moat Cailin or the other Northerners at the siege like Rodrik? He was in a hurry so he couldn't take his sweet time (though I question why he wouldn't want to torture Rodrick...yeah maybe that was also a matter of being in a hurry). But yeah...Theon's only the first...I mean the stuff he does once Jeyne Poole is under his power (''shudder'').--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 14:26, May 13, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
==Comment on Scare Cr0w's talk page==
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Really need to include Shireen and Myrcella. Myrcella is huge in Season 5.
It may be that I'm co​mpletely wrong and I've been missreading the books the whole time, but I'm fairly certain I'm right.  If not could to tell me where to find those parts? [[User:Draevan13|<font face="" color="#000000">'''DRAEVAN13'''</font>]][[File:Targaryen.JPG|26px|link=User talk:Draevan13]] 19:09, May 20, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
:(I was intentionally mixing small exaggerations in with the truth to yank his chain).--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 08:18, May 23, 2013 (UTC)
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...include Arianne Martell.
   
== Hey its Buffy ==
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If you include Theon, you need to include Yara Greyjoy. Now that Theon is given up for dead, there's this subplot that the ironborn are jockeying for position to be Balon's heir; some say Yara should be Queen of the Iron Islands after Balon, other traditionalists say a woman shouldn't rule and want to make one of Balon's younger brothers king.
   
Hey, I cleared my cache, now I can't remember my password. Anyway, I am going to go to bed for the night, but here are a couple of pictures you guys can use. "Old Man" and "Mary Frey". ....well, never mind, it won't let me even upload the pictures without logging in.... QueenBuffy
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If you include Ramsay Bolton you should really include Roose Bolton too.
   
== nav boxes ==
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...you didn't include Olenna or Margaery Tyrell. They're very, very important.
   
Did you see my talk page about the nav boxes? {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 03:01, June 4, 2013 (UTC)
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'''Your list has 25 and you needed 7 more:'''
   
== Podcast ==
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*Shireen Baratheon
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*Myrcella Baratheon
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*Margaery Tyrell
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*Olenna Tyrell
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*Yara Greyjoy
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*Roose Bolton
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*Arianne Martell
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*Tycho Nestoris
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*Rickon Stark
   
Did you listen?!!! :D {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 01:11, June 6, 2013 (UTC)
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Probably shouldn't include Mance, Tormund, and Gregor.
:About to: I missed out on a week of editing, and I'm busy "collecting the heads of state".--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 01:13, June 6, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
::Love we can always count on you for that ;) {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 01:14, June 6, 2013 (UTC) (I'm about to archive your crap for you if you don't... lol)
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...I don't know, substitute with "the High Sparrow", "Walder Frey", and "White Walker leader" (from "Oathkeeper")
:::I was going to archive it after the last episode of Season 3 airs in four days; that way it neatly forms a "Season 3 archive".--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 01:24, June 6, 2013 (UTC)
 
::Ahhh, makes sense :) After you listen to the podcast, lets discuss. {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 01:26, June 6, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Jaime s1 pic ==
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That's the best I've got for now.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 02:46, October 21, 2014 (UTC)
   
Do you know who/why Jaime's infobox image is reverted back to Season 1 Episode 1 of him, and not the most recent? {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 15:40, June 6, 2013 (UTC)
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==Status==
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Thanks for letting me know. I will hopefully be able to contribute a little but won't expect to reach my previous levels of activity again.--[[User:Opark 77|Opark 77]] ([[User talk:Opark 77|talk]]) 18:54, October 24, 2014 (UTC)
   
:Some new guy named "System2448" screwed with it, adding in an image of Season 1 which was also a "thumb" so it displayed improperly (then someone else tried to fix it by removing the house allegiance images). I reverted the second edit, to get the house allegiance images back, not realizing the error was with the first guy - should be fixed now.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 15:45, June 6, 2013 (UTC)
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:Yes, ser. I hope to see you then.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 18:57, October 24, 2014 (UTC)
   
::We don't need no System messing with zee'System!!! <-- my best Austin Powers bad-guy impression. And yes, it is fixed now... we all know we can't have my beloved Jaime's page a mess! lol {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 15:55, June 6, 2013 (UTC)
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==Your Questions==
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Hello! Yes I've read the books, but not all of them. I think the first 3, I can't remember if I started on the fourth or not. I skipped a couple chapters, like what's going on with the two younger Stark kids b/c I don't like them. I started reading after the show aired. So basically i'm still working on finishing. ''(I'm also reading the last book of Eragon, & it's like 1,000 pages)'' I'm still debating if I'm going to read ahead. I just want to know whats going to happen to Danny! B/c I love her the most! ''(& Jon better not be related to her, b/c though they've never met, I want them to be a couple! b/c Jon's comfortable around strong women and they both just want to be loved)'' Really, I'm nervous about who's going to die is what I'm getting at. Those two cannot. Side not about Jaime and Brienne, I want them to be a couple?? But Brienne's too good for J b/c he's hooking up w his sis. As a twin, it makes me want to vomit.
   
== Boltons as great house ==
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Also, I WAS is Oz, but I'm in Canada at Uni. in Ontario? Are you an Auzzy???
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*Do You watch Reign? It's the EFFING best!
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--[[User:Lorisa214|~ Lorisa! ]] ([[User talk:Lorisa214|talk]]) 10:17, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
   
At least wait until the show brings it up.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 15:43, June 6, 2013 (UTC)
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== Away ==
   
:Yes, I realize now. Things were hectic and confused the night of the episode, didn't realize they hadn't established that yet. Indeed, from trailer, I think the next episode picks up immediately after the last one, as we see Roose Bolton staring out over the burning Stark camp at the Twins.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 15:46, June 6, 2013 (UTC)
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Just wanted to let you know, that my internet service is gone for awhile. I will check on her sporadically, but unfortunately you won't see too much from me until I get service. {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 21:34, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
   
== tonight... ==
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== Census Data reply ==
   
Sooo, you excited about tonight's finale!? After last week, I'm not sure what to expect! {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 17:23, June 9, 2013 (UTC)
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Greetings my Lord,
:I'm excited because I know what happens in the book, but I'm not really sure where the cutoff point is going to be. Certain events which blatantly happened in the last 50 pages or so of the book certainly won't appear, but other major events might happen. Like, the Joffrey/Margaery wedding introduces many new characters such as Oberyn Martell, but they haven't even been cast yet (not too spoilery to say that the wedding is going to happen, they've been setting it up). So I don't know if they're going to have the Joffrey/Margaery wedding.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 17:26, June 9, 2013 (UTC)
 
::Yeah I wasn't sure about that either... since Jaime is returning, and there will be a certain moment... in a certain "Sept".. lol. I'm not quite sure how this will play out. That's a lot to fill in one hour, but I suppose it could be done. {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 17:30, June 9, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::One of the big shocks of the Red Wedding is that it really happens in the middle of the third book, maybe even a little before the middle; it isn't even at the part of the book you ''expect'' a climax like that. I think it may have been a mistake for the TV show to put it at episode 9, because something "big" always happens at the end of the season, in episode 9 (Ned's execution, Battle of the Blackwater). Though on the other hand they split book 3 across Season 3 and Season 4 (because it's the longest book), and this is preferable to cramming it all in one season, even though it means the Red Wedding ended up being used as the "season finale" of sorts (episode 10 is always an epilogue). But yeah, I thought they might do more of one storyline or another (pushing Daenerys and Jon Snow's entire storylines into season 4), but instead, it's been pretty even across all storylines so far: the Lannister, Targaryen, Baratheon, and Night's Watch storylines are all roughly in synch with the point they were at in the middle of the third book when the Red Wedding happened.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 17:37, June 9, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
==Re: Guest Star==
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I am currently reading the books. I started reading them after the latest season, as I needed to quench my GoT thirst. I am still trying to finish, and am reading at my own pace (as in not trying to sync it with the show). I've finished the first book and am at the beginning of the second. I am a male. I hail from the lands of the Niagara region, Ontario, Canada.
Hey, I know it is not a complete quote, but as I explained in a past edit summary, an extra piece of information has a comma before it, here is an example:
 
   
:''Eddard Stark to his bastard son.''
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​[[User:Iron Bank|Iron Bank]] ([[User talk:Iron Bank|talk]]) 02:49, October 26, 2014 (UTC)
   
There is how it should be....but to add a name is more information, that is sometimes not needed, so adding the name would be set like this:
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== On the Top Bar menu: ==
   
:''Eddard Stark to his bastard son, Jon Snow.''
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I'm a huge fan of the new menu. The only suggestion I have for it is maybe changing "Boltons/Freys" to "Bolton/Frey"? The rest of the houses are all singular (Stark, Lannister, etc.) and it just seems a little awkward to have "Boltons/Freys" be different.--[[User:Iron Bank|Iron Bank]] ([[User talk:Iron Bank|talk]]) 16:01, October 26, 2014 (UTC)
   
Do you see what I mean? This is to clear up what edits I have done before, because some of it got removed.
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:Oh, yeah.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 05:59, October 26, 2014 (UTC)
But about the period, I added a bit more information...and then added the period.
 
- [[User:BanishU|Liam &#34;BanishU&#34; Michaels]] ([[User talk:BanishU|talk]]) 22:36, June 9, 2013 (UTC)
 
:Sometimes who they say it to is inconsequential, though other times it does matter who they're talking to.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 22:40, June 9, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Martell family tree ==
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==Promotion to bureaucrats==
   
It had Arianne, Quentyn and Ellaria Sand on it despite not being yet established in TV canon. It was also a creation of CestWhat under the new sockpuppet: Martelling.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 04:26, June 11, 2013 (UTC)
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Is it done already?--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 13:32, October 26, 2014 (UTC)
:I considered that we should lock the Family Tree templates so only Administrators can edit them. Then I decided no, because Cestwhat is stupid or obsessed enough to keep editing family tree templates, under each new username, even after ''I have expressly warned her'' that one of the primary reasons we keep figuring out it's her again is because ''she's almost the only non-Administrator who edits family tree templates''. Thus they should remain unlocked, simply because it's a good way of detecting Cestwhat when she screws with them.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 04:34, June 11, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Lock categories ==
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==​Census Data Answers==
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Hello!
   
What we ''should'' lock from anons its categories. The category vandal shows up twice a week, from a different IP address.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 21:55, June 11, 2013 (UTC)
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Currently, I am enjoying the TV show very much and I do not really have a desire to read the books. I may change my mind in the future, but for now I am simply enjoying the show. As my profile states, I am male. I am originally from and currently live in the state of New Jersey. Since I am on the east coast, I watch new episodes of Game of Thrones when they air at 9:00 PM.
   
:I agree. This demonstrates the need to lock things. One bad anonymous user can, and has, ruined it for everyone else.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 18:51, June 14, 2013 (UTC)
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[[User:HurricaneHero93|HurricaneHero93]] ([[User talk:HurricaneHero93|talk]]) 13:41, October 26, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Kesslerbeast ==
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==Featured Video==
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I see your point, of course, but it was requested of me, and inquiring allowed me check it off my list so-to-speak. As for the other video, that's a great choice in my eyes.
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:http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/xraydeltaone/images/b/b2/Siggy4.png '''@'''<staff/> <small>([[User:XD1|profile]])•([[User talk:XD1|talk]])</small> 21:02, October 29, 2014 (UTC)
   
What did he do?--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 21:50, June 11, 2013 (UTC)
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Thanks a bunch.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 15:30, October 30, 2014 (UTC)
:He inserted into [[Peter Dinklage]]'s page [http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Peter_Dinklage?diff=prev&oldid=95360] that Dinklage had just died in a car accident.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 21:53, June 11, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== How canon are actor and producer conversations? ==
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==​More Census Data Answers==
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Hi TDD,
   
I'm just wondering, because Iwan Rheon gave a nice interview about his development of Ramsay with D&D. Among the aspects of his character they discussed was the conception by rape, and the murder of Domeric. Should this information be taken as canon?--{{The Boy Who Cried Direwolf/signiture}} 10:47, June 12, 2013 (UTC)
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To answer your census data questions:
:Things actors state in interviews are slightly below the aired episodes in terms of canon (i.e. if Finn Jones talked about Willas and Garlan, then an episode said he's the only Tyrell son, he would be mistaken). At least, such actor statements would go under the "Behind the Scenes" section, as anything an actor says is at least "relevant". In general, though, we wouldn't put information about Domeric in the main sections of articles; even if the actor mentions the murder, it hasn't happened in the show yet - however, it would go on his page under "behind the scenes" and later get "promoted" to the main canon section.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 23:58, June 12, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Removing Barra and Mhaegen ==
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*I haven't read the books, but I will do so after the show has finished. I've held off reading them as I'd like to enjoy the show on its own terms without worrying about differences to the source text, as I tend to get more annoyed than I should by such differences. I can enjoy the whole thing (or at least as far as GRRM has got when the show finishes) all over again by reading the books.
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*I am male.
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*I live in the south-east of England, so the show airs a day after it does in the States. I record the show as I can't always see it on the day of transmission, but I usually make sure I see it as soon as possible.
   
Under that precedent, Gendry should also be removed.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 00:41, June 15, 2013 (UTC)
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Hope this is useful.
:Gendry is important enough of a character to warrant mention, as it is a character guide as well as family guide. All of Robert's other bastard children, and Stannis' three stillborn sons, do not serve much function as independent entries in the family tree. I'll at least finish first so you can see what I'm trying to achieve.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 00:43, June 15, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Other family trees ==
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[[User:Esnifador|Esnifador]] ([[User talk:Esnifador|talk]]) 19:49, November 1, 2014 (UTC)
*Martells: One with Doran, Oberyn, Elia (her children and Rhaegar) and Trystane.
 
*Florents: lets wait until more members are revealed or mentioned. I guess we'll get a few more Florents in the future
 
*Tarlys: They deserve one with Randyll, Melessa and Sam
 
*Tarths: Likewise
 
*Tyrells: Like you said: Margaery, then Loras, then Willas and then Garlan.
 
*Freys: I guess in the following seasons we'll get more Freys and, hopefully, we'll get a viewers guide tree
 
*Karstarks: Lets have one with only Torrhen and Harrion and update it if new Karstarks appear in the future.
 
*Pooles: The Pooles deserve one
 
* Marbrands: Addam "appeared" and Damon was mentioned, they deserve one as well.
 
   
--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 00:57, June 15, 2013 (UTC)
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== Heraldry template ==
   
:The Baratheon one is proving to be tougher than I thought. As for the Freys, the current template is actually good enough to suffice until we get a new Viewer's Guide update.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 01:29, June 15, 2013 (UTC)
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Thanks to Wikia Star UltimateSupreme, we now have a fully functional [[Template:Heraldry|heraldry]] template! He's asking if he can use a bot to help distribute the template across the wiki, which would save us loads of time doing it manually. I thought I better ask you first if it would be okay?--[[User:Ser Patrek|Ser Patrek]], [[User talk:Ser Patrek|the Wolfskinner]] [[File:Ser Patrek mini shield.png|30px]] 12:29, November 2, 2014 (UTC)
   
:We should add, at least, Black Walder.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 02:14, June 15, 2013 (UTC)
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:Oh, that ''is'' good news. Yeah, sounds great.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 23:42, November 2, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Tyrell family tree ==
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== Infobox designs ==
   
Could you restore Willas and Garlan?--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 16:57, June 15, 2013 (UTC)
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Hey TDD. [[User:Ser Patrek|Ser Patrek]] and I were having a discussion about the design of infoboxes on the wiki. We think it would be nice to have infoboxes (automatically) change their color based on the allegiance. Till now, I have created an [http://ultimatesupreme.wikia.com/wiki/Tyrion_Lannister example for the lannisters]. What do you think?--''[[User:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#0078ff; text-shadow: 0px 1px 0.4px #0054d3, -1px -1px 1px white, -2px -2px 6px #0093f4;">~Ultimate</span>]][[User talk:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#f00; text-shadow: 0px 1px 0.4px #f33, 1px 0px 1px white, 2px 2px 6px #f33, -2px -2px 6px #f33;">Supreme</span>]]'' 06:26, November 6, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Cassel and Poole ==
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...Well that looks great for Tyrion, but not every character has a House affiliation...and some Houses have colors which might not show up well against our backgrounds. Really great for Tyrion and the Lannisters, though. Do you have ideas for what to use for other character groups?--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 19:06, November 7, 2014 (UTC)
   
Has Beth Cassel been established in any way in the show?. Also, I think that the wives shouldn't be referred to as "Lady Cassel" or "Lady Poole", since neither Cassels nor Pooles are "lords".--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 07:49, June 15, 2013 (UTC)
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Added [http://ultimatesupreme.wikia.com/wiki/Tyrion_Lannister examples] for starks and baratheon as well. Yeah, offcourse there will be a default color scheme for all those (and for episode and other infoboxes). I also changed the font of the page title to a ''Game Of Thrones'' style. As usual you have to clear cache to see all those changes--''[[User:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#0078ff; text-shadow: 0px 1px 0.4px #0054d3, -1px -1px 1px white, -2px -2px 6px #0093f4;">~Ultimate</span>]][[User talk:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#f00; text-shadow: 0px 1px 0.4px #f33, 1px 0px 1px white, 2px 2px 6px #f33, -2px -2px 6px #f33;">Supreme</span>]]'' 09:38, November 9, 2014 (UTC)
:Martin himself has acknowledged how vague and nonspecific his ranks and terminology of nobility are: everyone who isn't a king is called a "lord" instead of "Duke" or something. The problem is that every "highborn" gets called "lord" or "lady" by default, without being the actual "Lord" or "Lady" (capital L) of something. For example, Arya would be called "my lady" without actually being Lady of anything.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 08:24, June 15, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
:Beth hasn't been established in the show yet, but as it's just a family tree and she's not that big of a character (as opposed to revealing who Ramsay Snow was in Season 2), I didn't think it would hurt anything.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 18:16, June 15, 2013 (UTC)
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==Photo issue==
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I was having some problems adding a photo yesterday to a character's gallery, Daario Naharis in specific. My problem wasn't to add the photo but to place it side-by-side the other photos. Any help? 
   
== Joanna and Stafford Lannister tree ==
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[[User:Sebahed|Sebahed]] ([[User talk:Sebahed|talk]]) 15:47, November 6, 2014 (UTC)Sebahed
   
Nice job.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 07:50, June 15, 2013 (UTC)
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Thanks for the help man! I appreciate it! 
   
== Main Lannister tree ==
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[[User:Sebahed|Sebahed]] ([[User talk:Sebahed|talk]]) 20:19, November 7, 2014 (UTC)Sebahed
Adding Trystane is confusing. It might lead someone to think he's Myrcella's lover as Jaime and Cersei have the same type of line.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 17:38, June 15, 2013 (UTC)
 
:In general, I thought we were using the dotted lines to represent "significant romantic pairing" that wasn't a marriage, i.e. Loras and Renly, and that this went up to and including betrothal. Myrcella and Trystane do seem to have a surprisingly good relationship, all things considered. I thought we'd use them for "betrothal" as well, particularly because I've encountered people who forgot that Myrcella got paired up with Trystane.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 18:15, June 15, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
:The dotted line was used to refer to "sexual liaison" outside marriage. Under that precedent, Shae should also be in the Lannister tree, even more so than Trystane.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 19:54, June 21, 2013 (UTC)
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== Census data reply ==
   
== The Pest ==
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Hi TDD,
I think we should include Werthead on this. I have deleted EVERY contribution of the latest sockpuppet I detected but I agree its not enough.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 08:35, June 21, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
http://downtonabbey.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:CestWhat?oldid=25677#Your_continued_existence_offends_me
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I had the first 3 books some years before the series started, but watched the first couple of seasons with only vague book memories. I have now read them all. I'm from New South Wales, Australia. [[User:Rachel P|<font face="Parchment" size=6 color="#005500">''Rachel''</font>]] [[User talk:Rachel P|<font face="Parchment" size=6 color="#005500">''P''</font>]] 08:01, November 9, 2014 (UTC)
   
"From this moment on... There will be no further reprisals against civilians. This was stupid. Impotence. Comrades... If a fox stole your chickens... Would you slaughter your pig because he saw the fox? No. You would hunt the fox... '''You would find where it lives and destroy it!''' And how do we do this? ''Become a fox''." --[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 13:23, June 21, 2013 (UTC)
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== Checking in ==
   
== Florent family tree ==
 
   
Do we know for certain Imry Florent is dead?. Also, you should add Stannis and Shireen to it.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 01:46, June 23, 2013 (UTC)
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Just checking in. How are things going around here? {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 20:24, November 10, 2014 (UTC)
   
:I'm not finished with it yet; it will be finished (and open to revision) when I openly post it in main articles (which will be in a few minutes). The show didn't establish that Imry is dead, but then again it only identified him as "Imry Florent" in the credits - I thought this was a good example of one of those moments where we use the books to fill in the gaps. Certainly, for a guy acting as Stannis' lieutenant at the Battle of the Blackwater, we never see him again in all of Season 3.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 01:49, June 23, 2013 (UTC)
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Not much in terms of "news". I made Ser Patrek an Admin again and he's been collaborating on an improved infobox template plus finally getting the heraldry on the infoboxes to display well.
   
::Like the Greatjon. And Kevan Lannister. And Lancel. And.. you get the idea.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 06:16, June 27, 2013 (UTC)
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Otherwise I'm up against midterms again so things slowed down on my end, though at the same time, i'm finally making headway on my list of Season 4 notes of stuff I meant to add in later. More information soon.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 00:50, November 11, 2014 (UTC)
   
==The CestWhat Saga==
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== Late census data ==
If you've reported it to the relevant Wikia authorities, is there much more we can do?--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] ([[User talk:Werthead|talk]]) 15:03, June 24, 2013 (UTC)
 
:I'm inexperienced with this kind of thing, so I'm not sure if I indeed reported it to the correct authorities at Wikia: what I'm asking is if the complaint I filed was indeed sent to the proper section.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 15:05, June 24, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
::Well, the b*tca is still prowling. I've just blocked her latest incarnation and deleted pretty much all edits.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 20:37, July 4, 2013 (UTC)
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Not sure if this is too late to help you, but I haven't read the books, and I don't plan on reading them since I made the mistake of reading all the spoilers over at awoiaf. I hail from and am based in the Northeastern US, but I'm usually in Cyprus when new episodes air. Hope that helps! --[[User:Ragestorm|Ragestorm]] ([[User talk:Ragestorm|talk]]) 19:03, November 12, 2014 (UTC)
   
:::I'm going to move the Family Tree templates up from "Block new users" to "Block non-Administrators" -- how long does a member have to be on the site before they are no longer considered "new". According to her contributions page, she was able to edit House Templates locked with "Block New Users" after only four days of editing.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 22:53, July 4, 2013 (UTC)
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:What are you doing in Cyprus on a regular basis?--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 21:22, November 12, 2014 (UTC)
   
::::The problem is that she'll then create new templates to replace the blocked ones, kind of like what she does with the images.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 23:01, July 4, 2013 (UTC)
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::Archaeology. I work on the remains of an Iron Age city-kingdom most summers. I catch the last few episodes per season over there.--[[User:Ragestorm|Ragestorm]] ([[User talk:Ragestorm|talk]]) 22:06, November 15, 2014 (UTC)
   
:::::...you're right, she will. We will have to resort to "Plan R". God help us all.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 23:06, July 4, 2013 (UTC)
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==Telltale Games==
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Since the first episode of ''[[Game of Thrones: A Telltale Games Series]]'' comes out next month, will we be covering stuff from this game or should it have it's own wiki? --[[User: Greater good|Greater Good]] ([[User talk: Greater good|talk]]) 01:51, November 17, 2014 (UTC)
   
Mdreyes1228 was blocked for spamming. I don't think it was the pest. The username doesn't fir the profile.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 01:17, July 5, 2013 (UTC)
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...I think it's like Ascent and should be separate, but to be honest I know absolutely nothing about it so I'm not sure. Er...the new plan I guess is to at least cover that on a single article devoted to the game as a whole, and we'll see what happens.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 02:10, November 17, 2014 (UTC)
:CestWhat is out of control. I could only hope that this person seeks professional help in their real life. Talk about wasting your time trolling the Game of Thrones wiki lol {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 01:19, July 5, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
==The Mountain That Talks==
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: They should be kept separate, in my opinion. I've already registered the domain name "gottelltale.wikia.com, so that we can keep the subject under our jurisdiction if we so choose.--[[User:Ser Patrek|Ser Patrek]], [[User talk:Ser Patrek|the Wolfskinner]] [[File:Ser Patrek mini shield.png|30px]] 06:32, November 17, 2014 (UTC)
The return of Ch'vyalthan?--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 22:06, June 26, 2013 (UTC)
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:: Hey folks! Caught this conversation and just wanted to throw in my two cents. HBO and Telltale have both confirmed the consistent events of Telltale's game is show canon, so it may make it more convenient (and less work) to keep it on this wiki. Just an idea. Oh! And we're definitely happy to help you make any adjustments you need to keep it.
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::Best, Jorge <staff/><small>([[User:JAlbor|profile]])•([[User talk:JAlbor|talk]])</small> 23:34, November 17, 2014 (UTC)
   
:I doubt it; Ch'vyalthan was even worse than this, made even more ridiculous mistakes, had a different typing style, and would have been making far more edits.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 23:00, June 26, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
==Massacre of the Stark household==
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Oh...do you have linked sources for those statements? We should put them in the article. Well, we are covering stuff in "the TV continuity" as a whole including the Blu-ray animated featurettes.
   
Per the example set by the Red Wedding article, I think should we have one named "Massacre at the Red Keep", since ifs one of the events that plunges the realm into war. What do you think.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 19:23, June 27, 2013 (UTC)
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I'll have to keep an eye on this then, though there are other projects I'm getting finished up just now.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 23:59, November 17, 2014 (UTC)
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:: Yea, as far I understand the game will follow the events concurrent in the show. Some images were actually leaked today showing off some darn good renditions of the actors in the game too. You can check them out [http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/11/17/telltales-game-of-thrones-screenshots-leak-online right here]. Oh, and here's some info about the game being [http://www.telltalegames.com/blog/86265/your-story-begins-first-details-on-game-of-thrones-a-telltale-games-series based 100% on show canon].Jorge <staff/><small>([[User:JAlbor|profile]])•([[User talk:JAlbor|talk]])</small> 00:16, November 18, 2014 (UTC)
   
==War of the Five Kings template==
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::: Well, those screenshots haven't been confirmed to be legit yet, though I'm sure they probably are. I will be getting the game at some point, but I can't even begin to think how we'd incorporate this information here... we'd have to split all our articles up into separate namespaces: "Show" and "Game", presumably? Trying to put game exclusive information into our existing show articles will be a nightmare. Surely Ascent is set within the show universe as well? Like the Dragon said, we don't include that stuff here; nor do we include material from the 2012 role-play game. I don't agree with this at all, and will definitely want to see an official statement from HBO that says the game is canon.--[[User:Ser Patrek|Ser Patrek]], [[User talk:Ser Patrek|the Wolfskinner]] [[File:Ser Patrek mini shield.png|30px]] 11:40, November 18, 2014 (UTC)
I have created a War of the Five Kings template: [[:Template:WarOfTheFiveKings]]. Be sure to take a look and improve it anyway you see fit. I also think we should find some kind of name of the raid of Amory Lorch against Yoren and the Watch recruits. The books make no mention on where it takes place.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 19:23, June 27, 2013 (UTC)
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:::: If the game is consistent with the events from the show, I doubt much would have to be done to existing pages. I imagine it would really only be an issue for characters from the show appearing in the games. The Walking Dead wiki incorporates video game characters creating a second page for their game appearances 9http://walkingdead.wikia.com/wiki/Hershel_Greene_(Video_Game)). Alternatively a section could be added to the bottom of character pages for events in the game as well, so instead of having to duplicate content readers can just scroll to the bottom and read about the game events easily there. We could also help out if decided to go any of those above routes. I don't think it would be as daunting as you might think, especially because these games tend to be short and released once a month or so. As for Ascent or the RPG, I don't think either are HBO Officially licensed are they? Even if they are, both that and the RPG are not narrative-driven games like Telltale's at least, which is more like an interactive show than a game really. Jorge <staff/><small>([[User:JAlbor|profile]])•([[User talk:JAlbor|talk]])</small> 18:01, November 18, 2014 (UTC)
   
:So it turns out that, according the books, the nameless holdfast is located in a town '''by the Gods Eye'''. What do you think of "Raid by the God's Eye"? --[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 20:23, June 27, 2013 (UTC)
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Unless a separate wiki is created this wiki is going to get a fair bit lot of attention when this game comes out, in fact it would probably get a fair bit of attention anyway, this isn't like the other games on this wiki, the episodes for it will be released around a month or two apart so the attention won't go away after a couple of weeks.<br> I've seen the kind of attention Walking Dead and Wolf Among Us have received and assuming that this game will be no different you are going to have people coming here to add the kind of depth that Wikipedia wouldn't go into and then use that as a way of discussing the game, on TWD wiki's Forum the Video Game discussion section has more threads and posts than any other section including the comic and TV show sections combined, and yes at least 90% of the time they would be referring to the Telltale one, I'm not saying the attention will be that high for GOT but it could still get a high level of attention.<br> My point is that when this game is released you will have a fair bit of attention to put it mildly and if you haven't figured out how you're going to handle it things may get a little chaotic and that wouldn't be good for anyone.<br> Personally I think Jorge is right and I would like it if we found a way to integrate the game into this wiki rather than splitting off into a second one, regardless I think you will have to at least make pages for the episodes due to the detail level.<br>
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Finally here's a couple of links to give you an example of what I'm talking about because out of context I may look paranoid or delusional. <br> The First Walking Dead Game: http://walkingdead.wikia.com/wiki/Season_1_(Video_Game) <br> The TWD wiki Forum (look at the threads and posts for each section): http://walkingdead.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Forum
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--[[User:Gboy4|Gboy4]] ([[User talk:Gboy4|talk]]) 12:16, November 20, 2014 (UTC)
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==Game of Thrones Quiz==
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Hey! I reached out to Buffy about this but noticed she hasn't been online recently, so I wanted to check in with you. We have this nice little pencil header for the quiz that we were thinking would be nice to go on the Tyrion, Jaime, Jon, Arya, Daenerys, and Baelish pages since they are the final results on the personality quiz. The idea is that, if people happen upon the article, they'll see the header and click on it to go to the quiz. Let me know if that's alright with you! I've attached the image so you can see how it looks. Is it alright if I add it to the top of the article pages that I listed above? [[File:PQuiz_GameofThrones_PencilUnit.jpg|thumb]] [[User:Gcheung28|Grace]] <staff/> <small>([[User:Gcheung28|profile]])•([[User talk:Gcheung28|talk]])</small> 23:26, November 17, 2014 (UTC
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Oh sure, that's okay.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 23:58, November 17, 2014 (UTC)
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:Great! I'll add them in today :) [[User:Gcheung28|Grace]] <staff/> <small>([[User:Gcheung28|profile]])•([[User talk:Gcheung28|talk]])</small> 16:28, November 18, 2014 (UTC)
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==Done!==
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I've given back the [[:Category:Image (Character)|Image (Character)]] category to those images I messed around with yesterday. I'm sorry about this, but we learn from our mistakes, don't we? – [[User:The Snow Prince|The Snow Prince]] ([[User talk:The Snow Prince|talk]]) 16:57, November 21, 2014 (UTC)
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You are being very obsequious.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 02:13, November 22, 2014 (UTC)
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== Small Council ==
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Shall we hold a small council meeting to discuss how to proceed regarding the Telltale game.?--[[User:Ser Patrek|Ser Patrek]], [[User talk:Ser Patrek|the Wolfskinner]] [[File:Ser Patrek mini shield.png|30px]] 10:47, November 23, 2014 (UTC)
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...yeah. I'm not really sure how to proceed. The thought struck me that if they have the time and resources to make an invented TV/video game storyline, they have the time and resources to make webisodes that tell the ironborn subplot which has been happening "off screen". Well, that only really started in book 4 and they didn't do much in book 3, fair enough. But we're reached the absolute last point that they can mention the ironborn subplot before it becomes problematic.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 16:25, November 23, 2014 (UTC)
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: That's an interesting idea. The fact that actors from the show are voicing their own characters has convinced me that game is indeed canon, so right now I'm leaning towards including it here. It's just not practical to start a companion wiki now at this late stage... the damn thing could be released any day now, so whatever we decide we need to do it quick.--[[User:Ser Patrek|Ser Patrek]], [[User talk:Ser Patrek|the Wolfskinner]] [[File:Ser Patrek mini shield.png|30px]] 16:53, November 23, 2014 (UTC)
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:: Christ, it's happening already!--[[User:Ser Patrek|Ser Patrek]], [[User talk:Ser Patrek|the Wolfskinner]] [[File:Ser Patrek mini shield.png|30px]] 21:16, November 23, 2014 (UTC)
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== Telltale Checklist ==
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Okay, so I've written a [[House Forrester]] article, complete with sigil; I've created shield and banner icons for heraldry, and added it to the relevant articles; I've set up a "Forrester navbox", and rolled it out, and am in the middle of cleaning up and completing the character articles that we currently know about. I've also made a new image licensing tag for Telltale and tagged the necessary file pages with it, and also made new categories for video game characters and images. I'm determined to get on top of this situation before the first episode is released... is there anything else you want me to do?--[[User:Ser Patrek|Ser Patrek]], [[User talk:Ser Patrek|the Wolfskinner]] [[File:Ser Patrek mini shield.png|30px]] 13:37, November 24, 2014 (UTC)
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:...I'm not sure. This is amazing work, thank you for jumping onto this.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 22:45, November 24, 2014 (UTC)
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== Navboxes ==
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Hi, All the navboxes are unreadable as the words blend into the background color. Not very user friendly
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: This has been on my to-do list for awhile now... apologies for not getting round to it sooner. I'll have a look tomorrow morning.--[[User:Ser Patrek|Ser Patrek]], [[User talk:Ser Patrek|the Wolfskinner]] [[File:Ser Patrek mini shield.png|30px]] 11:28, November 29, 2014 (UTC)
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Yes, I'm painfully aware. Busy with holiday weekend and end of semester projects, will get a better handle on things when real-life stuff gets finished.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 21:33, November 29, 2014 (UTC)
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== Checking in ==
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Checking in once again :) How are things going here? {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 19:43, December 1, 2014 (UTC)
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==Game of Thrones Programming Promotion==
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Hey, Dragon! Our bracket tournament is nearing the end and the personality quiz is still getting some traffic, but we were hoping to get more eyes on both those items. With that said, I can't remember if we discussed sending out a Community Message about them? It would be great if we could use that feature to promote one or both of those programs to people that visit this wikia :) Let me know what you think! [[User:Gcheung28|Grace]] <staff/> <small>([[User:Gcheung28|profile]])•([[User talk:Gcheung28|talk]])</small> 21:35, December 2, 2014 (UTC)
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Oh sure, that's fine.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 21:42, December 3, 2014 (UTC)
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:Cool, I'll put those out today, thanks :) [[User:Gcheung28|Grace]] <staff/> <small>([[User:Gcheung28|profile]])•([[User talk:Gcheung28|talk]])</small> 16:28, December 4, 2014 (UTC)
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Hey Dragon, the character tournament just ended today and I posted the [http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Gcheung28/Game_of_Thrones_Character_Tournament_-_Winner_Announcement winners blog here]! Feel free to replace that slide on the main page with whatever you want, and thanks again for letting us promote on there :) [[User:Gcheung28|Grace]] <staff/> <small>([[User:Gcheung28|profile]])•([[User talk:Gcheung28|talk]])</small> 22:56, December 19, 2014 (UTC)
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== Back. ==
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Hey Hey, I'll be around a little more now :) Got an internet booster on the way, but for now decided I'll use a hotspot on my cell. Things going good? What is the latest with the game stuff? {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 17:58, December 7, 2014 (UTC)
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Great. Well I'm not sure what's going on with the game, we're at least watching it for info. Westeros.org has an interesting review up discussing canon status.
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School semester ends for me on December 18th, then I can finally sit down and get to work on the major projects that need to be done.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 21:07, December 7, 2014 (UTC)
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thanks and you are welcome ^^
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Thanks for your infos.
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I love the series, the story is very great and I love the charas. I can't wait to see the new season. ^^
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Have a nice day.
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==Fannotation Vid==
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Just a heads up that I placed the Fannotation video in the Featured Vid module on the main page! Cheers, [[w:User:Bchwood|<font color="Blue">Peter</font>]]<staff /> 19:35, December 8, 2014 (UTC)
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==Re: Game of Thrones Cast List==
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Hey there,
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Thank you for getting back to me. She is [http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1103771/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1 this Mary Jordan]. She scheduled to be in Season 5 Ep. 10. She is trying to get her online presence out there and is in the middle of getting her IMDb page updated as well as her Wikipedia. If we can help her get started that would be great. Thanks again for your response and help.
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[[User:Mighty No. 9|Mighty No. 9]] ([[User talk:Mighty No. 9|talk]]) 22:15, December 15, 2014 (UTC)
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==Lock==
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You have a new message. [[User:FishyTicTacs|FishyTicTacs]] ([[User talk:FishyTicTacs|talk]]) 22:55, December 17, 2014 (UTC)
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Why isn't the lock on my profile off?[[User:FishyTicTacs|FishyTicTacs]] ([[User talk:FishyTicTacs|talk]]) 23:15, December 18, 2014 (UTC)
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Can you please respond?[[User:FishyTicTacs|FishyTicTacs]] ([[User talk:FishyTicTacs|talk]]) 23:16, December 18, 2014 (UTC)
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I ''did'' respond to you, on your Talk page. This is my Talk page.
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These "are" messages.
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For example when you left a message above saying "You have a new message" -- that's like leaving a letter in a mailbox with only "this is a letter" written on it.
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Yes, the lock on your profile was removed a while ago.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 00:12, December 19, 2014 (UTC)
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== Infoboxes ==
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I've just been speaking with UltimateSupreme, and it seems like we're ready to start rolling out the new infobox template. If you don't mind, could you please make him a temporary administrator while he does this, as he needs to be able to modify the CSS? This would just be while the work is carried out, which won't be for long.--[[User:Ser Patrek|Ser Patrek]], [[User talk:Ser Patrek|the Wolfskinner]] [[File:Ser Patrek mini shield.png|30px]] 14:24, December 3, 2014 (UTC)
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Would be nice if you could do it now. I'd be free for a while--''[[User:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#0078ff; text-shadow: 0px 1px 0.4px #0054d3, -1px -1px 1px white, -2px -2px 6px #0093f4;">~Ultimate</span>]][[User talk:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#f00; text-shadow: 0px 1px 0.4px #f33, 1px 0px 1px white, 2px 2px 6px #f33, -2px -2px 6px #f33;">Supreme</span>]]'' 08:44, December 19, 2014 (UTC)
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== Bastard to !@#$%^&* ==
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I fixed the word filter. --[[User:-Gladiatus-|Gladiatus]] ([[User talk:-Gladiatus-|talk]]) 13:13, December 21, 2014 (UTC)
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== Mary Jordan ==
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Hi TDD, I think the link that Mighty left us is the one for the correct Mary Jordan. I'm not sure how to go about it exactly though. Thoughts? {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 05:00, December 24, 2014 (UTC)
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==Wiki Status==
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There have been several people on this wikia recently who have been "messing it up". Like for example someone gave the title "Bord of winterfell" to Bran. It was on this wikia for many days before i undid it. Like, what's going on with this wikia recently?
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[[User:Pungrotte|Pungrotte]] ([[User talk:Pungrotte|talk]]) 21:59, January 3, 2015 (UTC)Pungrotte
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I meant "Gord of Winterfell". And someone also changed Yara Greyjoys name to Liara Greyjoy, and i had to fix that too.
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[[User:Pungrotte|Pungrotte]] ([[User talk:Pungrotte|talk]]) 22:03, January 3, 2015 (UTC)​Pungrotte​
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Well, I couldn't edit over the Christmas holiday...then in late December my laptop died on me. I am using a borrowed spare at the moment which I only just managed to acquire.
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I also need to catch up on major projects at the moment. All of January until the next school semester starts up again in early February, that's "catch up time" to finally get to all of this.
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It would be a great help if you could provide me with direct links to such vandalism, I have to get major projects done first before I get to catching up on policing daily editing (since October 7th - there's quite a backlog of checking that needs doing).
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Short answer: laptop died, but I'm working on it. And with fall semester done, I now have a one month window to kick things into high gear.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 22:06, January 3, 2015 (UTC)
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== Season 5 Locations ==
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Hello. I'd like to ask that how are we going to division (is that a verb?) the locations where things happen in the upcoming season? During season 4, we divisioned them by the exact places where they happen (ala At the Dreadfort), but in previous seasons we had them divisoned by regions (in the Seven Kingdoms). So. are we going to do specific locations (Season 4) or regions (Seasons 1-3 + S04E10)? --[[User:-Gladiatus-|Gladiatus]] ([[User talk:-Gladiatus-|talk]]) 20:28, January 12, 2015 (UTC)
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Yeah, on the to-do list is that even I finally realized that making a strict division between "In the Seven Kingdoms", "At and Beyond the Wall", and "Across the Narrow Sea" doesn't make that much sense because the bulk of most storylines happens in the Seven Kingdoms.
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So new plan is to do it "At the Eyrie", "In King's Landing", etc.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 21:35, January 12, 2015 (UTC)
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Ah, ok. I was just curios because in The Children article it was different like in the pre-season 4. --[[User:-Gladiatus-|Gladiatus]] ([[User talk:-Gladiatus-|talk]]) 13:39, January 14, 2015 (UTC)
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==Fannotation Trailer==
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Hi DD,
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Just a heads up, I am going to replace the featured video on the mainpage with the new episode 2 fannotation trailer. I'm gonna put it there for now, let me know if you have any objections or concerns,
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Thank you!
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[[User:Knakveey|Knakveey]] ([[User talk:Knakveey|talk]]) 22:34, January 27, 2015 (UTC)
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== Affiliates ==
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Hi :)
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My name is John and I'm an admin on [http://mistresses.wikia.com/wiki/ Mistresses Wiki].
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I just started watching the show and upon visiting the wikia I saw the affiliates list. I was wondering if you'd be interesting in affiliating my wikia ? :)
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[[User:Zooomi|Zooomi]] 23:59, January 29, 2015 (UTC)
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:Well okay, but you need to talk to [[User:QueenBuffy]], she's the Admin in charge of Affiliation.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 01:06, January 30, 2015 (UTC)
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== Season 5 Trailer ==
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I put a Season 5 trailer vid on the main page because we needed one up...but I know it isn't the HBO one, as it hasn't been uploaded to Youtube yet. I will keep an eye out for it though, and replace it with the HBO one, when it comes available. It looks pretty amazing doesn't it?! I about had a nerdgasm when I heard the trailer put to Heroes by David Bowie!! lol I cannot wait!!!!! {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 00:33, January 31, 2015 (UTC)
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Well they put a good on on their Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152715877082734&set=vb.74133697733&type=2&theater
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Eh, we'll switch to the official GameOfThrones Youtube channel's version whenever they get around to updating it.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 00:36, January 31, 2015 (UTC)
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:Yeah, I couldn't figure out how to get the link from the FB page/vid... I think we have to wait til the Youtube version is uploaded. What do you think about it?? I am really liking the idea of Baelish and Sansa. {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 00:45, January 31, 2015 (UTC)
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==Episode 2 Mainpage Changes==
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Hello,
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This is Knakveey from Wikia's game team. I wanted to reach out to some of the active admins with a request in regards to the main page for the upcoming Telltale: GoT episode 2 that is due out soon. This is of course a request and you can decline to have any changes made, but you might find some of the suggestions helpful for the wiki.
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- Would it be possible to have the latest fannotation trailers highlighted on the mainpage slider? I know it is currently under "featured media", but it would be great to have it in the slider too.
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- What are your thoughts about adding a "Telltale" link under the "Episodes" tab in the nav bar? It would allow users to access articles in regards to the game more efficiently.
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- We thought it would be nice to add a right rail unit that highlights the most recent game episode/game character/crucial choice, etc. This would be a new unit on the page and it would be designed by our artists here. They would make something that is slick and will not deviate from the overall look of the wiki. This design will also be sent to you before proceeding so we can make sure it's something that you like and are happy with. Alternatively, what about using the existing "Featured Article" section to highlight the current episode?
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If you prefer, I can also post this on the forum/small council and repeat what I have mentioned above.
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Again, you do not need to do any of these things, but it is something we think can help improve traffic to the page and increase it's reputation for being a great database for all things Game of Thrones.
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Thanks for your time,
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[[User:Knakveey|Knakveey]] ([[User talk:Knakveey|talk]]) 22:37, February 2, 2015 (UTC)
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==Navbox colors==
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We need to get the color schemes of navboxes fixed.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 18:48, February 4, 2015 (UTC)
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:yes, I'm painfully aware.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 20:45, February 4, 2015 (UTC)
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==RE:Fanfic==
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If you don't want me to make anymore fanfic I won't anymore, you have my word. --[[User:Ghost Hunter 85|Ghost Hunter 85]] ([[User talk:Ghost Hunter 85|talk]]) 7:33, February 5, 2015 (UTC)
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== Old Ghiscari ==
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I've finally gotten started working on your request to add citations to [[Old Ghiscari]]. Sorry it's taken so long! In some cases I'm having trouble tracking down a public, official source that explicitly calls the word Ghiscari (One particularly vexing case: DJP mentions on dothraki.com that ''gadbag'' is an Astapori word, not (normally) used in HV. It's pretty manifestly of Ghiscari origin, but he never actually uses that word!) But if our purpose is merely to prove these aren't random made-up words someone threw on to the wiki, perhaps in some cases citing [http://wiki.dothraki.org the language wiki] would be sufficient? I am sometimes sloppy in citing my sources there (especially since so many are personal communications with DJP via email or IRC), but I am careful not to allow vocabulary items there unless I have seen their source. What do you think? --[[User:Mad Latinist|Mad Latinist]] ([[User talk:Mad Latinist|talk]]) 20:43, February 11, 2015 (UTC)
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:Referring to the language wiki is fine, though you might want to concentrate your efforts there first. This is "for posterity" and I'm worried about making incorrect citations which will become preserved for years (we don't have the resources to thoroughly check them all). But do what you can, it is all appreciated.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 18:30, February 12, 2015 (UTC)
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== Broken link on protected page ==
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On the table for the [[Assault on the Dreadfort]] page the link to the next event [[Court trial of Tyrion Lannister]] is broken, it instead says "Court Trial of Tyrion Lannister" and isn't working due to the word "Trial" being capitalized, it's not red but it places you in a blank page that is a candidate of deletion.-[[User:Gboy4|Gboy4]] ([[User talk:Gboy4|talk]]) 00:58, February 12, 2015 (UTC)
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==​Ellaria Sand==
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...Not sure why people​ are against looking the scene up themselves to see, but: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsgJU4nkf-U [[User:Gourgeist|Gourgeist]] ([[User talk:Gourgeist|talk]]) 22:17, February 14, 2015 (UTC)
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....There's this longer version of that scene in "Bastards of Westeros": http://youtu.be/HHXWSXgXF6k?t=2m50s
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Oh crud. That wasn't in the final edit?--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 22:23, February 14, 2015 (UTC)
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Oh that makes sense now. Apologies. [[User:Gourgeist|Gourgeist]] ([[User talk:Gourgeist|talk]]) 22:25, February 14, 2015 (UTC)
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Well yeah but you're right, it wasn't in the finished episode.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 23:26, February 14, 2015 (UTC)
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I see. I've always been confused in what counts as canon in that regard so I've never messed with it. [[User:Gourgeist|Gourgeist]] ([[User talk:Gourgeist|talk]]) 23:46, February 14, 2015 (UTC)
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== Site merge ==
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Hi, The Dragon Demands!
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As the good folks here know, we have an existing [http://ttgot.wikia.com/wiki/Telltale%27s_Game_Of_Thrones_Wiki Game of Thrones] wikia that exists solely to document content for the Telltale game. After discussing it with the lead admin over there, a tentative agreement has been reached that would result in the merging of that site into this one. I am aware that a recent vote was cast here on how to include game information, but am also aware that the existing team here has been focused almost exclusively on the television series.
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Here is the proposal - please keep in mind this is not set in stone and is certainly up for debate, as consensus needs to be reached between the two sites before anything moves forward:
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#The team over there wants to focus exclusively on the game when the sites are merged which, of course, frees the team here to focus on the television series.
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#It is preferable that the admin team over there be included in the leadership here; additionally, it would probably be nice to have the lead admin from over there be a bcrat here in order to have the "game team" represented.
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#There should be some indication on the main page and the navigation that articles on the game exist on the wikia
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#There are no plans to change the look or feel of the site here, at least in general; given that the team being merged already has a look in place for their pages, it might be best to take what they've done and tweak it so it fits with the theme of this site - this will potentially be something that would have to be sandboxed and then agreed upon, unless there's no issue (of course)
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That pretty much sums things up. I would be doing the heavy lifting of import/export in order to keep all revision histories intact as much as possible. Smaller changes have to be carried over manually, as well as images and templates. The lead admin over there would likely assist with the latter. I would also be involved in every step of the merger from beginning to end and would be on-hand to answer any questions or solve any issues that might arise.
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The obvious benefits of this include this team being able to focus solely on what their passion was in the first place, namely the television series. Another team completely related to their passion - the game - means the best of both worlds. Obviously there would be an increase in traffic here with the redirect alone; but then Telltale is planning a Fan Studio endeavor, which would bump traffic up even more (hopefully) and result in both teams of admins able to potentially benefit from any information from the gaming company... and who knows what else related to GoT they might reveal.
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Please let me know what you think at your earliest convenience!
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Best regards,
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[[User:Raylan13|<b>Raylan13</b>]]<staff/> ([[User talk:Raylan13|<font size="1">talk</font>]]) 04:27, February 18, 2015 (UTC)
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== Duncan sigil ==
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I'd never even ''seen'' this page in the prop before. Have you? [http://static1.squarespace.com/static/52fc05c9e4b08fc45bd99090/53626831e4b09cd4e2b3a7e8/5362685de4b04f774f7f2e4c/1398958313302/book-kingsguard-02-1000x563.jpg]--[[User:Ser Patrek|Ser Patrek]], [[User talk:Ser Patrek|the Paintbrush Knight]] 15:07, February 22, 2015 (UTC)
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:oh yes, one of the backlogged "Notes and Screencaps from Season 4" on my "to do" list, behind all the other stuff. School started up slowing me down.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 15:24, February 22, 2015 (UTC)
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== One season = one year ==
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I'm curious. Has it been confirmed that one season is one year, or is it just wiki thing? Because to me it seems impossible that seasons 2 and 4 lasted more than several months. --[[User:-Gladiatus-|Gladiatus]] ([[User talk:-Gladiatus-|talk]]) 19:23, February 23, 2015 (UTC)
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:I provided some examples on the Timeline page. These are things I would "discuss" with the writers if we ever contact them (haha). They don't follow their own rules very closely but do seem to at least follow it in theory. Specifically, Robert's Rebellion was "17 years ago" in Season 1, but then people start saying it was "18 years ago" in Season 2. Then in Season 3, we have Talisa remark that the War of the Five Kings began "two years" ago. So they do ''vaguely'' seem to be following this principle. It doesn't affect that much story-wise, but realistically, the child actors only age at a rate of one year.
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:My bigger concern is establishing a start date. For a long time we didn't know what the "current" year is - if Robert's Rebellion started two years earlier or later in the books. With some frustration it was eventually settled that they both started in 298 AL -- because prop letters from Season 1 have "298 AL" written on them. This ''might'' just be an oversight on their part...but it's a better solution than just shrugging our shoulders and saying we have no idea. A temporary/functional solution which has yet to be outright contradicted.
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:Check out the [[Timeline]] page for more.
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--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 19:29, February 23, 2015 (UTC)
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== qu ==
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==Chat?==
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Chat room? I have a question. {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 19:31, February 23, 2015 (UTC)
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==Histories & Lore screencaps==
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[https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLkmU44vN8WdgLgYZItDGcIZTNrxgm5NH6 This guy] uploaded the videos on 1080p, I suggest we get our caps from here to get high quality images.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 18:35, February 25, 2015 (UTC)
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He's the one I've ''been'' using, I just haven't uploaded them yet. School was Monday and Tuesday, now free to load up the rest.
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We should make a list.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 18:58, February 25, 2015 (UTC)
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== What to do ==
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I want to help, but finding it hard to jump in. Can you tell me anything that needs to be done? :) {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 02:29, February 27, 2015 (UTC)
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: We can complete the sigils of character articles using the new templates. Complete the summaries of the new histories & lore articles and make sure the screencaps are in high quality.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 02:45, February 27, 2015 (UTC)
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::Ok, sounds great. :) {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 02:56, February 27, 2015 (UTC)
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== Is it a spoiler? ==
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Hey, I'd like to know is it a spoiler if we write about Sansa going to Winterfell in Season 5 (Sansa in crypts, Arryn men going to Winterfell) in the differences from books sections? Since you know you can see it in trailers, etc. Personally I am not a fan of this thing (almost bad as no Tysha). --[[User:-Gladiatus-|Gladiatus]] ([[User talk:-Gladiatus-|talk]]) 20:11, March 9, 2015 (UTC)
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:I will handle it. It's...hard to say, really. Littlefinger says in Sansa's final chapter so far that he ''intends'' to use her as a symbol for the Valemen to retake the North from the Boltons (thus officially turning on the Lannisters), but it's based on stuff from the next, unpublished novel. So while it is a "condensation", it's a condensation including FUTURE material....so how the heck can we JUDGE it as a good or bad condensation? I'm trying to not give myself a seizure by considering "maybe this is close enough to how the next book goes".--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 20:31, March 9, 2015 (UTC)
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:Let's just hope she won't replace Jeyne. Hrr. --[[User:-Gladiatus-|Gladiatus]] ([[User talk:-Gladiatus-|talk]]) 14:39, March 10, 2015 (UTC)
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:Well my opinion is that ANYTHING revealing what happens in the new season should be classed as a spoiler. Stuff like "Gendry will appear in season 5" is absolutely a spoiler and the same thing goes for the above in my opinion. Some may not agree and it is difficult considering there is written material the tells us almost exactly what's going to happen and in the end it's not my decision but I don't feel this kind of stuff has a place on the Wiki.
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:I don't think we have to write about it straight away, no one is demanding this information immediately, once the episode airs then it's fine, again in my opinion. - [[User:Son Of Fire|Son Of Fire]] ([[User talk:Son Of Fire|talk]]) 14:48, March 10, 2015 (UTC)
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I did a preliminary writeup, please continue discussion on Talk page over there: http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Differences_between_books_and_TV_series_-_Season_5 --[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 16:37, March 10, 2015 (UTC)
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== Apologies ==
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Sorry if my comment on Tyene Sand's talk-page offended you. I have very little time for those two, and am not shy about saying so. ''"[[User:A thousand eyes, and one|How many eyes does Lord Bloodraven have?]]"'' 11:49, March 10, 2015 (UTC)
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What? It's nothing, you can voice your opinions.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 16:39, March 10, 2015 (UTC)
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==GOT Roleplay Wiki==
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Would you be interested in [http://the-game-of-thrones-roleplay.wikia.com/wiki/The_Game_of_Thrones_Roleplay_Wiki joining]? Byzantinefire 18:15, March 11, 2015 (UTC)
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:I am sorry but no: ours is a world of fact, not fan-creations. Besides I'm so buried with work on this wiki - what kind of Admin would I be if I was spending a ton of time on a roleplay?--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 19:45, March 11, 2015 (UTC)
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::Well i know plenty of admins who roleplay like Dlrgirl75 she was plenty of roleplay wiki's. Byzantinefire 20:11, March 11, 2015 (UTC)
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::It's more that we're really busy, what with Season 5 almost starting up.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 21:13, March 11, 2015 (UTC)
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:::Well that was one of the reasons for me to create one but can i still ask around? Byzantinefire 21:18, March 11, 2015 (UTC)
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:::Well there's no reason not to. I'm of the mentality that "This is going to happen anyway, best that people who know what they're doing start it so we can steer it in a mature direction". I.e. I'm a hardcore book fan but I wanted to help set up a TV show adaptation wiki, to make sure it was guided by book fans instead of people who had no idea what they were doing taking charge. If ''you'', a qualified wiki don't work on a GOT Roleplaying wiki, someone unqualified ''will''. --[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 21:23, March 11, 2015 (UTC)
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::::So a blog about the GOT roleplay wiki then? Byzantinefire 21:27, March 11, 2015 (UTC)
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What? Yeah, no problem.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 22:28, March 11, 2015 (UTC)
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== Olenna and Ellaria ==
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Where was it confirmed that Olenna and Ellaria's actors have been promoted to the main cast? I can't find any source on the wiki, yet it says they're both going to be major in the fifth season. Thanks if you can help! [[User:CoyoteDork|CoyoteDork]] ([[User talk:CoyoteDork|talk]]) 20:31, March 12, 2015 (UTC)
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...I don't know. I assume we'll get confirmation eventually.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 20:34, March 12, 2015 (UTC)
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==Brazen Beasts or Sons of the Harpy? Or both?==
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Seems that the guys with horned bronze masks were the sons of the harpy and not the brazen beasts as we originally thought.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 21:38, March 12, 2015 (UTC)
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I agree...Westeros.org put out the theory that maybe they're Sons of the Harpy who then STOLE some Brazen Beasts masks, which is ''plausible'' but...well, we'll know soon enough.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 21:45, March 12, 2015 (UTC)
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I was thinking that, because the men in the first images of masked men weren't wearing the tv!tokars.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 21:53, March 12, 2015 (UTC)
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== Flaying ==
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Roose doesn't chide Ramsay for flaying the ironborn. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VALgWnO4XY]. ''"[[User:A thousand eyes, and one|How many eyes does Lord Bloodraven have?]]"'' 17:46, March 15, 2015 (UTC)
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He really doesn't. "The Dragon Demands" must have been remembering that from ADWD, where it did happen. In the show it doesn't, though. I edited back. —[[User:ArticXiongmao|ArticXiongmao]] ([[User talk:ArticXiongmao|talk]]) 17:50, March 15, 2015 (UTC)
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No.
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Roose: "Most of the ironborn have fled the North - now more will follow, thanks to you."
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He doesn't use the specific word "flaying", but I think it's clear that he's chiding what Ramsay did (and probably more will follow on this note next season).--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 17:52, March 15, 2015 (UTC)
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: How is that "chiding"? He's clearly congratulating him for driving the Greyjoys out of the North... ''"[[User:A thousand eyes, and one|How many eyes does Lord Bloodraven have?]]"'' 17:54, March 15, 2015 (UTC)
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::He's congratulating that he got a difficult task done, ''as well as'' chiding him that the manner in which he did it will result in more Greyjoys coming, when as he said earlier in the season, he wanted to quickly make peace with the Greyjoys to focus on reining in the other Northern Houses to Bolton rule.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 18:01, March 15, 2015 (UTC)
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: What are you talking about, TDD? He was thanking him for taking Moat Cailin. He also didn't display the flayed men in the Dreadfort as he did in the books. You're mixing up the book with the show here, I'm sorry to say. Roose was only congratulatory in this scene —[[User:ArticXiongmao|ArticXiongmao]] ([[User talk:ArticXiongmao|talk]]) 17:56, March 15, 2015 (UTC)
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1 - How is "more will follow thanks to you" a compliment?
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They WANT the Ironborn to flee the North. I don't get how you don't understand this. He's saying that now most of the Ironborn have fled the North, and thanks to Ramsay's actions now the rest will follow. How can you possibly understand anything different? —[[User:ArticXiongmao|ArticXiongmao]] ([[User talk:ArticXiongmao|talk]]) 18:01, March 15, 2015 (UTC)
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: "More will follow" means ''more will leave''! Unless your implying that Roose ''wants'' the ironborn in the North, I'm not where your confusion is coming from. ''"[[User:A thousand eyes, and one|How many eyes does Lord Bloodraven have?]]"'' 18:03, March 15, 2015 (UTC)
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...Okay now I see what you're saying. You think he meant "more will follow them in fleeing".
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The key point I was focusing on is that he said "most" had already left, so he would have said "the few remaining will follow" or "the rest will follow" if he meant they were leaving, but that "more" implies that they will return in large numbers.
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...Now I'm not absolutely certain what they meant by that line.
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--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 18:04, March 15, 2015 (UTC)
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It's not confusing at all. They're closing the arc for the season. Ramsay is successful in his mission and Roose rewards him for it as he promised ("Take the Moat for the family, and I'll reconsider your position".)  —[[User:ArticXiongmao|ArticXiongmao]] ([[User talk:ArticXiongmao|talk]]) 18:08, March 15, 2015 (UTC)
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: It couldn't be clearer. The scene is positive affirmation of Ramsay's worthiness to be Roose's heir, culminating in his legitimization. ''"[[User:A thousand eyes, and one|How many eyes does Lord Bloodraven have?]]"'' 18:09, March 15, 2015 (UTC)
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: Exactly. And how does "more will follow" mean more will go back to the North? Who they will follow? The only possible sense of the word is that they will follow those who have fled. In other words, they will flee as well. —[[User:ArticXiongmao|ArticXiongmao]] ([[User talk:ArticXiongmao|talk]]) 18:10, March 15, 2015 (UTC)
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...the writers could have made that line more clear. I still think it might have meant "follow them here" (why not just say "the remainder will follow" instead of "more"?) Well, because it's vague and doesn't specifically mention flaying, yeah it may be better to omit that point for now.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 18:11, March 15, 2015 (UTC)
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You're only one I've seen who interprets it like this. It's a rewarding scene for Ramsay, not a chastising one. Listen to the commentaries, read reviews, I don't know... The point is, it's a clear-cut piece of dialogue "Most have fled —more will follow." I don't see any other reasonable way to interpret it; more of the remaining ironborn will do as most of their brethren already have and flee the North.
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I've asked Bryan Cogman, though I find th is a bit stupid. But maybe there's luck! —[[User:ArticXiongmao|ArticXiongmao]] ([[User talk:ArticXiongmao|talk]]) 18:17, March 15, 2015 (UTC)
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Well okay; make the appropriate revisions.
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when did you ask Cogman?--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 18:37, March 15, 2015 (UTC)
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==A long must watch videos and no easy link to newly uploaded images==
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We should contact wikia and tell them to reduce the amount of "must-watch videos" that show up to the right of articles.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 21:59, March 15, 2015 (UTC)
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Those can be intrusive - I saw it earlier today when the "recent changes" were pushed below the videos. However it seems fine now.
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We need more control over those given that they're on ''every page''.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 02:51, March 16, 2015 (UTC)
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== Bran and abilities chat ==
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Made another reply on my wall, please take a look.
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[[User:Kiljaedenas|Kiljaedenas]] ([[User talk:Kiljaedenas|talk]]) 20:39, March 17, 2015 (UTC)
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Hi, I saw that you had been working on the wiki for GOTand was wondering if you'd be interested in creating newsline pages for the actors. Newslines is like a "Wikipedia for news". Our writers add 50-150 word summaries of news (life events, YouTube performances, interviews, crimes etc) about celebrities, authors, companies and products. The summaries are sorted into interactive news timelines called "newslines". You can add news on any topic you like.
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Because we share 50% of advertising revenue with our contributors, someone like you could make a lot of money (possibly thousands of dollars/month) for very little time investment on your part. Have a look at the site, and let me know what you think: http://newslines.org/about/
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== "In the books" for "The Wars to Come" ==
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Since we already got a pretty complete synopsis of the premiere, I'm writing the "In the books" section, which will of course remain off the wiki until the episode airs. I just wanted to get ahead of it, because there are many details which are often only added months later, since scenes often have dialogue and events from many different chapters. For example, Cersei's scenes in this episode are taken from Cersei I (she awakes to discover that Tywin is dead), Cersei II (Tywin's wake, meeting Lancel), Cersei VI (meeting the High Sparrow for the first time) and Cersei VIII (the Maggy flashback is recounted in full first in this chapter, even if it was alluded to earlier.) So, if you're interested to see the work in progress, I'd share it here or in my page. If you want, of course. —[[User:ArticXiongmao|ArticXiongmao]] ([[User talk:ArticXiongmao|talk]]) 12:06, March 19, 2015 (UTC)
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1 - Only go in broad strokes.
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2 - Only give episode spoilers on the separate "Differences between books and TV series" page (though this is interlinked).
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3 - Obviously, we won't know the ''full'' details until the episode actually airs...--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 14:13, March 19, 2015 (UTC)
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Thank you for the guidance ;) Of course, it will be considered a work in progress until the episode is released. I'm sure many things were missed in these summaries. I've already posted it in my own account's Talk page. What do you think? —[[User:ArticXiongmao|ArticXiongmao]] ([[User talk:ArticXiongmao|talk]]) 14:34, March 19, 2015 (UTC)
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Overall good, though the Jon XI parts seem more based on the TV description than how the books did it (Jon doesn't talk to Stannis atop the Wall).--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 14:50, March 19, 2015 (UTC)
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I didn't remember that at all either, and it's not specified in the asoiaf wiki, that's how it happens. I looked it up in my e-book, and indeed that's how it is. —[[User:ArticXiongmao|ArticXiongmao]] ([[User talk:ArticXiongmao|talk]]) 14:59, March 19, 2015 (UTC)
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If you can't confirm exact details be vague, i.e. just "Jon talks to Stannis about what to do with Mance and the wildlings."--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 15:02, March 19, 2015 (UTC)
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Oh, I confirmed it, don't worry. I looked it up:
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: ''“The king would speak with you, Jon Snow.”''
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: ''Jon thrust the practice sword into the earth. “Might I be allowed to change? I am in no fit state to stand before a king.”''
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: ''“We shall await you atop the Wall,” said Melisandre. ''
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: ''[...]''
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: ''Melisandre was waiting for him at the base of the Wall. She had sent her queen’s men away. “What does His Grace want of me?” Jon asked her as they entered the cage.''
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: ''“All you have to give, Jon Snow. He is a king.”''
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: ''He shut the door and pulled the bell cord. The winch began to turn. They rose. ''
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: ''[...]''
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: ''They found Stannis Baratheon standing alone at the edge of the Wall, brooding over the field where he had won his battle, and the great green forest beyond.''
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I also didn't remember Jon having "Mance" shot so he didn't suffer, but it did happen. The only difference being that in the show Jon'll shot him himself —[[User:ArticXiongmao|ArticXiongmao]] ([[User talk:ArticXiongmao|talk]]) 15:04, March 19, 2015 (UTC)
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== Userbox ==
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Any clue as to why the Night's Watch userbox on my page has stopped displaying properly?--[[User:The White Winged Fury|The White Winged Fury]] 15:53, March 19, 2015 (UTC)
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:...that's been happening in a couple of galleries, actually. I've noticed it on the Heraldry and Costumes pages. Some days, one image will randomly stop displaying properly, but be okay again hours later. I think it might be server strain or something but I don't really know.
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:...keep an eye on it and tell us if it's still not displaying properly in a few days.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 15:55, March 19, 2015 (UTC)
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:: Okay, will do. Thanks.--[[User:The White Winged Fury|The White Winged Fury]] 16:02, March 19, 2015 (UTC)
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::: It's displaying fine now. Thanks.--[[User:The White Winged Fury|The White Winged Fury]] 14:14, March 22, 2015 (UTC)
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== laptop issues ==
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im sending this from my mobile, as my laptop has clapped out. i'm trying to get it fixed but wanted you to know that any absence on my part over the next few days/weeks is a result of this. please pass this onto our colleagues, and please bear with me. regards, patrick
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--Crud. I've been there before.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 19:28, March 19, 2015 (UTC)
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== House Martell's youngest son ==
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In ''"What is Dead May Never Die"'', Tyrion describes the as of yet unnamed Trystane as ''House'' Martell's youngest son, not ''Doran'' Martell's youngest son, as it's claimed in the "In the books" section of Trystane's page, quoting Elio Garcia.
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: ''"I'm brokering an alliance with '''House Martell''' of Dorne. Princess Myrcella will wed '''their''' youngest son when she comes of age, ensuring their loyalty and their army should we need it" ''—Tyrion Lannister to Grand Maester Pycelle.
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Why does it matter? There's a big difference. The latter implies Doran himself has other children, which he doesn't have in season five; the former simply means Tyrion will marry Myrcella to the most age-aproproiate male member of the Martell family—that is, House Martell's youngest son. Though I'm sure they weren't planning to cut both Arianne and Quentyn back in Season 2, they worded it very carefully so that, if they did, it never became a continuity issue. And it isn't, thankfully ;) —[[User:ArticXiongmao|ArticXiongmao]] ([[User talk:ArticXiongmao|talk]]) 19:26, March 19, 2015 (UTC)
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...that's just taking ''exact words'' to an extreme. The ''spirit'' of the statement was obvious.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 19:29, March 19, 2015 (UTC)
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Well, of course. That's why it isn't "technically" a continuity issue. If we're going to accuse them of a continuity mistake, we have to be factual. It was carefully worded, vaguely worded, precisely so that there couldn't be mistakes in the future. Doran's name wasn't even mentioned, let alone Trystane's. It's not just names; Tyrion doesn't even allude to the Prince of Dorne, just the House, the family, and ''their'' youngest male member, not specifically Doran's youngest son. That's a fact. It's not taking exact words to the extreme, when their ruling Prince wasn't even referenced. The "spirit" of the statement was only obvious in the meaning we though it had for book readers; but it also fits the current show canon. Fits both perfectly. —[[User:ArticXiongmao|ArticXiongmao]] ([[User talk:ArticXiongmao|talk]]) 19:31, March 19, 2015 (UTC)
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No.
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As an Administrator-level policy decision, this line was obviously referring to Doran. Even Westeros.org pointed it out.
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Drop the issue. Do not even mention it in articles. It's simply a continuity error.
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I also think it is incongruent to be instructed on the meaning of exact words by someone whose primary language isn't English (I think?)--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 19:44, March 19, 2015 (UTC)
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I'm just saying we were reading into it as book readers. Anyway, we'll see how it plays out when season five starts. English is my second language, true... so? Can you bother to explain how that sentence does NOT fit the current canon, instead of throwing ad hominems? For us book readers, the line implied otherwise, but it doesn't contradict the current canon. How is it a contunity issue? Please explain it to me. Still, don't worry, I'm not going to edit anything, that's why I asked you here instead of changing it myself, I knew you may take umbrage. —[[User:ArticXiongmao|ArticXiongmao]] ([[User talk:ArticXiongmao|talk]]) 19:49, March 19, 2015 (UTC)
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Actually the level of English comprehension in this instance is fine - the vague level of interpretation and such. I shouldn't have brought that up it is irrelevant here.
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...The writers have been intentionally vague before in Season 2, if their line "Stannis has no sons" is any indication (they made sure to word it so they could later say he has a daughter).
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...don't make mention of it unless or until we get a specific quote from the writers themselves, specifically saying "we said "youngest son" in Season 2 to be intentionally vague, because that could be interpreted as "youngest male member" of their family". --[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 19:52, March 19, 2015 (UTC)
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Gotcha. As I said, wasn't going to change anything myself, don't worry ;) —[[User:ArticXiongmao|ArticXiongmao]] ([[User talk:ArticXiongmao|talk]]) 19:54, March 19, 2015 (UTC)
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== "Jaqen" ==
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Hey Dragon, I'm curious about something. If the leaked script summary turns out to be correct, Jaqen is back, but he is only back insofar as "Jaqen" was ever there —that is, a different Faceless Man, the Kindly Man (don't know if they'll credit him or call him like that, but anyway), puting on Jaqen's face. If so... does he get his own page, or how that does work? In the books, the faces seemed to implant some memories in the user, so... if this Kindly Jaqen has memories of meeting Arya, do we simply continue writing on Jaqen's page? If he doesn't, is a new page created? What if he's not credited as anything other than Jaqen? I'm a bit confused about what would be done in this case. Have you given any thoughts to this? —[[User:ArticXiongmao|ArticXiongmao]] ([[User talk:ArticXiongmao|talk]]) 00:15, March 20, 2015 (UTC)
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...I don't think they outright implanted memories with each new face, but either way, I doubt the TV version will actually state that to confirm it.
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In which case, he's the Kindly Man - who happens to also be played by the same actor. He's not "Jaqen H'ghar". Yes he will be a separate article.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 00:19, March 20, 2015 (UTC)
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Thanks! —[[User:ArticXiongmao|ArticXiongmao]] ([[User talk:ArticXiongmao|talk]]) 00:22, March 20, 2015 (UTC)
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==Martell family tree==
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Perhaps its time to expand the tree to mention each of the Sand Snakes.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 02:43, March 24, 2015 (UTC)
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I want to, but we have not yet confirmed if TV-Tyene is Ellaria's daughter or not.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 14:04, March 24, 2015 (UTC)
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== Richard III ==
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I noticed on your userpage that you're a Medieval Historian? I've just been watching the live reburial of King Richard III. I'm not sure f you have access to any UK TV channels over there, but it was broadcast on Chanel 4; maybe you can watch it online? If you can, you definitely should. It was fascinating, as I'm sure you can imagine.--[[User:The White Winged Fury|The White Winged Fury]] 17:34, March 26, 2015 (UTC)
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:I am aware, though Richard III is practically Early Modern.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 17:43, March 26, 2015 (UTC)
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:: True, but I figured it would probably interest you.--[[User:The White Winged Fury|The White Winged Fury]] 17:45, March 26, 2015 (UTC)
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In the "characters" category on the top of the wikia, I think you should switch out Grey Worm for Daario Naharis. The reason for that is because Daario is a much more important character to Dany's storyline, and the fact that Daario will be a major character in the fifth season I just thought this would make sence. Let me know what you think.
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[[User:Sebahed|Sebahed]] ([[User talk:Sebahed|talk]]) 21:11, March 26, 2015 (UTC)
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== Change in the "characters" section ==
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In the "characters" category on the top of the wikia, I think you should switch out Grey Worm for Daario Naharis. The reason for that is because Daario is a much more important character to Dany's storyline, and the fact that Daario will be a major character in the fifth season I just thought this would make sence. Let me know what you think. Sorry for asking twice but forgot headline :/
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[[User:Sebahed|Sebahed]] ([[User talk:Sebahed|talk]]) 21:14, March 26, 2015 (UTC)
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Yeah...you see they're physically limited to only ten items in a list.
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....I think it's time to remove Jorah, he's kind of a free agent now not affiliated with the Targaryens.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 21:15, March 26, 2015 (UTC)
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== TTGOT Family Trees ==
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It's ok. Just felt like doing it really. I'm also getting around to the other houses of the TTGOT since they're not very large.[[User:JK1011x|JK1011x]] ([[User talk:JK1011x|talk]]) 00:57, March 27, 2015 (UTC)
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Yes I noticed half way through doing it so I changed it and did the same for the family trees I made. [[User:JK1011x|JK1011x]] ([[User talk:JK1011x|talk]]) 13:22, March 28, 2015 (UTC)
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== Tyene, Ellaria's daughter ==
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In a Spanish TV interview the actress for Tyene confirmed that in the show she's Oberyn's and Ellaria's daughter, if there was any doubt:
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https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=816400455081262
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The interview is dubbed-over, but she says: “I play the role of the youngest one, in the show I am Oberyn and Ellaria’s daughter.” We also get our first Dornish dialogue in this video, by the way. —[[User:ArticXiongmao|ArticXiongmao]] ([[User talk:ArticXiongmao|talk]]) 21:58, March 27, 2015 (UTC)
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.......''(long pause)''
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.....7.62 millimeter....[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FxMigHwciU full metal jacket].......
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--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 04:14, March 28, 2015 (UTC)
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== GoT hits NoLa Jazz ==
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This video has been viral for awhile, but just had to share in case you have missed it. Best cover of the theme to date! Of course, I may be partial ;) lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itn8highTRo {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 22:46, March 28, 2015 (UTC)
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It's okay, I liked that bossa nova one.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 22:53, March 28, 2015 (UTC)
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:Pfttt. Anything Nawlins' Jazz is best ;) lol {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 22:53, March 28, 2015 (UTC)
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== Laptop ==
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I've secured a temporary replacement, which is... shite. I mean actual ''garbage''. It's taken me ten minutes just to load my desktop. Fortunately my Birthday is not too far away, so I might be in luck! Is there anything I need to be caught up on?--[[User:Ser Patrek|Ser Patrek]] ([[User talk:Ser Patrek|talk]])
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== Episode Pictures ==
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The pictures for episodes S5E1, S5E2 and S5E3, are they just random pictures from that episode that are going to stay in the real one's place until the actual episode airs? Or are they the pictures we are going to use for them? I am curious and High Sparrow's picture could be better if it'd be picture of High Sparrow himself or Sparrows doing damage to wine barrels. --[[User:-Gladiatus-|Gladiatus]] ([[User talk:-Gladiatus-|talk]]) 19:51, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
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== An extra row for the characters box in the main page==
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Perhaps we could add a new row since some characters seem to will be having a bigger role:
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* Ellaria or Trystane, who seemingly will take over the Arianne Martell storyline. Extra points if Ellaria makes the opening credits.
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* Davos or Melisandre. Melisandre will have a big role.
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* Tormund: To have someone on the Free Folk Side. Plus he's part of the opening credits
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* Loras Tyrell: Tyrells will be major players now that Tywin is dead.
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--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 03:55, March 31, 2015 (UTC)
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==Game of Thrones Pop Culture References page==
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I was thinking that there could be a game of thrones pop culture references list i can name a few shows in which Game of Thrones was referenced like Bob's Burgers, The Simpsons, South Park, Parks and Recreation, Robot Chicken and Family Guy.
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[[User:Byzantinefire|Byzantinefire]] ([[User talk:Byzantinefire|talk]]) 23:10, April 1, 2015 (UTC)
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:Yes, Memory Alpha has one of those for Star Trek. I wouldn't be able to put effort into it given how backlogged I am for the Season 5 premiere, but please get started on that.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 20:23, April 2, 2015 (UTC)
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::Thank you very much. Byzantinefire 03:24, April 4, 2015 (UTC)
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== Episode 507 error ==
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It seems that the synopsis for ep. 507 is the same as ep. 506. This is clearly a mistake. Please fix this mistake ;) cuz the page is blocked for me to edit it.
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[[User:Pungrotte|Pungrotte]] ([[User talk:Pungrotte|talk]]) 14:12, April 2, 2015 (UTC)
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==Telltale's Game of Thrones Portal (of sorts)==
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Hey Dragon Demands!
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I wanted to reach out about an idea we were discussing today regarding some of the awesome Telltale Game of Thrones content that has been created so far after three released episodes. Pretty soon the show will start (FINALLY) and a lot of the game content may get loss in the shuffle. We were thinking it might be a good idea to make an article page that spotlights the game content, incorporates a good navigation into article pages for the game, and showcases some of the videos and discussion blogs that have been made as well.
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It's just an article page, but I wanted to give you a heads up and see what you thought. Maybe it's something worth linking to on the game page too. We were thinking of calling it a Super Walkthrough (like we did here - http://civilization.wikia.com/wiki/Beyond_Earth_Super_Walkthrough), although it would look significantly different.
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If you have any feedback, let me know!
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Best,
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Jorge <staff/><small>([[User:JAlbor|profile]])•([[User talk:JAlbor|talk]])</small> 22:58, April 2, 2015 (UTC)
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Yes, I'm working on it. I have a dozen or so projects to get through before the premiere - my spring break just started however, so I've got free time between now and then to check things off the "To Do" list in a flurry of work. Check back soon.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 23:00, April 2, 2015 (UTC)
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:Oh awesome! We'll mock something up on our end and create something for you to work with. That should free up your many, many duties. We'll be in touch! -- Jorge <staff/><small>([[User:JAlbor|profile]])•([[User talk:JAlbor|talk]])</small> 17:47, April 3, 2015 (UTC)
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::Here's what we got for that portal page btw! Let me know what you think - http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Telltale%27s_Game_of_Thrones_Super_Walkthrough Jorge <staff/><small>([[User:JAlbor|profile]])•([[User talk:JAlbor|talk]])</small> 22:45, April 13, 2015 (UTC)
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This looks nice, I'm at school now I'll figure out how to incorporate it tonight. --[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 19:35, April 14, 2015 (UTC)
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:: Good call on just embedding that portion of the Super Walkthrough on the mainpage. We'll add it below the videos section and change it up a bit to it links more clearly directly to the Super Walkthrough page. Thanks! Jorge <staff/><small>([[User:JAlbor|profile]])•([[User talk:JAlbor|talk]])</small> 17:30, April 20, 2015 (UTC)
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==Character Page==
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I was wondering if on the character page, if instead of having the house members go horizontally, they could go vertically. So, John Snow would stay where he is, but under would bo Sansa ect. The beside him Would be Jamie Lanister and under would be the rest ect ect. --[[User:Lorisa214|~ Lorisa! ]] ([[User talk:Lorisa214|talk]]) 22:24, April 3, 2015 (UTC)
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...which character page?--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 22:25, April 3, 2015 (UTC)
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I think she refers to the characters list on the main page.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 07:13, April 4, 2015 (UTC)
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== Nymeria, wrong link ==
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Nymeria has the wrong link the direwolf family tree. It links to the historical figure, not Arya's direwolf ;) 
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EDIT. Also, I uploaded a better pic of Shaggydog for the family tree. He's black, and in the current one the background is very dark, so you can't even see him. In this one the background is a green field, so I think it's better. I did something similar for Summer. Could you edit the family tree for this as well? —[[User:ArticXiongmao|ArticXiongmao]] ([[User talk:ArticXiongmao|talk]]) 11:57, April 4, 2015 (UTC)
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== The Jaime/Cersei sex scene analysis ==
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I think it should be a subpage of the "Breaker of Chains" article, like <nowiki>[[Breaker of Chains/Jaime-Cersei sex scene analysis]]</nowiki>--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 18:41, April 7, 2015 (UTC)
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Of course. That's what I thought would happen. But what do you think of its ''content''?--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 19:25, April 7, 2015 (UTC)
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:I think the article is okay. I find it a bit too long, but that is to be expected of a controversial matter that includes any points of view. Still I'd try to make it as simple as possible--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 19:18, April 8, 2015 (UTC)
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==Community App Post==
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Hey DragonDemands,
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I know I already thanked you for making that blog post, but I just wanted to say thanks again! It's really nice of you to share it with the community and promote it. Anyway, I know you're busy with Season 5 coming up! Thanks again!
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[[User:Knakveey|Knakveey]] ([[User talk:Knakveey|talk]]) 21:24, April 10, 2015 (UTC)
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Thank you.
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Always striving for excellence:
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1 - I think the menu could be refined a little, I'd have to make up new mobile categories ("Characters" just lists everyone from A to Z, hundreds of characters, could make a short-list category of important ones the mobile audience would be looking for).
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2 - A few things don't display properly - episode infobox displays category tags and such - not really a big concern people would ignore it. The family trees however don't display at all -- If we *drew* a family tree for each, like as an image file, could you then, I don't know, load that in place of the family tree wiki code template? I don't know if you can load things onto the mobile version that conflict with the regular version.
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3 - I can't easily access the "Recent Changes" list from the mobile app - not that I'd be editing that from a mobile phone, but it's how I check daily activity and stay vigilant for vandalism.
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We'll be refining this as we go.
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Hey, I'm thanking ''you guys''. I don't know how to build a mobile app.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 21:29, April 10, 2015 (UTC)
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I just noticed that Donnel Waynwood (played by Alisdair Simpson) who appeared in two episodes is not listed in the guest cast section on the season 4 page. The page is locked for editing.--[[Special:Contributions/188.126.201.55|188.126.201.55]] 12:03, April 11, 2015 (UTC)
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== Cast member missing from the season 4 page ==
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I just noticed that Donnel Waynwood (played by Alisdair Simpson) who appeared in two episodes is not listed in the guest cast section on the season 4 page. The page is locked for editing.--[[Special:Contributions/188.126.201.55|188.126.201.55]] 12:04, April 11, 2015 (UTC)
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== Episodes leaked ==
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Just so you know, the first few episodes have leaked. From the screeners, one assumes. They're all over the torrent sites. So we should probably prepare for a lot of people trying to add photos from it, or information from the episodes, which is based on illegitimate means of acquiring the episodes. Anyway, thought you should know. —[[User:ArticXiongmao|ArticXiongmao]] ([[User talk:ArticXiongmao|talk]]) 02:22, April 12, 2015 (UTC) 
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'''''BY THE RAGING FURY OF THE *SKY DEMON*,'' THIS AFFRONT WILL NOT GO UNANSWERED.'''--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 02:29, April 12, 2015 (UTC)
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: Dear God in heaven...--[[User:Ser Patrek|Ser Patrek]] ([[User talk:Ser Patrek|talk]]) 08:15, April 12, 2015 (UTC)
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== Kingsguard sigil ==
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Just in case this matter wasn't confusing enough already... the Kingsguard sigil that appears in the White Book and on the table carving is actually a ''third'' different version! Not sure which you want to use, but here it is anyway.--[[User:Ser Patrek|Ser Patrek]] ([[User talk:Ser Patrek|talk]]) 08:51, April 12, 2015 (UTC)
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[[File:Kingsguard-S5.png|right|250px]]
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== All cast portals ==
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Tomorrow I think I'm going to go through and work on each image in the cast portal boxes. Some are stretched, some are too small.. some have heads chopped off.. lol.. etc. So tomorrow I may get that project started for each portal. :) Tonight we had a few more people trying to add info from future eps, but we rolled back and warned. Also, I did let one user go ahead and just add which character will be in the next episode (no surprise guests, just ones you'd see like on IMDB, main cast, etc), but he only did it for next Sundays. Just wanted to let you know, so you don't freak if you see it. lol. Anyway, Ser and Gonzalo are on tonight so I am heading off. I will return tomorrow. Oh, I also moved the poll to the very top right corner.. makes it easier for readers to see and participate in :) {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 06:35, April 13, 2015 (UTC)
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Yes, I just used placeholder images.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]])
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02:48, April 16, 2015 (UTC)
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::I worked on it today. I updated most of them and rearranged some to just change it up. :) {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 02:52, April 16, 2015 (UTC)
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== Leaked episodes ==
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I'd suggest we make some sort of public announcement, declaring a complete zero-tolerance policy for those adding information/images from the leaked episodes: Instant blocks. No warnings.--[[User:Ser Patrek|Ser Patrek]] ([[User talk:Ser Patrek|talk]]) 15:23, April 13, 2015 (UTC)
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...That would only publicize that the leaks even exist. I mean that's like putting up a sign saying "DO NOT attempt to resurrect your dead loved ones by burying them in Stephen King's Pet Semetary". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oqu0ogtqlQs
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I made it a point not to watch them.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 15:53, April 13, 2015 (UTC)
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::I suggest we DO start protecting pages that get overly vandalized though. I went ahead and protected Greyworms, for only members to edit. {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 17:24, April 13, 2015 (UTC)
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Wait, I realized: let's make generic warnings about "don't post spoilers for episodes that haven't aired yet" - without specifying "some of these already leaked onto torrent sites", and lock down the important pages too. Just a generic warning about "Spoilers" that should help.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 19:24, April 14, 2015 (UTC)
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==Maps==
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Hi DragonDemands,
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It's been awhile since we talked about maps. Unfortunately, our product team has taken a break from working on the maps product for now. Like you said... there is no way to do rollback edits. You can view edits on the map and which user made them via Special:Logs and by selecting "Maps" in the tab.
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Is there any reason why you need a Wikia staff to upload the maps? It's a fairly easy process and the tutorial can be found here; http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Help:Wikia_Maps
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The above tutorial will go over which image sizes/types are best, as well as how to connect map markers to articles.
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Please let me know if you need any additional information or help,
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[[User:Knakveey|Knakveey]] ([[User talk:Knakveey|talk]]) 23:23, April 13, 2015 (UTC)
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In that case it might be helpful to remove the "Maps" link from the top nav bar so people don't get confused with a preliminary setup.
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As for Filming locations, I'll try to make a map by hand using other means.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 19:22, April 14, 2015 (UTC)
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== Daario and Dany's relationship ==
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Do you think that Daario and Dany should now be classified as lovers or paramours at this point? Considering what we saw in episode 501, and we know that there will be at least one more "bed scene" between them that we saw in trailer 2 for season five were Dany says; "I am a Queen, not a butcher" and Daario replies "All rulers are either butchers or meat". Well my initial question was that if you think it would be propper to add Daario to Dany's "family section" as a paramour/lover just like Ellaria Sand is listed as Oberyn's paramour or as Ygritte is listed as Jon Snow's lover. What do you think?--[[User:Pungrotte|Pungrotte]] ([[User talk:Pungrotte|talk]]) 23:49, April 13, 2015 (UTC)
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...I'm going to go with "military advisor/lover".
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Might say "paramour" but I think people would mistake it for a specifically Dornish term.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 01:00, April 14, 2015 (UTC)
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:Per the Ygritte/Loras example he should be added. Yet, I think betrothals (Brandon-Catelyn or Myrcella-Trystane) should be removed.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 01:39, April 14, 2015 (UTC)
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Well I think add him in somehow.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 19:21, April 14, 2015 (UTC)
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== Night's Watch mutineers/betrayers ==
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Why is the page about the night's watch mutineers titled "The Betrayers"? They are only referred to as the mutineers in the show.--[[User:Sebahed|Sebahed]] ([[User talk:Sebahed|talk]]) 22:49, April 14, 2015 (UTC)
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:It's a descriptive term. You're taking this too specifically. --[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 22:52, April 14, 2015 (UTC)
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== A "Relationships" section! Just a crazy idea from the top of my mind :P ==
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Just and idea but: I think it would be cool if someone added a "Relationships" section to the character pages simular to The Walking Dead Wikia: http://walkingdead.wikia.com/wiki/Rick_Grimes_(TV_Series) (if you scroll down to almost the bottom). Considering Game of Thrones has so unbelievably many characters, this could take an extremely long amount of time but I think this is a very cool and smart idea considering there are so many character interactions in this show. And ofcourse when I say "Relationships" I don't neccesarily mean only romantic relationships. Let me know what you think of this idea! :-) --[[User:Sebahed|Sebahed]] ([[User talk:Sebahed|talk]]) 22:37, April 17, 2015 (UTC)
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There are so many characters that to make a relationships sections for say, Catelyn Stark, would increase the size of each article drastically, so I'd rather not.
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Such "relationships" or "personality" information usually goes in the "backgrounds" section.
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That said, we did make some attempts to make "romantic relationship" sub-articles in their own right, but we got backlogged. I don't know if you'd like to try those out.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 23:00, April 17, 2015 (UTC)
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== Robin ==
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I have protected his page.. just wanted to let you know. {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 18:46, April 18, 2015 (UTC)
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== The Jaime/Cersei sex scene article ==
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I think the article is perfect as it is... All there is to do is to make it a subpage of the "Breaker of Chains" article.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 19:21, April 18, 2015 (UTC)
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:Agreed. Looks good. Maybe add some more pictures of the scene, to make it look more like an article and not blog. {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 19:31, April 18, 2015 (UTC)
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::I have a whole gallery of the scene in there.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 19:36, April 18, 2015 (UTC)
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:::Perhaps a couple of screenshots of writers or Alex Graves or GRRM or Benioff or Weiss being interviewed.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 19:52, April 18, 2015 (UTC)
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Oh, yes, that would help break up the wall of text.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 19:56, April 18, 2015 (UTC)
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== Fairuse template ==
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I updated the Fairuse template. It can be seen [http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Fairuse Here]. {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 20:18, April 18, 2015 (UTC)
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== Affiliate Wikis ==
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Hello! This is [[w:c:ouat:User:Killian Jones|Killian Jones]], from the [[w:c:ouat|Once Upon a Time Wiki]]. I was wondering why you are no longer displaying the affiliated wikis' wordmarks on your homepage. The OUaT wiki is still displaying your wordmark, so I think it is only fitting that you do the same thing. Anyway, please let me know if you intend on brining the affiliates section back, or if instead I'd rather remove the Game of Thrones Wiki wordmark from our affiliates section. Thank you for your time! [[User:Killian Jones|<b style="text-shadow: white 0 0 5px;color:#00A7D6;letter-spacing:6px;">KILLIAN</b>]] [[User talk:Killian Jones|<b style="text-shadow: white 0 0 5px;color:#0098c2;letter-spacing:6px;">JONES</b>]]<b style="text-shadow: white 0 0 5px;color:#0098c2;"> ~</b><b> I hate </b><b style="text-shadow: white 0 0 5px;color:#0098c2;">you</b><b>, flying </b><b style="text-shadow: white 0 0 5px;color:#0098c2;">jellyfish</b>! 02:43, April 19, 2015 (UTC)
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...we redesigned our homepage a few weeks ago. You should ask [[User:QueenBuffy]], she handles the Affiliates stuff.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 02:45, April 19, 2015 (UTC)
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== Leaked Episodes ==
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Hello Dragon! I'm sure you are aware that the first episodes of season 5 were leaked, is it okay to write the informations from them into the wiki? Or shall we wait till the official release? --[[User:Exodianecross|Exodianecross]] ([[User talk:Exodianecross|talk]]) 21:39, April 19, 2015 (UTC)
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It is ''forbidden'' to post any spoiler information from episodes which have not aired. Do not say anything about them.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 21:45, April 19, 2015 (UTC)
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:The problem is, they were aired, but not legal it seems! I've watched them, but if you demand it, I won't write informations from them in the articles! --[[User:Exodianecross|Exodianecross]] ([[User talk:Exodianecross|talk]]) 22:34, April 19, 2015 (UTC)
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== On Being an Admin ==
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Greetings Ser,
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I'm honored to have been asked to be an Administrator, but I'm currently very busy in life, and as such wouldn't be able to contribute as much as an Administrator should...this inactiveness would undoubtedly provoke the wrath of the [http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/User:The_Dragon_Demands Dragon] . Although I have to decline to be an Administrator at this time, I'd like to thank you for asking.
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[[User:Iron Bank|Iron Bank]] ([[User talk:Iron Bank|talk]]) 22:30, April 19, 2015 (UTC)
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==Regarding Barristan==
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After seeing so many people claim he dies in the leaked episode 4 and adding his death on thsi wiki, I gave in and went and watched that one scene... no, he doesn't. He just passes out. '''[[User:Draevan13|<span style=color:red>DRAEVAN13</span>]]'''
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[[Category:User Signature Templates]] 01:01, April 20, 2015 (UTC)
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:You know how I keep saying that the smallfolk are idiots?--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 01:03, April 20, 2015 (UTC)
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:Well, he ''is'' stabbed three or four times, but he's certainly not confirmed dead yet. Neither is Grey Worm, for that matter. —[[User:ArticXiongmao|ArticXiongmao]] ([[User talk:ArticXiongmao|talk]]) 01:07, April 20, 2015 (UTC)
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::''(scoff)'' Barristan had worse at the Battle of the Trident. You think some letter-opener is going to take him out?--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 01:09, April 20, 2015 (UTC)
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::::I thought they'd meant something conclusive, like decapitation or being incinerated/eaten by Drogon, but a few slashes on the leg and a stab on the shoulder is all we get. He might be dead, you never know, but I highly doubt it. '''[[User:Draevan13|<span style=color:red>DRAEVAN13]]'''
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[[Category:User Signature Templates]] 01:11, April 20, 2015 (UTC)
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Half of me thinks they're going to fake his death.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 01:15, May 7, 2015 (UTC)
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== The Kindly Man is the Old Man ==
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According to the The Watchers on the Wall tumblr, the Kindly Man in the form of the black old man played by Cedric Henderson is credited in the promotional material as "The Old Man."[[User:ArticXiongmao|ArticXiongmao]] ([[User talk:ArticXiongmao|talk]]) 03:12, April 20, 2015 (UTC)
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==Jaqen H'ghar in Season 5?==
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Please go the [[Talk:Jaqen H'ghar|article's talk page]] and discuss.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 20:14, April 20, 2015 (UTC)
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==Thank you writers (again)==
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From the same creators of "Myrcella will wed the YOUNGEST Martell son" followed by "only Trystane" now we have, "Falyse will inherit Stokeworth when her FATHER dies" followed by "MOTHER Stokeworth". So, do we save face and imagine the Lord Stokeworth mentioned by Tyrion died and passed on Stokeworth to his wife Lady Tanda?--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 20:28, April 20, 2015 (UTC)
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I assumed that Bronn was just making an assumption. It didn't even ocurr to me that it was a continuity issue. —[[User:ArticXiongmao|ArticXiongmao]] ([[User talk:ArticXiongmao|talk]]) 20:32, April 20, 2015 (UTC)
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:.Actually, its Tyrion the one who mentions Falyse's father.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 21:16, April 20, 2015 (UTC)
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Let's discuss this on the House Stokeworth Talk page, but I don't see it as that big of a problem: why invent a difference, when we can just leave a note saying we assume that Tyrion either misspoke (more focused on other problems) or doesn't know the Stokeworths very well in the TV version, and ''assumed'' her father was still alive?--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 21:56, April 20, 2015 (UTC)
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== High Sparrow Image ==
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The picture for episode 3, is it just a placeholder/stand-in picture, or will we keep it as the picture to represent the episode. Or will we change it to a picture of the actual High Sparrow? --[[User:-Gladiatus-|Gladiatus]] ([[User talk:-Gladiatus-|talk]]) 17:56, April 22, 2015 (UTC)
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:Until the episode airs it's just a placeholder.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 22:58, April 22, 2015 (UTC)
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== User Alcasinoroyale ==
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Keep an eye on [http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/User:Alcasinoroyale Alcasinoroyale], as I noticed you nearly banned him before, and I have given him his 2nd warning on our image policy. I'm about to log out for the night, and he never replied, and hasn't fixed the images he uploaded. Thanks! {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 04:28, April 25, 2015 (UTC)
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==Significantly changed characters==
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Now we should include several characters: Jaime, Ellaria, Trystane, Tyene--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 23:32, April 25, 2015 (UTC)
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...I don't know about Jaime. I made the list on an ad hoc basis for "cited quotes from Martin saying this isn't even loosely "in the spirit" of what that character would do in the novels. Sansa's storyline will also be a major issue.
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...Ellaria at least, she's not acting like how book-Ellaria would in the same situation. Crud. I knew this day would come.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 23:35, April 25, 2015 (UTC)
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:::I included Jaime because this version isn't drawing away from Cersei. And besides, book Jaime wants Cersei to announce they are together and use the Targaryen precedent--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 00:01, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
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== House Mormont ==
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Hello Dragon! It's necessary to include Lyanna Mormont, Maege's daughter in the familytree of House Mormont. She exists in the TV series like in the bookseries, responded to Stannis' call that they won't recognize him, only a Stark! --[[User:Exodianecross|Exodianecross]] ([[User talk:Exodianecross|talk]]) 23:53, April 25, 2015 (UTC)
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:I know I'm getting to it in a few minutes, I was updating the front page design first.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 23:57, April 25, 2015 (UTC)
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== New front page design ==
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Just wanted to let you know one of the banners is too long.. at least, on my end. Here is a screencap- [http://i.imgur.com/tRN6t5T.jpg here]. Actually I just realized the Featured Media banner and the one under it are too long as well. {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 19:10, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
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Damn it - I don't know how to make them as a proportion, just as a set size. At least I can ere on the side of caution and make them smaller. Need to figure that out.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 19:27, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
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::You can't just cut off the ends of the box/banners? {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 19:34, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
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::Its the same on my screen.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 19:35, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
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Wait, yeah, I resize the box and not the image - what does it look like now?--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 19:37, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
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::the Media banner and the Contributing banner are still too long. The wiki banner is fixed, but shorter. I mean, it looks ok, but if you wanted it the exact same length, just make it the same length as all the "noble houses" banner, and those other ones below the cast portal. Those are the perfect length. {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 21:45, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
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Wait, I've got it: I was setting the width based on pixel size "px", but you're supposed to set it to a percentage: "width:100%", so it shows up the same on any display. That's the answer.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 22:19, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
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:Looks good. Don't forget the "Contributing" banner too. Its still too long. {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 22:47, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
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==Main page sliding panel==
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I have begun a little discussion at [[User_talk:QueenBuffy#Main_Page_sliding_panel|QueenBuffy's]] talk page over the main page sliding panel. We need your opinion on it.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 19:45, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
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==House Stokeworth family tree==
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Are you up for updating it? Adding Lady Tanda Stokeworth and changing Bronn for Ser Wylis Bracken?--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 20:50, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
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The family trees are what I'm up to next, yeah.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 20:56, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
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Alysanne and Jaehaerys I aren't in the TV show that much.
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Pick a character from the most recent episode, go to their character page (Sansa, Littlefinger, Varys, whoever), and type up a basic two paragraph description of what they did in the last episode.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 03:44, April 30, 2015 (UTC)
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== Season 5 credits template ==
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I was only wondering if there is a season 5 credits template avaiable, cuz I can't find it. I am talking about the template that is on the actors' pages, not the characters'.--[[User:Sebahed|Sebahed]] ([[User talk:Sebahed|talk]]) 23:47, May 1, 2015 (UTC)
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== Major characters = Main characters ==
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I personally think that the characters played the starring cast members should be reffered to as "Main characters" instead of "Major characters" as this would fit better along with "Recurring characters", because recurring and main/starring are the two cast member statuses that are. Example: '''Eddard Stark''', also known by his friends and family as '''Ned''', is a main character in the first season. 
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Excluding "Guest characters", which also should be a catergory of its own maybe. Let me know what you think.--[[User:Sebahed|Sebahed]] ([[User talk:Sebahed|talk]]) 19:50, May 2, 2015 (UTC)
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You weren't here when we had a talk about this:
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While we tried to impose subjective standards of "major character" for a time (Loras or Olenna are important but technically weren't "starring" in Season 3) this led to endless bickering about who was "major" or "recurring".
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So right before Season 5 began, the new plan was to abandon this entirely, and just stick to "starring cast" (billed as starring cast), "recurring" (appear in more than one episode), or just "character"/Guest character.
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The bickering and debate over who was major or not was a drain on finite resources of writing-time.
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The problem is that we got really busy with working on Season 5 episode info - reclassifying characters is simply a lower priority than making a page for "Lollys Stokeworth".
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Anyone is free to relabel the pages according to this basic "starring character/recurring character/character" scheme, but I am too busy with major projects to work on it myself.
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...or maybe it was "Loras Tyrell is a character played by recurring cast member..." -- with the adjective describing the status of the actor, not the writer.
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We'll tinker around with this, but please ask around.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 20:09, May 2, 2015 (UTC)
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All I was saying was that we change were it says "major" character to "main" character, do I have the permission to do this myself, or will it simply just be removed afterwards?--[[User:Sebahed|Sebahed]] ([[User talk:Sebahed|talk]]) 21:52, May 2, 2015 (UTC)
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It would be a great help if you could apply the new more objective scheme, which is to say "Eddard Stark is a character played by starring cast member Sean Bean"
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No longer using major/minor description for characters, and sorting them by actor based on "starring", "recurring" or just "actor" (for one shot guest actors). I think we'd use "guest actor" for someone really important who only appeared once, but otherwise don't worry about that.
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So yes please help change this, but the format is no longer "major" ''or'' "main" character, but "starring actor", "recurring actor", etc.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 22:10, May 2, 2015 (UTC)
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I have managed to change the "major" characters to "main" characters, which in opinion, sounds and feels much better. I was not able to make this change to Pages: Sandor Clegane and Catelyn Stark, due to their pages being blocked for some reason. I would also need help to change the page: "Major characters" to "Main characters", this i cannot do because I was not the one who created the page. --[[User:Sebahed|Sebahed]] ([[User talk:Sebahed|talk]]) 11:36, May 4, 2015 (UTC)
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'''No, I told you ''not'' to add the descriptions "main" character. There ''are'' no "main" characters its an ensemble cast.'''
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I said to rank them based on actor Starring, recurring, or guest status. Revert these changes you have made.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 15:01, May 4, 2015 (UTC)
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== People violating image policy ==
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I'm about to lose it on these people. One warning is all they get, if they continue to upload without using the correct image policy, or even attempting to ask how.. I am blocking them for 1 week. It's too busy around here, for us to have to go back and properly fix every image. {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 15:22, May 4, 2015 (UTC)
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==Sand Snake in Sons of the Harpy==
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Been trying to figure out what snake was by Jaime's head. I'm nearing the conclusion it is a Red Milk Snake, seen [http://thies-times.com/serpentryan/lifelist/Snakes/RedMilkSnake03.jpg here]. Here is the image with Jaime... [[File:Jaime_snake.png|right|80px]]. If this IS a milk snake, it is actually a non-venomous snake. {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 16:22, May 4, 2015 (UTC)
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Herpetology is not my forte. --[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 16:37, May 4, 2015 (UTC)
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:Dang it. lol I wish me and my ex were on speaking terms. He was a snake wrangler for the movies. haha {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 16:38, May 4, 2015 (UTC)
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::Well just because we've got an Alaskan Malatut playing a Direwolf, I mean it's it's ''meant'' to be a direwolf.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 16:42, May 4, 2015 (UTC)
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:::<i>Good</i> point!! I think I read where the red milk snake is found in the USA...so that is why I am just confused about this. Although, the props dept. could have just used it as a guide when creating the prop snake. {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 16:45, May 4, 2015 (UTC)
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== Daenerys's or Daenerys'? ==
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What correct spelling? Daenerys's dragons or Daenerys' dragons? I recently had an argument with another editor, who claimed it is pronounced "Daenerys's" not "Daenerys'" which I thought it was. What do you think?--[[User:Sebahed|Sebahed]] ([[User talk:Sebahed|talk]]) 23:24, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
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Officially, a singular name that happens to end in "S" will ''also'' gain an extra possessive "S" at the end: "Daenerys's", "Stannis's", etc. It's just such a common mistake that we can't catch it every time, though you should fix it when you encounter it.
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People confuse this with how ''plural'' nouns do not need to gain a possessive "S" -- "Jaime Lanister's hand" but "The Lannisters' gold". "Lannisters's" doesn't exist.
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"Daenerys" and "Stannis", however, are not plural nouns - they just happen to end in "S". They ''do'' gain a possessive "S": "Daenerys's" and "Stannis's".
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Part of the fault is mine - I really...only confirmed this by late Season 3 or so, and before that, when we wrote a lot of stuff, I was actively using it the other way around. I only got corrected about how to actually do it about two years into writing on here. Ack.
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Yes you would pronounce this posesssive, pronounced as it is spelled; "Stannis" = "Stan-iss", but "Stannis's" = "Stani-iss-ez"--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 01:14, May 7, 2015 (UTC)
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==Re: Audio clips==
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Sure, I'll avoid uploading audio in the future. Should I add the transcript to the file description or Domeric's page? Or both? <span>[[User:Corkeyandpals|Corkeyandpals]] <sup>([[User_talk:Corkeyandpals|talk]])</sup></span> 01:20, May 7, 2015 (UTC)
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:Add it as a really long quote at the top of the page..--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 01:29, May 7, 2015 (UTC)
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== Regarding assassins ==
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If Daario isn't an assassin then Mandon Moore sure as hell is not either. Daario infiltrated Dany's camp unseen and could have killed her, but chose not to. Mandon Moore was just a Kingsguard that was ordered by Joffrey to kill Tyrion, not assassinate him. I think that Ser Mandon Moore should be removed from the category of "Assassins", if you disagree let me know why.--[[User:Sebahed|Sebahed]] ([[User talk:Sebahed|talk]]) 19:11, May 7, 2015 (UTC)
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...wait...now I'm not sure. Have to ask one of the other Admins if it was for "professional" Assassins. You know what, just add Daario back to the category now given that Mandon Moore is in it, and I'll play with it later...--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 19:18, May 7, 2015 (UTC)
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== "The Gift (episode)" link is wrong! ==
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Just wanted to let you know that if you press the link "The Gift" on the appearances template you are redirected to the location titled the gift not to the episode, at least this happened to me when pressing the links on Jon Snow's and Sansa's pages. I don't know how to fix this.--[[User:Sebahed|Sebahed]] ([[User talk:Sebahed|talk]]) 15:59, May 10, 2015 (UTC)
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==Kill the Boy==
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Hey, was wondering if you could unlock the Kill the Boy episode page so I could add in the cast.
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Thanks in advance.
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--[[User:Devinthe66|Devinthe66]] ([[User talk:Devinthe66|talk]]) 02:36, May 11, 2015 (UTC)
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: After seeing last night's episode and Jorah getting infected with Grayscale... it's looking more and more like the Griffs have been cut from the show :/ '''[[User:Draevan13|<span style=color:red>DRAEVAN13</span>]]'''
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[[Category:User Signature Templates]] 16:21, May 11, 2015 (UTC)
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Yes...but who knows what they're doing in Season 6 after they double-back; this season was crunch time, now it's shifted to "but HBO wants 10 seasons!" ....yeah, we'll see Arianne and the Greyjoys before the Griffs. So it goes.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 16:34, May 11, 2015 (UTC)
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:Still trying to understand why Cogman (COGMAN!) of all people would name a frikkin Ghiscari "Eaton" and not Jonaz mo/zo Doenaq.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 18:54, May 11, 2015 (UTC)
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:Because Master Eaton was eaten. I believe the character's name was written for that purpose, just for fun, even though it's kind of stupid in my opinion.--[[User:Sebahed|Sebahed]] ([[User talk:Sebahed|talk]]) 19:29, May 11, 2015 (UTC)
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==Significantly changed characters navbox==
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With the truckload of book changes we'll have to place this navbox in half the wiki. It has served its purpose but with all the changes (Ellaria the wahawk, Tyene the nice Sand Snake, Tommen the horndog, Loras the arrested gay stereotype, the whoremongering High Septon, Mossador, Barristan's death, Grey Worm's angst upgrade, Missandei's age lift, Mossador) I vote for its removal.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 19:07, May 11, 2015 (UTC)
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== Character change in the Castportal template. ==
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I think some of the characters in the castportal template should be switched out because some of them aren't even "major" characters such as: Loras, Shireen, Mycella, Sand Snakes and Doran. Quite frankly this kinda enoys me a bit, because there are so many other "major" characters that isn't  present on this list, characters like: Bronn, Davos, Daario, Jaqen, Missandei, Jorah, Gilly and probably a couple more that im forgetting. A specially with this season having added a lot more series regulars (main cast members) like Daario, Missandei and Jaqen, who will all three have big spotlights on them in season 5. I personally think that this change should be made because characters like Shireen don't even compare in importance compared to lets say Davos or Jorah. I think that the castportal template should only feature the main/major characters of the season we are currently in. I also think that the order should be changed, either in the order in which they are credited or in alfabetical order, though this change isn't as important. If you disagree, please let me know why!--[[User:Sebahed|Sebahed]] ([[User talk:Sebahed|talk]]) 19:43, May 11, 2015 (UTC)
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Doran is the faction leader of House Martell, and a major new casting this season. The Sand Snakes are also important this season - and it lets us link to three characters for the cost of one box.
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No, Jaqen is not big enough of a character to appear in the top 25 or so that we put on the front page.
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As I have already explained on the Talk for the front page, the problem is to make links to characters who are "POV access points" for separate narrative threads. Davos isn't in because he overlaps too much with Stannis.
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For the same reason we had to put Tormund in to give some reference point to the Free Folk.
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Bronn overlapped with Tyrion, then with Jaime. Missandei would also be great on the front page but she overlaps so much with Daenerys.
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Loras ''is'' a major character - albeit the writers keep pushing off his storyarcs.
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Shireen was fairly important the past few episodes - Myrcella is going to get a big introduction next episode.
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It's a god-damned game of musical chairs. Can't fit any more boxes in without being confusing. Jorah and Missandei are important and I wish we could fit them in...given that Melisandre is going WITH Stannis in the TV series (she stays at Castle Black and has a separate storyline in the novel)
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...so...also we might not see Varys again until next season, though he is a major player.
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I thought Ellaria was redundant with the Sand Snakes.
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Tell you what, I'll swap out Ellaria for Missandei, and Melisandre for Jorah. I'm also inclined to swap out Tormund for Bronn - given that Tormund appears ''alongside'' Jon all the time....I'll bring this up on the main talk page.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 21:51, May 11, 2015 (UTC)
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It would be far too much work for you at this point anyway, but had you put any thought into the idea of putting characters by location on the main page? Like "Characters in Dorne" then list Doran, Sansnakes, Ellaria etc.
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Again way too much work when the show is going on, and might not work visually anyway, just an idea I thought I'd throw at you. - [[User:Son Of Fire|Son Of Fire]] ([[User talk:Son Of Fire|talk]]) 02:18, May 13, 2015 (UTC)
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::...I'm worried that might lead to spoilers and stuff. They usually don't move around ''that'' much one episode to the next....however, if you look on the front page, the "Locations" dropdown menu is designed around "major places characters have actually visited" - Sunspear, Braavos, Volantis, Meereen, King's Landing, etc. - plus two or three that while not seen are so prominently mentioned it made sense to include them (Highgarden and Storm's End).--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 03:50, May 13, 2015 (UTC)
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== Daario image category not present ==
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Why is [[:Category:Image (Daario Naharis)]] not present at the list on this page: [[:Category:Image (Character)]]  ???--[[User:Sebahed|Sebahed]] ([[User talk:Sebahed|talk]]) 23:52, May 12, 2015 (UTC)
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==A question for Cogman==
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We have a twitter account, right? Perhaps we could use it to ask Cogman about "Eaton".--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 20:49, May 13, 2015 (UTC)
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:Hell, I've been trying to ask Cogman about bigger stuff than that, and we still get no response. Just last week I tweeted to him "Who is the Kingsguard in episode 5.4?" yet received no response.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 20:52, May 13, 2015 (UTC)
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== Birthday Girl ==
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Guess who had a big 3.6. Birthday today... THIS GIRL, that's who! lol ;) {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 04:44, May 15, 2015 (UTC)
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== Sorry :/ ==
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<span style="font-size:12.3500003814697px;line-height:21px;">Hey Dragon Demands! Hey bro I wanted to apologize for my behavior. I truly do not rmember what I did, I just remembered I put some stupid shit on the forum and my IP got banned. I was stupid back then and I deserved it. Now, I have finished the books and I'm a HUGE fan of both the books and the show. I even run an Instagram account called '[http://instagram.com/gameoffacts gameoffacts] ' which I have over 45 THOUSAND followers which makes me one of the top 10 game of thrones insta accounts with most followers. (if you want proof, comment something on my pic like "I'm Dragon Demands from the GoT wiki", and I'll respond to you confirming this is me). I always check the Game of Thrones news every day, look at the new stills of episodes and I would really love to be able to edit the forum again :/ I'm currently using my iPhone's hotspot because I couldn't even leave messages on profiles because my IP  is blocked. With this account I'm using (eugeniodiaz30), I've edited and added lots of wiki's and have truly helped the wikia. I would like to ask if I could maybe, just maybe be unbanned so I can easily add and edit the forum's again. I promise I won't ever do what I did before. I've matured and GoT is part of my daily life now (I post like 3 pictures per day in my insta).</span>
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'''<span style="font-size:12.3500003814697px;line-height:21px;">Here's my ban:</span>'''
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<span style="font-size:13px;line-height:21px;">The block was made by</span><span style="font-size:13px;line-height:21px;"> </span>[http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/User:The_Dragon_Demands The Dragon Demands]<span style="font-size:13px;line-height:21px;">.</span>
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*Reason given: gross incompetence
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*Start of block: 22:53, March 18, 2015
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*Expiry of block: infinite
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*Intended blockee: 189.212.125.173
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*Block ID: #2061
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*Current IP address: 189.212.125.173
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<span style="font-size:12.3500003814697px;line-height:21px;">Thank you so very much for this. It would be amazing if I could come back to this amazing community again and continue helping. Thanks for your time.</span>
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::Wait, you are a blocked user, who ignored the block and returned anyway?! That isn't how this works. You've returned regardless of the fact you've been blocked, and now you have ignored my image warning, and continued to upload images anyway. What was your user name? Also, please sign messages here. {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 15:23, May 15, 2015 (UTC)
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::It's not my username that is blocked, it's my IP adress. And sorry I didn't see your image warning. I won't continue doing it. And sorry I came back even though I got blocked, I just really wanted to come back :/ and how does it work with the sign messages here? I don't understand the user talk pages :P
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It seems that I banned your IP address because you had no idea how image files work in Wikis; you don't make a direct URL link, you add the name of a file uploaded to the wiki. This was apparently done in a quick purge of random IP address clutter that day.
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Not really worth banning your named profile over now - but why didn't you simply create a new, named profile...''and not tell me about it''? How would I even know it was you? Think this through.
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Your instagram is mostly just repeating stuff from the wiki notes.
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Doesn't really matter. Well, you can keep editing, but please make sure to figure out how wiki links and such work when you add stuff, so you don't make more work for the rest of us.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 22:37, May 15, 2015 (UTC)
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'''I know bro, but I understand perfectly now, and I want to fix my pictures but for some reason I'm still banned and still can't edit :/ I've been seeing some tutorial videos on youtube of wikia so I now know really good how to use it. And I swear that I rarely take stuff from the wiki notes.'''
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'''Thank you so much and I'm sorry for what previously happened :/'''
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==Game code giveaway==
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Hi DragonDemands,
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I posted this message earlier this week on QueenBuffy's wall but she has yet to get back to me. We had some ideas about how we could give away game codes to the telltale game. Of course, if you don't like any of them then we won't proceed.
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(a) Us adding a "pencil unit" calling out the latest "The List" blog post and the giveaway that's part of it on relevant pages: TT GOT overview page (http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Game_of_Thrones:_A_Telltale_Games_Series), TT GOT hub (http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Telltale%27s_Game_of_Thrones_Super_Walkthrough), the latest episode article page (for example, http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Sons_of_the_Harpy_(episode)). I can send you a screenshot of what it would look like on an article page
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(b) Running a giveaway blog post (requirements to enter: log in, then leave a comment with your favorite GOT character) and then featuring that giveaway in the first slot of the main page slider for a few days?
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(c) Lastly, would you mind if we updated the text of the community message itself when you change the Featured Programs section (so instead of sending the generic notice "Community Message has been Updated" it updates with context and a link)?
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Let me know if your thoughts and concerns and please pass this on to any other admins you feel it should go to.
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[[User:Knakveey|Knakveey]] ([[User talk:Knakveey|talk]]) 21:12, May 15, 2015 (UTC)
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A - ...wait, what do you mean by "pencil unit"? I don't understand. Please post a screenshot of what this would look like.
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B - Oh yeah, giveaways are great. Yes put that in the first slider (though we only have four so I guess move game content from the fourth slot to the first for that giveaway)?
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C - Yes I will update the Community Message now. Yes you can update that with Game announcements so long as you don't delete other stuff.
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QueenBuffy doesn't have HBO access for the second half of Season 5 so she's going to take some time working around that.
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As for me, I'm right in the middle of the last week of finals essay writing so I'm very busy IRL.
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On top of this...I'm going to a conference in Europe for a week and will miss episode 7. You see, I had assumed that the show was going to take a week off over Memorial Day weekend - they did ''last year'' and the ratings were actually better for it - everyone is traveling or on vacation on Memorial Day Weekend.
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But no, it turns out they're suddenly ''not'' taking a break over Memorial Day Weekend, but I had already planned to be in Europe for about 10 days.
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The good news is that once I ''return'', my school work is finished, so I will be able to focus much more on the wiki during the last three episodes (leading up to the big focus on the finale), more time than I've been able to be on here in the past month or so.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 00:04, May 16, 2015 (UTC)
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Hi TDD,
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Thanks for getting back to me.
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I do recall them skipping a week last year and assumed it would have happened again. Thanks for the heads up. I hope your conference in Europe is enjoyable :)
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In regards to the pencil ad, here are some examples:
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[http://knakveey.wikia.com/wiki/File:Skylanders_Pencil_650x98_R1.jpg Standalone image]
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[http://knakveey.wikia.com/wiki/File:Penciladonarticlepage.png Ad on an article page]
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It should be noted the ad in the 2nd image is right below "mordecai/3.340k pages on this wiki"
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The image we make for the pages on the GoT can be smaller if preferred and can be put in the right rail instead. We can be very flexible as to how it looks.
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Again, it would only be visible specific pages, not site-wide.
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Anyway, I know you're busy. If this sounds ok, write back some image sizes you'd be ok with.
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Have a good trip,
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[[User:Knakveey|Knakveey]] ([[User talk:Knakveey|talk]]) 21:57, May 19, 2015 (UTC)
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==Wiki French==
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Bonjour,
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Nous recherchons des personnes motivés pour participer au wiki http://fr.gameof-thrones.wikia.com/wiki/Game_of_Thrones
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Etant déjà très occupé sur d'autres wiki anglophone, je recherche des personnes actives et motivés pour aider à faire grandir rapidement le wiki.
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(ce wiki à était créer car celui gérer par vampire8 n'est pas très actif et le membre refuse toute collaboration avec d'autres contributeurs).
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ps: je m'excuse par avance si je me suis tromper de catégorie pour vous écrire ce message.
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Salutation.
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Radagast l'animal 16:27, May 16, 2015 (UTC)
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Je suis très occupé ici, parce que la saison 5 est seulement la moitié terminé.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 16:47, May 16, 2015 (UTC)
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==Season 5 episode 9: "The Dance of Dragons"==
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If Young Griff is going to appear this season, it's going to be here. Naming an episode after a war where Targaryens fought one another does seems suspicious, to me at least. '''[[User:Draevan13|<span style=color:red>DRAEVAN13</span>]]'''
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[[Category:User Signature Templates]] 14:34, May 17, 2015 (UTC)
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Or... you know. Dragons are getting unleashed ;) —[[User:ArticXiongmao|ArticXiongmao]] ([[User talk:ArticXiongmao|talk]]) 14:35, May 17, 2015 (UTC)
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Could be, but dragons being unleashed has nothing to do with the war the title is referencing. The dragons were quite controlled, it was the Targaryens involved who were mucking about. '''[[User:Draevan13|<span style=color:red>DRAEVAN13]]'''
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[[Category:User Signature Templates]] 14:58, May 17, 2015 (UTC)
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Unfortunately I think they just picked a catchy name because a dragon appears in it.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 16:53, May 17, 2015 (UTC)
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==Letting the Admins know==
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I am soooo tired of writing out message after message about the image policy to users who don't properly upload pictures here. I have created a template, that we can use when telling editors about our policy when it comes to images.
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[http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Template:ImagePolicyFirstWarning ImagePolicyFirstWarning] If you see wording that may need to be changed, or anything added- please feel free to make those changes. {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 18:39, May 19, 2015 (UTC)
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== Barristan Selmy's page ==
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Can you open Barristan's page for editing, it seems to be locked. There is important information to add, such as: number of appearances, information regarding his post-death scene and more.--[[User:Sebahed|Sebahed]] ([[User talk:Sebahed|talk]]) 00:27, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
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==Look!==
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Finally we get a look at Tyrell soldiers.[https://twitter.com/WatchersOTWall/status/601905637576937473/photo/1] Are those two "Left" and "Right"?--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 06:04, May 23, 2015 (UTC)
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== Ragestorm/Admin ==
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Hey, next time someone is promoted to admin, can you tell me? I had no idea about Ragestorm. Thanks. {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 00:55, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

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C2E2 Edit

http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Werthead/GAME_OF_THRONES_WIKI_at_C2E2_Chicago

"Wikia will be hosting a panel at C2E2 in Chicago on 26 April. They're flying me in specially for the event (!) and Kristian Nairn will also be part of the panel. "

I wrote up a lot of questions for this when the Wikia Staffers asked us to submit Q&A questions. http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Brian_Linder/Post_Your_Questions_for_Hodor_Actor_Kristian_Nairn http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Gcheung28/Post_Questions_for_Theon/Reek_Actor_Alfie_Allen

I was very excited that Wikia got to set up a panel with cast members like this.

I have been unable to find any major reports or video of the panel.

What was it like? Was any of our submitted Q&A answered?

I don't understand: how was this panel associated with Wikia as a topic?

How did you promote or discuss Game of Thrones Wiki at the panel? What did the cast have to say about it? (we always hope they read our stuff)

You didn't give a report on how the panel went on the wiki so I was unaware what happened. The Wikia panel was almost four months ago, and the only thing you mentioned about it on Game of Thrones Wiki before was three months ago when you loaded that photo of you with Alfie Allen (Theon Greyjoy): http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/User:Werthead?diff=134785&oldid=28401

I wasn't sure what had happened.

Then the thought occurred to check the archives of your WertZone blog, and you did give a brief report there:

http://thewertzone.blogspot.com/2014/05/the-american-trip.html
"One of the several other hats I wear is the founder and admin of the Game of Thrones Wiki, which has reached a high of 12 million hits per week during this season. Wikia, which runs the whole network, wanted me to join in a panel on the show. Initially it was just going to be myself, Jamie Hari of the Marvel and DC Database Wikis and Alfie 'Theon' Allen, but we were eventually also joined by Kristian Nairn (Hodor) and Natalia Tena (Osha). The actors were fashionably late, which left myself and Jamie to hold down the fort with several hundred fans for the opening minutes.
"The panel seemed to be successful. Alfie talked about the process of playing such a damaged character as Theon and Kristian the various ways the directors have got him to act with such restricted dialogue. Natalia talked about the importance of the TV show as a separate entity to the books and the urgent need for male/female nudity parity in the show. I mused on the fan theory that Littlefinger is turning into Batman (the voice) and we threw it out there that Joffrey had faked his own death."

This is sort of brief and I'm not sure from it how much Game of Thrones Wiki was discussed.

Will you have time to do a more detailed writeup of this event during this weekend?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 06:11, August 15, 2014 (UTC)

Adam I asked you about this over a week ago.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 15:17, August 24, 2014 (UTC)

The panel ended up being rushed due to a lack of firm planning. At one point we were only getting one actor and we only had all three confirmed at the last minute (Alfie in particular seemed uncertain if he was going to do it). We were also told that we were only getting all three actors for the last quarter hour or so, and then we had them for a lot longer. The decision was then made to allow the audience (which was easily 300-400 strong) to ask questions rather than firing questions at them from a long list. The actors didn't stick around for very long afterwards. So it was a bit more of an 'event hosted by Wikia' thing than an event about the Wiki in any real detail. Some fans and readers were in the audience and talked to me about the site afterwards, but we didn't get a chance to discuss the site very much with the actors.

I am also hoping to be able to visit the Wiki more often soon. Six months of both shift work and increased paid writing work in other venues has left me with almost no time whatsoever to work on the Wiki (and you will notice a significant decrease in blog activity as well, and what there has been has been rather brief). This situation looks like easing, at least somewhat, in the near future.--Werthead (talk) 18:42, August 25, 2014 (UTC)

Am I still to create the perfect wiki?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 19:10, August 25, 2014 (UTC)
I was invited to attend C2E2/this panel but had to cancel last minute :( I hate that I missed it! QueenBuffy35 Crown New Red 15:56, August 28, 2014 (UTC)

GOT Community AppEdit

Hey, Dragon! Wikia is in the process of working on a Game of Thrones Wiki community app and we could really use your help! Would you or the other admins mind helping us curate categories for the GOT Community App? The curation lives on this page and there are instructions on there for adding/removing categories that will appear in the app itself. Let me know if you have any questions! P.S. The page says Game Guides right now but that will change eventually! Grace @Wikia (profile)•(talk) 21:30, September 5, 2014 (UTC)

Sure! Let me know if you have any questions once you've read it. This essentially is going to be a guide for users about Game of Thrones which is why we need the most important categories listed out for people that want to learn about the series through the wikia. Grace @Wikia (profile)•(talk) 18:26, September 8, 2014 (UTC)

Wonky sigils, part 2 Edit

I'm at a loss as to what is causing this... but one possible fix might be to move them above the infobox, as AWoIaF does. We could even create special shield shaped versions for this purpose.--Ser Patrek (talk) 10:02, September 7, 2014 (UTC)

Ah, I think I've found the answer: The files size for some of these heraldry images are simply too large, (over 1,000px in some cases) they're overloading the "name" field. Up till now I've just been resizing the wonky ones so they fit again, but now I'm seeing ones that I've already fixed have been displaced again. Obviously we can't just keep shrinking them, as eventually they'll be so small as to be indistinct. I think the solution is to create separate mini versions of the images that can fit in the infobox at their own size, without needing to be scaled down.--Ser Patrek (talk) 13:00, September 7, 2014 (UTC)
Ahh, thank you for figuring that out!!! Talk about driving me nuts! QueenBuffy35 Crown New Red 15:07, September 7, 2014 (UTC)

Flags and shields Edit

I'm fixing up the infobox heraldry at the moment, but I had an idea that I wanted to run by you. What if I created special flag icons that are just for articles on locations. Like so.--Ser Patrek (talk) 07:44, September 9, 2014 (UTC)
Bolton mini flag
Bolton mini flag
Well those are fun, but we don't have the "official"...tail design? for every house. Most use the foreground color (Baratheon uses black tails, Bolton uses red tails) but some use alternate colors (Starks apparently use a green tail in the TV version? Or something?)...and I'm not even sure what multi-colored ones like the Tullys would use...
(shrug) might as well use it for the ones we know like the Boltons and Baratheons, etc.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 16:21, September 15, 2014 (UTC)

Titancon 2014 World of Ice and Fire readingEdit

Any link to a summary or something like that?--Gonzalo84 (talk) 00:52, September 17, 2014 (UTC)

Starts here: http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/116987-titancon-2014-world-reading/page-4

The reading was from the chapter on Aegon III the Dragonbane, which should give some hints at how the Dance of the Dragons ended.

During the first three fourths of the Dance (what TPATQ covers) Winterfell did declare for Rhaenyra, but House Dustin and House Manderly are also singled out. Keep in mind that Robb Stark could rally an army of 20,000 to head south relatively quickly...and this probably isn't all of the able-bodied men; the North is vast and a point is that it takes a while for them to rally all of their soldiers and get put on a war footing. Specifically, during the Targaryen Conquest, consider how long it took Torrhen Stark to assemble his whole army (the war was already over after the Field of Fire). Anyway, while the North did make major contributions to the war...the "Winter Wolves" led by Roderick Dustin who came south numbered only 2,000 men. This is apparently just the standing household men-at-arms they could assemble at short notice - great and professional warriors, but not every able-bodied man who could hold a spear...AND, the Winter Wolves did a LOT of damage to the Greens, vastly out of proportion to their numbers, before the last of them were killed at First Tumbleton. Cregan Stark was probably just a child at the time, because he later fought Aemon the Dragonknight some 30-40 years later, and Aemon always said he was the toughest opponent he ever faced, plus Cregan did not seem very proactive in the Dance but delegated it to commanders like Roderick (he might not have been a "child",

Anyway, Aegon III came to the throne at 11 years old, but it would be five years until he came of legal age, so a regency council was set up to rule until then - with members chose from both the Blacks and the Greens, as neither side truly won the war. Jeyne Arryn was one, the severely mutilated Tyland Lannister was another, etc.

What we found out in this reading is that:

  • Cregan Stark and the rest of the Northern army finally arrived south, but by then the war had ended (Aegon II died through as yet unknown circumstances leaving Aegon III as the only male heir). Again, the North "contributed" to the war - they sent their best hand-picked men south as "the Winter Wolves" - this was the general army of regular, less well trained but far more numerous guys (okay, this is me speculating). At any rate, Cregan and his Northern reinforcements arrive south to find the war is ended - he is not amused, nor are his bannermen, many of them sons or younger brothers of other Northerners who died earlier in the war. To appease Lord Stark, they decided to make him the new Hand of the King and Regent: he declared that he would hold trials and executions. The "trials" and executions all lasted a single day: he knew who he wanted dead so he had all of their heads on spikes in one day. He did at least give them the option to take the black as an alternative to death, and several did leave for the Wall. He was Hand and Regent it seems for a single day; the day after the executions, satisfied, he began the return journey home. Afterwards they came up with the idea to make a "Regency council" composed of seven members, chosen from both the surviving Blacks and surviving Greens.
  • Most of Cregan's army, however, stayed behind: again, many were younger second sons who were too young at the start of the war, but many still had surviving older brothers/fathers. Some swore themselves to southron lords, others became sellswords, but many became bandits - which was already a serious problem due to the breakdown in public order caused by the Dance itself.
  • Once Aegon III actually did come of legal age, the regency council transferred power back to him peacefully and without incident.

--The Dragon Demands (talk) 01:21, September 17, 2014 (UTC)

Programming Question Edit

Hello, TDD!

I wanted to let you know that I sent you an email this evening with some general questions about *potential* future programming plans here on the GOT community. Would love to hear your thoughts when you have a moment to reply. Thanks, ser!

Brian@Wikia 02:54, September 18, 2014 (UTC)


Yup, I e-mailed back.  I have school tomorrow.  And a big family event Saturday.  Afterwards college is on two week break due to Jewish holidays.  I've been in standby mode the past two weeks because of the start of the new semester.  Plan on launching into numerous major projects within the next few days once I get into the break, please check back frequently.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 03:17, September 18, 2014 (UTC)

NYCC Edit

Hi, TDD! I wanted to let you know that I just sent you an email about NYCC. Please take a look and respond by the end of the day today if possible. Thanks, ser!

Brian@Wikia 21:16, September 25, 2014 (UTC)


Okay I sent a response e-mail.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 00:18, September 26, 2014 (UTC)

Plagiarism Edit

Hi, TDD.

Saw your note. I'm forwarding that page to the appropriate parties here. Thanks!!


Brian@Wikia 01:51, September 27, 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, ser.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 03:29, September 27, 2014 (UTC)

Faith of the Seven brand Edit

Faith Militant mini brand

I've created a Seven-Pointed Star brand for the Faith Militant article, and a mini version for relevant character articles. Would you mind adding it to the High Sparrow article?--Ser Patrek, the Wolfskinner 30px 10:06, September 28, 2014 (UTC)

Oh, and though I'm sure you've already seen the WotW posts with the photos of the Faith Militant there's was a suggestion in the comments that Loras would be taking on some sort of Lancel-like role. I mean, he was dressed in all black, which he's never done before...--Ser Patrek, the Wolfskinner 30px 10:15, September 28, 2014 (UTC)

I think those are just Loras's bedclothes, or his undergarments; i.e. he just took his armor off, or his formal tunic off. I see no...specific reason to suspect major changes.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 16:44, September 28, 2014 (UTC)


...Wait, I'm not sure where to put it in the High Sparrow article. The regular "High Septon" or "Mordane" articles don't use the normal Faith of the Seven sigil anymore.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:59, September 28, 2014 (UTC)

Oh shit, It's worse than that. A new video of filming in Croatia shows Loras being restrained and dragged away by the Sparrows! Looks like he's being arrested for "sword swallowing". [1]. As for the brand, I think it should be okay in Faith Militant character infoboxes as they do wear the scar/brand as outward display of affiliation. Just like heraldry, but more gruesome.--Ser Patrek, the Wolfskinner 30px 20:10, September 28, 2014 (UTC)


.......(long pause).....oh....no......

(Jaw hanging open for a minute)

Uh...I'm hoping this isn't a major "thing" and is just an "incident" of "Faith Militant toughs rough up homosexuals at Littlefinger's brothel"....but then the regular City Watch steps in and saves him (possibly part of the same scene I hope for, since "Kissed by Fire"; Loras is in bed with Olyvar but looking annoyed, then he says he's realized he's just "drowning his sorrows" and will never love after Renly, so he wants to join the Kingsguard....then Faith Militant toughs burst in and drag him into the street...then hopefully he gets rescued and joins the Kingsguard.

Crud. This might turn out to actually be a good way to give Loras more to do...IF it has no long-term side-effects. We've never really seen, say...a Septon's sermon preaching that homosexuality is a sin, and Loras looking upset about it (which he probably did at some point in his life). So we get to see Loras facing some real discrimination, fine. So long as it has no lasting effects that drastically alter his long-term storyline.

Oh god.

Oh, you reminded me: "during the Andal Invasion, with the zeal of their new faith, the Andals would carve Seven-pointed stars into their flesh" -- that must be what the TV show is taking its cue from. Good book reference, actually. But I can't tell if they are brands or carved.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 21:16, September 28, 2014 (UTC)

If Loras is executed... we riot! This is a serious concern because (although we don't know what GRRM has planned for the character) it seems like he's just waiting to die on Dragonstone at the moment. I don't doubt that the seige will be cut entirely. TV-first fans don't care that Dragonstone needs to be retaken, and I can't see D&D spending time and money on a non-essential battle scene... full of expensive CGI and stunwork... not a chance! Much easier to just say that Stannis took his entire garrison North with him, and the Island is now abandoned, and then have Cersei weaken the Tyrells by having Loras arrested by the High Sparrow. We know he's having another scene with Olyvar next seasons, so presumably the arrest immediately follows this. I have no hope for Olyvar... he'll probably be killed on the spot, with Loras, as a high-born taken to the Sept of Baelor to be made an example of. Damn them!--Ser Patrek, the Wolfskinner 30px 11:10, September 29, 2014 (UTC)
Confirmed: The Sparrows invade Littlefinger's brothel. [2].--Ser Patrek, the Wolfskinner 30px 15:20, September 29, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Please ReadEdit

I've passed your message along to the appropriate people. Thanks for letting me know! Grace @Wikia (profile)•(talk) 16:42, September 29, 2014 (UTC)

Because I can. Edit

So I'm going to get on your nerves with this, but I don't care...so BAH! But can I pleaseeeee, (or can you) archive your talk page. Man, it takes awhile to scroll through 200+ messages. ;) QueenBuffy35 Crown New Red 22:07, September 29, 2014 (UTC)

Entirely my fault. Yes, the "cluttered desk" I've got on here. I'll get right on it.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 22:41, September 29, 2014 (UTC)
Woo hoo! Not sure why that peeves me! lol QueenBuffy35 Crown New Red 23:12, September 29, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Vote of No ConfidenceEdit

Hey Dragon, sorry to hear that this is happening. I've passed your message on to the appropriate people. Grace @Wikia (profile)•(talk) 21:10, October 7, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Vote of No Confidence in Adam Whitehead (Werthead) Edit

Hi The Dragon Demands. We will not be removing Adam as a panelist. He has our full support as a representative both of Wikia and Game of Thrones Wiki, and he has been very successful at that in past appearances. We are looking forward to seeing him again in New York and continuing to work with him.

If the community feels Adam shouldn't be an administrator anymore, then the community can hold a vte on that. There is a clear and established community-based process for admin removal. Wikia Staff does not get involved in that, because it is a local decision.

Finally, and most importantly, we consider your comment about asking convention security to "forcibly remove" Adam from the panel to be a threat. We have therefore contacted the convention organizers and are revoking your pass to the event. You will not be in attendance at the panel, and you will not be given a pass to enter the convention from Wikia. - Brandon Rhea@Wikia(talk) 21:44, October 7, 2014 (UTC)

email Edit

Check email please. QueenBuffy35 Crown New Red 15:41, October 10, 2014 (UTC)

Message received and replied. I agree fully.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 15:50, October 10, 2014 (UTC)

Vote of no confidence on Chancellor Valorum... I mean WertheadEdit

My vote is in. I'm sorry it took me this long to answer. Been kinda busy these past weeks with my classes.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 02:44, October 11, 2014 (UTC)

The vote is in.  I love democracy.  It was with the greatest reluctance that I initiated this motion.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 02:46, October 11, 2014 (UTC)

New Series. Have you seen it? Edit

Hey. I was going to ask, have you seen that new Netflix/BBC series "Peaky Blinders" yet?! AWESOME series!!! QueenBuffy35 Crown New Red 04:14, October 14, 2014 (UTC)

Ah, I'm pretty busy with other stuff now. I don't think their gang will cause too much trouble - until they detonate a tactical nuclear warhead, at which point even the Birmingham police, will have to sit up and take notice.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 14:52, October 14, 2014 (UTC)
Oh man it's good! It's like the Boardwalk Empire for England, but BETTER I think. I like that it's based loosely on RL people/events too. :) Anyway, it's only 6 episodes. Just try it sometime. QueenBuffy35 Crown New Red 14:58, October 14, 2014 (UTC)

RE: GoT Personality QuizEdit

Greetings, good sir - may I ask what your picks would be for 6 fan-relatable characters with varying personalities?

Siggy4.png @@Wikia (profile)•(talk) 18:43, October 15, 2014 (UTC)

Well, I'm not sure...I tried going by D&D alignment, but the characters are so complex this isn't always clear.

"Lawful" is fairly clear:

  • Lawful Good = Eddard Stark
  • Lawful Neutral = Stannis Baratheon
  • Lawful Evil = Tywin Lannister (generally; the Red Wedding verged on Neutral Evil, but he felt it was necessary to swiftly end the war)
  • Neutral Good = Daenerys Targaryen (unlike the Starks, if she thinks you're a "bad" person she won't pardon you as the honorable thing to do - she will crucify you. That's how the Targaryens have always rolled, back to Aegon I: if you're part of the program, he'll be kind to you. Oppose him, he'll burn you.)
  • Chaotic Good = "the Rebel" - fighting against the rules for a good cause (arguably Robb Stark was this, but I don't think leading a secession movement counts - his own men didn't think of him as a lone rebel). So...arguably Arya Stark.
  • Neutral Evil - not really concerned with the rules, just their own selfish ends: Littlefinger and Cersei.
  • Chaotic Evil - a raving psychopathic maniac, not even beholden to "rules" for himself. On the one hand this makes him dangerous and unpredictable, but on the other hand, makes him too unstable to make reliable long term plans (more a raving beast than "the Overlord"). Joffrey Baratheon and Ramsay Snow.

Now I'm fairly clear on the aforesaid...except for Chaotic Good, that was a bit more grey, there's no "Robin Hood" in this (well, the Brotherhood Without Banners, but they're not as prominent in the show lately). But might as well use Arya.

The next two kind of stumped me:

  • True Neutral and Chaotic Neutral = The Outsider and the Nomad, as they say. True Neutral is concerned purely with his own interests, while the Chaotic Neutral is actively rebelling against any forms of control.

The problem is that the distinction between True Neutral and Chaotic Neutral is kind of subtle. Chaotic Neutral actively revolts against any rules, craving their nomadic freedom; True Neutrals are so concerned on basic survival and avoiding getting involved that they'll put up with rules and structures so long as they don't particularly affect them. Han Solo at the beginning of Star Wars is True Neutral, while Jack Sparrow is Chaotic Neutral (openly stating that he lives as a pirate because being on a ship in the ocean not beholden to any laws is the ultimate freedom).

Tyrion is sort of True Neutral because he's just worried about survival. He doesn't particularly care for rules but also frowns on breaking them, he's altruistic when he can be but also can do some fairly self-serving things (at times he's verging on Neutral Good). Meanwhile, Sandor Clegane is now closest to Chaotic Neutral, focusing purely on his own survival...though arguably that's True Neutral, because he hates rules but usually isn't bothered by them if they don't get in his way. Jaime Lannister, also, kind of True Neutral verging on Chaotic Neutral - he doesn't want to claim the throne, rejects positions of authority, all he wanted in life was to be with the woman he loved - and good or evil, lawful or chaotic, anything that stands in his way he'll (grudgingly) get rid of -- though living through the Mad King's court has made him hate people who are outright evil or chaotic, pushing him back into the True Neutral camp.

This doesn't even cover the whole Margaery-Cersei dichotomy (Cersei is rude and blunt and hates "women", wishing she were born a man, while Margaery tries to use the carrot instead of the stick, and "manipulate" people by giving them things they actually want, and embracing her femininity to seduce people).

That's all I have at the moment. The problem is that many of the characters are so grey and nuanced.

--The Dragon Demands (talk) 19:35, October 15, 2014 (UTC)

Infobox heraldry Edit

It's happening again. I'm afraid we're going to have to either A: remove the heraldry entirely... or B: remodel our infoboxes so they use the same coding makeup as the ones from AWoIaF. Neither choice is particularly appealing, but I can't see any other option.--Ser Patrek, the Wolfskinner 30px 09:19, October 18, 2014 (UTC)

...Crud.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 15:49, October 18, 2014 (UTC)

Those damn things have never worked for me, and I am sick of the wonky banners! lol Have we ever asked Wikia for help in this matter? QueenBuffy35 Crown New Red 23:56, October 18, 2014 (UTC)
I sent them a special contact request months ago and never heard anything back. Chist, look at Tommen's and Maegor's! I've had to shrink them down to 10px! You can barely see them... it's not worth it. There may be a simpler solution: moving the sigils above the infoboxes, and using margin code to make them align. That would be a less extreme option than remodelling the actual templates, but I have no idea if it will work. Let me tinker with it, I'll see if I can rig something up.--Ser Patrek, the Wolfskinner 30px 09:04, October 19, 2014 (UTC)

Okay, this is what I've got so far... it's a crude solution, and it will be pretty inconvenient adding it to every page. I don't know what else to suggest.--Ser Patrek, the Wolfskinner 30px 10:37, October 19, 2014 (UTC)

...looks like the best that can be done. We've been spending too much time fiddling around with the icons inside the infoboxes, and haven't gotten much further. Thanks.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 15:43, October 19, 2014 (UTC)

Righto. It may be possible to incorporate this coding into a template. Something like this:

{{Heraldry |Right shield=Lannister Left shield = Kingsguard

--Ser Patrek, the Wolfskinner 30px 16:53, October 19, 2014 (UTC)

Rollback editor Edit

Hey TDD. Just a quick thing I wanted to run by you. User:Lorisa214 is someone I have worked with for awhile, and I know her as admin on a couple of other Wiki's. She was requesting "Rollback" rights, and I don't have a problem with it, but I wanted to pass it by you and get your thoughts. We could maybe do a 30 day probationary period and if all goes OK, just leave her with the rights. Thoughts? QueenBuffy35 Crown New Red 23:55, October 18, 2014 (UTC)

1 - Yes. 2 - While inappropriate now, if/when Bureaucrat vote succeeds, we need to start listing/discussing new Admins to promote, 3 - Lorisa214 proved to be a reliable editor in Season 3 - though understandably she wasn't really around much in Season 4, due to running Reign Wiki, 4 - IF she is willing to put in the time commitment, she could be an Admin candidate, 5 - I would openly pursue an affirmative action policy to make as many female Admins as we can, to try to balance things out (to be honest the only other prominent potential female candidate is RachelP...also from Australia). Well we'll discuss this more later. Specifically what is the extent/function of Rollback rights?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 00:00, October 19, 2014 (UTC)
It just allows them to instantly undo changes to an article with a single click.--Ser Patrek, the Wolfskinner 30px 09:04, October 19, 2014 (UTC)
Oh okay. Does that mean Rollbacks on protected pages too? (Though if it's only a rollback, even that can't drastically change too much that we can't just restore later).--The Dragon Demands (talk) 15:44, October 19, 2014 (UTC)
I don't think they can edit articles that are protected to "admin only", no.--Ser Patrek, the Wolfskinner 30px 16:53, October 19, 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, I just look at the Rollback feature as something for trusted editors to use. It makes editing/undoing things quicker and simpler. Any word on when our bureau rights come into effect? What is the latest with that? QueenBuffy35 Crown New Red 19:01, October 19, 2014 (UTC)

Oh fine, then, give Rollback rights to any trusted editors (It's like an extension of "Undo" I see).

As for Bureaucrat rights...they said we had to hold a vote, so I started the vote. Then, to make sure it was legit, I sent Talk messages to all users with over 100 edits (by going down a list) as you may have seen last week. Not necessarily everyone, but I made sure to message a couple of dozen people, accounting for most anyone with a stake in things.

...I do not know how long the vote needs to last, exactly, but I think "One Week" sounds standard. Which would be around midnight tomorrow night. So my basic plan was to wait another...9 plus 24 = 33 hours or so, until after midnight Monday, and only then try to contact Wikia Staff again and point out "We've had the vote open for a week, that seems to be standard voting time, I think the vote is finished unless you insist otherwise" etc.

Yeah, so tomorrow night at midnight was when I was going to bring up the issue.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 19:14, October 19, 2014 (UTC)

Bracket TournamentEdit

Here's another one for you -

I'm working on a list of 32 characters - who are not deceased as of the Season 4 finale - for the bracket tournament. Having trouble rounding out the 32, they don't so much need to be plausible as having a shot at the iron throne, but as having fans who would wish they could sit upon it. Also, this isn't necessarily a literal "fight" for the throne, but more like who's most likely to "fight, scheme, or claw" their way to it. This is ignoring such things as the fact that members of the knights watch *should* be ruled out, since obviously there are those who would vote for Jon & even Sam. However, characters like Gilly or Missandei for instance... probably don't belong on the list as it's too far of a stretch. Therein lies my problem, once all the obvious & main characters are on the list, I'm having trouble coming up with enough to make the full 32. Since you are far more familiar with the secondary characters than I am, can you help me finish (and update, feel free to nix anyone you see fit) this list?

Here's who I have so far, we just need an even 32:

  • Tyrion Lannister
  • Cersei Lannister
  • Daenerys Targaryen
  • Arya Stark
  • Jon Snow
  • Sansa Stark
  • Jorah Mormont
  • Jaime Lannister
  • Theon Greyjoy
  • Bran Stark
  • Petyr Baelish
  • Varys
  • Brienne of Tarth
  • Bronn
  • Gendry
  • Margaery Tyrell
  • Stannis Baratheon
  • Mance Rayder
  • Davos Seaworth
  • Melisandre
  • Balon Greyjoy
  • Tormund Giantsbane
  • Samwell Tarly
  • Ramsay Bolton
  • Daario Naharis
  • Gregor Clegane

Thank you in advance, good sir!

Siggy4.png @@Wikia (profile)•(talk) 01:17, October 21, 2014 (UTC)


Well, because I'm all about being thorough, the 32 I'd list based on "plausibility" include:

Daenerys, Stannis, Shireen, Gendry, Tommen, Myrcella.

Myrcella's cool, but she only really comes to the fore in later books - matching when she returns in Season 5. Martin planned these books out in advance: Tommen, Myrcella, and Rickon Stark were nobodies in Season 1, but he knew the story would stretch on for years and that they'd grow into major figures later. Basically...out of Tywin's three children, it was Tyrion who inherited his extreme intellect. Similarly, in the next Lannister generation...Myrcella inherited all of the smarts. She's basically Tyrion's intellect and respect for the downtrodden (from being abused by Joffrey for years), but with the looks of a young teenaged Cersei. Characters in Dorne remark on how she's smarter than most adults they know, and are baffled that Cersei all but ignored the one of her children best suited to be a monarch (the irony being that Cersei is angry that her own father Tywin ignored her to focus on Jaime...then she did the exact same thing to her own children, focusing on Joffrey to the exclusion of her other two children. Reap as you sow, really.

But that's just rival claimants and stuff. Broadening the term we get "sit on the Iron Throne" in the generic sense of "controls the throne", which goes on to include Littlefinger, Varys, Olenna and Margaery Tyrell.

So there's 11 right there. I'd say "Cersei" but she's kind of ruling through Tommen right now but...screw it, put in Cersei: a question of "will Tommen ever overcome Cersei's domination?". That gives us 12.

Jaime refused the throne numerous times, he doesn't even want to be Hand of the King. Should put Tyrion in though...he's a "faction" unto himself now, but without saying much, he may have fled for now but his idea is to side with Cersei's enemies because it will be easier to take down the Lannisters if they have a rival Lannister heir to put in charge of Casterly Rock in her place. Bronn, of course, I say with all sincerity, deserves a spot on the list: he's gone from wandering mercenary to a member of the minor nobility; now he just has to get rid of his wife's older sister and he'll be Lord of Stokeworth. At the rate he's going...so that gives us 14.

Sansa Stark is slowly but surely turning into her own "faction" trying to dominate the realm - for the moment by siding with Littlefinger, but she's starting to "play the game" of politics in the Vale. 15.

I would insist on putting Arianne Martell on the list for...reasons. Not that she's been cast yet, but of the Dornish characters angling for the throne...bringing us to the halfway point, at 16.

...I would put the Boltons/Freys on, because in the books...well, Lady Ryswell remarks on the Boltons and Freys taking part in the Red Wedding, and why someone as smart as Roose would think he could get away with something like that - they had Lannister backing. Similarly, Cersei and the Lannisters are now trying to distance themselves from their erstwhile Frey/Bolton allies, because they're the ones that literally got blood on their hands. So they want to blame the Freys and Boltons for being the ones who broke guest right....but Lady Ryswell says that she thinks Roose's plan all along was to turn it around and blame the Red Wedding on the Lannisters, accurately pointing out that it was the Lannisters who "gave the orders" to do it...and somehow Roose intends to manipulate this and turn it around to declare Northern independence yet again...just under Bolton kings. Meanwhile, Ramsay's a psychopath, but he's Roose's only living son, and Roose privately admits that Ramsay will kill any new children he fathers with Fat Walda rather than see a rival heir -- and there's little Roose can or will do to stop him, because he feels that "child heirs are the death of Great Houses" -- which is becoming very apparent with the young boy-king Tommen -- so he's settling for the lesser of two evils, and grooming Ramsay as his heir as best he can...to the North certainly, to a Bolton-ruled kingdom of the North? Possibly.

Bringing us up to 18.

I don't think Mance is a good choice because he's kind of beaten at this point, same with Tormund. Similarly, Jorah's an outcast. Daario doesn't make much more sense...unless you mean in the sense that he'd be Daenerys's consort?... Gregor Clegane doesn't make much sense, he's kind of unconscious now and not really ruling before that.

Davos and Melisandre kind of make sense in the meaning of "who will functionally rule through Stannis?" (like the angel and demon on his shoulders). Bringing us to 20.

I suppose you could put Tycho Nestoris, in the sense of "whoever the Iron Bank of Braavos wants, the realm is bankrupt, Tycho can pretty much choose kings at this point"

Bran has kind of removed himself from the equation at this point...I'd put Rickon in his place because they sort of obviously set up that Rickon is "the surviving male Stark heir" now that Bran is gone.

...getting ahead of ourselves, but if we count Season 5 stuff...the High Sparrow. Readers will know what we mean. 23.

...frankly you can keep Jon Snow on the list, due to the whole L+R=J...thing...

Major points:

Really need to include Shireen and Myrcella. Myrcella is huge in Season 5.

...include Arianne Martell.

If you include Theon, you need to include Yara Greyjoy. Now that Theon is given up for dead, there's this subplot that the ironborn are jockeying for position to be Balon's heir; some say Yara should be Queen of the Iron Islands after Balon, other traditionalists say a woman shouldn't rule and want to make one of Balon's younger brothers king.

If you include Ramsay Bolton you should really include Roose Bolton too.

...you didn't include Olenna or Margaery Tyrell. They're very, very important.

Your list has 25 and you needed 7 more:

  • Shireen Baratheon
  • Myrcella Baratheon
  • Margaery Tyrell
  • Olenna Tyrell
  • Yara Greyjoy
  • Roose Bolton
  • Arianne Martell
  • Tycho Nestoris
  • Rickon Stark

Probably shouldn't include Mance, Tormund, and Gregor.

...I don't know, substitute with "the High Sparrow", "Walder Frey", and "White Walker leader" (from "Oathkeeper")

That's the best I've got for now.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 02:46, October 21, 2014 (UTC)

StatusEdit

Thanks for letting me know. I will hopefully be able to contribute a little but won't expect to reach my previous levels of activity again.--Opark 77 (talk) 18:54, October 24, 2014 (UTC)

Yes, ser. I hope to see you then.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:57, October 24, 2014 (UTC)

Your QuestionsEdit

Hello! Yes I've read the books, but not all of them. I think the first 3, I can't remember if I started on the fourth or not. I skipped a couple chapters, like what's going on with the two younger Stark kids b/c I don't like them. I started reading after the show aired. So basically i'm still working on finishing. (I'm also reading the last book of Eragon, & it's like 1,000 pages) I'm still debating if I'm going to read ahead. I just want to know whats going to happen to Danny! B/c I love her the most! (& Jon better not be related to her, b/c though they've never met, I want them to be a couple! b/c Jon's comfortable around strong women and they both just want to be loved) Really, I'm nervous about who's going to die is what I'm getting at. Those two cannot. Side not about Jaime and Brienne, I want them to be a couple?? But Brienne's too good for J b/c he's hooking up w his sis. As a twin, it makes me want to vomit.

Also, I WAS is Oz, but I'm in Canada at Uni. in Ontario? Are you an Auzzy???

  • Do You watch Reign? It's the EFFING best!

--~ Lorisa! (talk) 10:17, October 25, 2014 (UTC)

Away Edit

Just wanted to let you know, that my internet service is gone for awhile. I will check on her sporadically, but unfortunately you won't see too much from me until I get service. QueenBuffy35 Crown New Red 21:34, October 25, 2014 (UTC)

Census Data reply Edit

Greetings my Lord,

I am currently reading the books. I started reading them after the latest season, as I needed to quench my GoT thirst. I am still trying to finish, and am reading at my own pace (as in not trying to sync it with the show). I've finished the first book and am at the beginning of the second. I am a male. I hail from the lands of the Niagara region, Ontario, Canada.

Iron Bank (talk) 02:49, October 26, 2014 (UTC)

On the Top Bar menu: Edit

I'm a huge fan of the new menu. The only suggestion I have for it is maybe changing "Boltons/Freys" to "Bolton/Frey"? The rest of the houses are all singular (Stark, Lannister, etc.) and it just seems a little awkward to have "Boltons/Freys" be different.--Iron Bank (talk) 16:01, October 26, 2014 (UTC)

Oh, yeah.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 05:59, October 26, 2014 (UTC)

Promotion to bureaucratsEdit

Is it done already?--Gonzalo84 (talk) 13:32, October 26, 2014 (UTC)

​Census Data AnswersEdit

Hello!

Currently, I am enjoying the TV show very much and I do not really have a desire to read the books. I may change my mind in the future, but for now I am simply enjoying the show. As my profile states, I am male. I am originally from and currently live in the state of New Jersey. Since I am on the east coast, I watch new episodes of Game of Thrones when they air at 9:00 PM.

HurricaneHero93 (talk) 13:41, October 26, 2014 (UTC)

Featured VideoEdit

I see your point, of course, but it was requested of me, and inquiring allowed me check it off my list so-to-speak. As for the other video, that's a great choice in my eyes.

Siggy4.png @@Wikia (profile)•(talk) 21:02, October 29, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks a bunch.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 15:30, October 30, 2014 (UTC)

​More Census Data AnswersEdit

Hi TDD,

To answer your census data questions:

  • I haven't read the books, but I will do so after the show has finished. I've held off reading them as I'd like to enjoy the show on its own terms without worrying about differences to the source text, as I tend to get more annoyed than I should by such differences. I can enjoy the whole thing (or at least as far as GRRM has got when the show finishes) all over again by reading the books.
  • I am male.
  • I live in the south-east of England, so the show airs a day after it does in the States. I record the show as I can't always see it on the day of transmission, but I usually make sure I see it as soon as possible.

Hope this is useful.

Esnifador (talk) 19:49, November 1, 2014 (UTC)

Heraldry template Edit

Thanks to Wikia Star UltimateSupreme, we now have a fully functional heraldry template! He's asking if he can use a bot to help distribute the template across the wiki, which would save us loads of time doing it manually. I thought I better ask you first if it would be okay?--Ser Patrek, the Wolfskinner 30px 12:29, November 2, 2014 (UTC)

Oh, that is good news. Yeah, sounds great.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 23:42, November 2, 2014 (UTC)

Infobox designs Edit

Hey TDD. Ser Patrek and I were having a discussion about the design of infoboxes on the wiki. We think it would be nice to have infoboxes (automatically) change their color based on the allegiance. Till now, I have created an example for the lannisters. What do you think?--~UltimateSupreme 06:26, November 6, 2014 (UTC)

...Well that looks great for Tyrion, but not every character has a House affiliation...and some Houses have colors which might not show up well against our backgrounds. Really great for Tyrion and the Lannisters, though. Do you have ideas for what to use for other character groups?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 19:06, November 7, 2014 (UTC)

Added examples for starks and baratheon as well. Yeah, offcourse there will be a default color scheme for all those (and for episode and other infoboxes). I also changed the font of the page title to a Game Of Thrones style. As usual you have to clear cache to see all those changes--~UltimateSupreme 09:38, November 9, 2014 (UTC)

Photo issueEdit

I was having some problems adding a photo yesterday to a character's gallery, Daario Naharis in specific. My problem wasn't to add the photo but to place it side-by-side the other photos. Any help? 

Sebahed (talk) 15:47, November 6, 2014 (UTC)Sebahed

Thanks for the help man! I appreciate it! 

Sebahed (talk) 20:19, November 7, 2014 (UTC)Sebahed

Census data reply Edit

Hi TDD,

I had the first 3 books some years before the series started, but watched the first couple of seasons with only vague book memories. I have now read them all. I'm from New South Wales, Australia. Rachel P 08:01, November 9, 2014 (UTC)

Checking in Edit

Just checking in. How are things going around here? QueenBuffy35 Crown New Red 20:24, November 10, 2014 (UTC)

Not much in terms of "news". I made Ser Patrek an Admin again and he's been collaborating on an improved infobox template plus finally getting the heraldry on the infoboxes to display well.

Otherwise I'm up against midterms again so things slowed down on my end, though at the same time, i'm finally making headway on my list of Season 4 notes of stuff I meant to add in later. More information soon.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 00:50, November 11, 2014 (UTC)

Late census data Edit

Not sure if this is too late to help you, but I haven't read the books, and I don't plan on reading them since I made the mistake of reading all the spoilers over at awoiaf. I hail from and am based in the Northeastern US, but I'm usually in Cyprus when new episodes air. Hope that helps! --Ragestorm (talk) 19:03, November 12, 2014 (UTC)

What are you doing in Cyprus on a regular basis?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 21:22, November 12, 2014 (UTC)
Archaeology. I work on the remains of an Iron Age city-kingdom most summers. I catch the last few episodes per season over there.--Ragestorm (talk) 22:06, November 15, 2014 (UTC)

Telltale GamesEdit

Since the first episode of Game of Thrones: A Telltale Games Series comes out next month, will we be covering stuff from this game or should it have it's own wiki? --Greater Good (talk) 01:51, November 17, 2014 (UTC)

...I think it's like Ascent and should be separate, but to be honest I know absolutely nothing about it so I'm not sure. Er...the new plan I guess is to at least cover that on a single article devoted to the game as a whole, and we'll see what happens.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 02:10, November 17, 2014 (UTC)

They should be kept separate, in my opinion. I've already registered the domain name "gottelltale.wikia.com, so that we can keep the subject under our jurisdiction if we so choose.--Ser Patrek, the Wolfskinner 30px 06:32, November 17, 2014 (UTC)
Hey folks! Caught this conversation and just wanted to throw in my two cents. HBO and Telltale have both confirmed the consistent events of Telltale's game is show canon, so it may make it more convenient (and less work) to keep it on this wiki. Just an idea. Oh! And we're definitely happy to help you make any adjustments you need to keep it.
Best, Jorge @Wikia(profile)•(talk) 23:34, November 17, 2014 (UTC)


Oh...do you have linked sources for those statements? We should put them in the article. Well, we are covering stuff in "the TV continuity" as a whole including the Blu-ray animated featurettes.

I'll have to keep an eye on this then, though there are other projects I'm getting finished up just now.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 23:59, November 17, 2014 (UTC)

Yea, as far I understand the game will follow the events concurrent in the show. Some images were actually leaked today showing off some darn good renditions of the actors in the game too. You can check them out right here. Oh, and here's some info about the game being based 100% on show canon.Jorge @Wikia(profile)•(talk) 00:16, November 18, 2014 (UTC)
Well, those screenshots haven't been confirmed to be legit yet, though I'm sure they probably are. I will be getting the game at some point, but I can't even begin to think how we'd incorporate this information here... we'd have to split all our articles up into separate namespaces: "Show" and "Game", presumably? Trying to put game exclusive information into our existing show articles will be a nightmare. Surely Ascent is set within the show universe as well? Like the Dragon said, we don't include that stuff here; nor do we include material from the 2012 role-play game. I don't agree with this at all, and will definitely want to see an official statement from HBO that says the game is canon.--Ser Patrek, the Wolfskinner 30px 11:40, November 18, 2014 (UTC)
If the game is consistent with the events from the show, I doubt much would have to be done to existing pages. I imagine it would really only be an issue for characters from the show appearing in the games. The Walking Dead wiki incorporates video game characters creating a second page for their game appearances 9http://walkingdead.wikia.com/wiki/Hershel_Greene_(Video_Game)). Alternatively a section could be added to the bottom of character pages for events in the game as well, so instead of having to duplicate content readers can just scroll to the bottom and read about the game events easily there. We could also help out if decided to go any of those above routes. I don't think it would be as daunting as you might think, especially because these games tend to be short and released once a month or so. As for Ascent or the RPG, I don't think either are HBO Officially licensed are they? Even if they are, both that and the RPG are not narrative-driven games like Telltale's at least, which is more like an interactive show than a game really. Jorge @Wikia(profile)•(talk) 18:01, November 18, 2014 (UTC)

Unless a separate wiki is created this wiki is going to get a fair bit lot of attention when this game comes out, in fact it would probably get a fair bit of attention anyway, this isn't like the other games on this wiki, the episodes for it will be released around a month or two apart so the attention won't go away after a couple of weeks.
I've seen the kind of attention Walking Dead and Wolf Among Us have received and assuming that this game will be no different you are going to have people coming here to add the kind of depth that Wikipedia wouldn't go into and then use that as a way of discussing the game, on TWD wiki's Forum the Video Game discussion section has more threads and posts than any other section including the comic and TV show sections combined, and yes at least 90% of the time they would be referring to the Telltale one, I'm not saying the attention will be that high for GOT but it could still get a high level of attention.
My point is that when this game is released you will have a fair bit of attention to put it mildly and if you haven't figured out how you're going to handle it things may get a little chaotic and that wouldn't be good for anyone.
Personally I think Jorge is right and I would like it if we found a way to integrate the game into this wiki rather than splitting off into a second one, regardless I think you will have to at least make pages for the episodes due to the detail level.
Finally here's a couple of links to give you an example of what I'm talking about because out of context I may look paranoid or delusional.
The First Walking Dead Game: http://walkingdead.wikia.com/wiki/Season_1_(Video_Game)
The TWD wiki Forum (look at the threads and posts for each section): http://walkingdead.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Forum --Gboy4 (talk) 12:16, November 20, 2014 (UTC)

Game of Thrones QuizEdit

Hey! I reached out to Buffy about this but noticed she hasn't been online recently, so I wanted to check in with you. We have this nice little pencil header for the quiz that we were thinking would be nice to go on the Tyrion, Jaime, Jon, Arya, Daenerys, and Baelish pages since they are the final results on the personality quiz. The idea is that, if people happen upon the article, they'll see the header and click on it to go to the quiz. Let me know if that's alright with you! I've attached the image so you can see how it looks. Is it alright if I add it to the top of the article pages that I listed above?
PQuiz GameofThrones PencilUnit
Grace @Wikia (profile)•(talk) 23:26, November 17, 2014 (UTC

Oh sure, that's okay.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 23:58, November 17, 2014 (UTC)

Great! I'll add them in today :) Grace @Wikia (profile)•(talk) 16:28, November 18, 2014 (UTC)

Done!Edit

I've given back the Image (Character) category to those images I messed around with yesterday. I'm sorry about this, but we learn from our mistakes, don't we? – The Snow Prince (talk) 16:57, November 21, 2014 (UTC)

You are being very obsequious.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 02:13, November 22, 2014 (UTC)

Small Council Edit

Shall we hold a small council meeting to discuss how to proceed regarding the Telltale game.?--Ser Patrek, the Wolfskinner 30px 10:47, November 23, 2014 (UTC)


...yeah. I'm not really sure how to proceed. The thought struck me that if they have the time and resources to make an invented TV/video game storyline, they have the time and resources to make webisodes that tell the ironborn subplot which has been happening "off screen". Well, that only really started in book 4 and they didn't do much in book 3, fair enough. But we're reached the absolute last point that they can mention the ironborn subplot before it becomes problematic.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 16:25, November 23, 2014 (UTC)

That's an interesting idea. The fact that actors from the show are voicing their own characters has convinced me that game is indeed canon, so right now I'm leaning towards including it here. It's just not practical to start a companion wiki now at this late stage... the damn thing could be released any day now, so whatever we decide we need to do it quick.--Ser Patrek, the Wolfskinner 30px 16:53, November 23, 2014 (UTC)
Christ, it's happening already!--Ser Patrek, the Wolfskinner 30px 21:16, November 23, 2014 (UTC)

Telltale Checklist Edit

Okay, so I've written a House Forrester article, complete with sigil; I've created shield and banner icons for heraldry, and added it to the relevant articles; I've set up a "Forrester navbox", and rolled it out, and am in the middle of cleaning up and completing the character articles that we currently know about. I've also made a new image licensing tag for Telltale and tagged the necessary file pages with it, and also made new categories for video game characters and images. I'm determined to get on top of this situation before the first episode is released... is there anything else you want me to do?--Ser Patrek, the Wolfskinner 30px 13:37, November 24, 2014 (UTC)


...I'm not sure. This is amazing work, thank you for jumping onto this.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 22:45, November 24, 2014 (UTC)

Navboxes Edit

Hi, All the navboxes are unreadable as the words blend into the background color. Not very user friendly

This has been on my to-do list for awhile now... apologies for not getting round to it sooner. I'll have a look tomorrow morning.--Ser Patrek, the Wolfskinner 30px 11:28, November 29, 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I'm painfully aware. Busy with holiday weekend and end of semester projects, will get a better handle on things when real-life stuff gets finished.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 21:33, November 29, 2014 (UTC)

Checking in Edit

Checking in once again :) How are things going here? QueenBuffy35 Crown New Red 19:43, December 1, 2014 (UTC)

Game of Thrones Programming PromotionEdit

Hey, Dragon! Our bracket tournament is nearing the end and the personality quiz is still getting some traffic, but we were hoping to get more eyes on both those items. With that said, I can't remember if we discussed sending out a Community Message about them? It would be great if we could use that feature to promote one or both of those programs to people that visit this wikia :) Let me know what you think! Grace @Wikia (profile)•(talk) 21:35, December 2, 2014 (UTC)


Oh sure, that's fine.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 21:42, December 3, 2014 (UTC)

Cool, I'll put those out today, thanks :) Grace @Wikia (profile)•(talk) 16:28, December 4, 2014 (UTC)


Hey Dragon, the character tournament just ended today and I posted the winners blog here! Feel free to replace that slide on the main page with whatever you want, and thanks again for letting us promote on there :) Grace @Wikia (profile)•(talk) 22:56, December 19, 2014 (UTC)

Back. Edit

Hey Hey, I'll be around a little more now :) Got an internet booster on the way, but for now decided I'll use a hotspot on my cell. Things going good? What is the latest with the game stuff? QueenBuffy35 Crown New Red 17:58, December 7, 2014 (UTC)

Great. Well I'm not sure what's going on with the game, we're at least watching it for info. Westeros.org has an interesting review up discussing canon status.

School semester ends for me on December 18th, then I can finally sit down and get to work on the major projects that need to be done.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 21:07, December 7, 2014 (UTC)

Hallo,

thanks and you are welcome ^^

Thanks for your infos.

I love the series, the story is very great and I love the charas. I can't wait to see the new season. ^^

Have a nice day.

Fannotation VidEdit

Just a heads up that I placed the Fannotation video in the Featured Vid module on the main page! Cheers, Peter@Wikia 19:35, December 8, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Game of Thrones Cast ListEdit

Hey there,

Thank you for getting back to me. She is this Mary Jordan. She scheduled to be in Season 5 Ep. 10. She is trying to get her online presence out there and is in the middle of getting her IMDb page updated as well as her Wikipedia. If we can help her get started that would be great. Thanks again for your response and help.

Mighty No. 9 (talk) 22:15, December 15, 2014 (UTC)

LockEdit

You have a new message. FishyTicTacs (talk) 22:55, December 17, 2014 (UTC)

Why isn't the lock on my profile off?FishyTicTacs (talk) 23:15, December 18, 2014 (UTC)

Can you please respond?FishyTicTacs (talk) 23:16, December 18, 2014 (UTC)


I did respond to you, on your Talk page. This is my Talk page.

These "are" messages.

For example when you left a message above saying "You have a new message" -- that's like leaving a letter in a mailbox with only "this is a letter" written on it.

Yes, the lock on your profile was removed a while ago.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 00:12, December 19, 2014 (UTC)

Infoboxes Edit

I've just been speaking with UltimateSupreme, and it seems like we're ready to start rolling out the new infobox template. If you don't mind, could you please make him a temporary administrator while he does this, as he needs to be able to modify the CSS? This would just be while the work is carried out, which won't be for long.--Ser Patrek, the Wolfskinner 30px 14:24, December 3, 2014 (UTC)

Would be nice if you could do it now. I'd be free for a while--~UltimateSupreme 08:44, December 19, 2014 (UTC)

Bastard to !@#$%^&* Edit

I fixed the word filter. --Gladiatus (talk) 13:13, December 21, 2014 (UTC)

Mary Jordan Edit

Hi TDD, I think the link that Mighty left us is the one for the correct Mary Jordan. I'm not sure how to go about it exactly though. Thoughts? QueenBuffy35 Crown New Red 05:00, December 24, 2014 (UTC)

Wiki StatusEdit

There have been several people on this wikia recently who have been "messing it up". Like for example someone gave the title "Bord of winterfell" to Bran. It was on this wikia for many days before i undid it. Like, what's going on with this wikia recently?

Pungrotte (talk) 21:59, January 3, 2015 (UTC)Pungrotte

I meant "Gord of Winterfell". And someone also changed Yara Greyjoys name to Liara Greyjoy, and i had to fix that too.

Pungrotte (talk) 22:03, January 3, 2015 (UTC)​Pungrotte​

Well, I couldn't edit over the Christmas holiday...then in late December my laptop died on me. I am using a borrowed spare at the moment which I only just managed to acquire.

I also need to catch up on major projects at the moment. All of January until the next school semester starts up again in early February, that's "catch up time" to finally get to all of this.

It would be a great help if you could provide me with direct links to such vandalism, I have to get major projects done first before I get to catching up on policing daily editing (since October 7th - there's quite a backlog of checking that needs doing).

Short answer: laptop died, but I'm working on it. And with fall semester done, I now have a one month window to kick things into high gear.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 22:06, January 3, 2015 (UTC)

Season 5 Locations Edit

Hello. I'd like to ask that how are we going to division (is that a verb?) the locations where things happen in the upcoming season? During season 4, we divisioned them by the exact places where they happen (ala At the Dreadfort), but in previous seasons we had them divisoned by regions (in the Seven Kingdoms). So. are we going to do specific locations (Season 4) or regions (Seasons 1-3 + S04E10)? --Gladiatus (talk) 20:28, January 12, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, on the to-do list is that even I finally realized that making a strict division between "In the Seven Kingdoms", "At and Beyond the Wall", and "Across the Narrow Sea" doesn't make that much sense because the bulk of most storylines happens in the Seven Kingdoms.

So new plan is to do it "At the Eyrie", "In King's Landing", etc.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 21:35, January 12, 2015 (UTC)

Ah, ok. I was just curios because in The Children article it was different like in the pre-season 4. --Gladiatus (talk) 13:39, January 14, 2015 (UTC)

Fannotation TrailerEdit

Hi DD,

Just a heads up, I am going to replace the featured video on the mainpage with the new episode 2 fannotation trailer. I'm gonna put it there for now, let me know if you have any objections or concerns,

Thank you!

Knakveey (talk) 22:34, January 27, 2015 (UTC)

Affiliates Edit

Hi :) My name is John and I'm an admin on Mistresses Wiki.

I just started watching the show and upon visiting the wikia I saw the affiliates list. I was wondering if you'd be interesting in affiliating my wikia ? :) Zooomi 23:59, January 29, 2015 (UTC)

Well okay, but you need to talk to User:QueenBuffy, she's the Admin in charge of Affiliation.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 01:06, January 30, 2015 (UTC)

Season 5 Trailer Edit

I put a Season 5 trailer vid on the main page because we needed one up...but I know it isn't the HBO one, as it hasn't been uploaded to Youtube yet. I will keep an eye out for it though, and replace it with the HBO one, when it comes available. It looks pretty amazing doesn't it?! I about had a nerdgasm when I heard the trailer put to Heroes by David Bowie!! lol I cannot wait!!!!! QueenBuffy35 Crown New Red 00:33, January 31, 2015 (UTC)

Well they put a good on on their Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152715877082734&set=vb.74133697733&type=2&theater

Eh, we'll switch to the official GameOfThrones Youtube channel's version whenever they get around to updating it.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 00:36, January 31, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, I couldn't figure out how to get the link from the FB page/vid... I think we have to wait til the Youtube version is uploaded. What do you think about it?? I am really liking the idea of Baelish and Sansa. QueenBuffy35 Crown New Red 00:45, January 31, 2015 (UTC)

Episode 2 Mainpage ChangesEdit

Hello,

This is Knakveey from Wikia's game team. I wanted to reach out to some of the active admins with a request in regards to the main page for the upcoming Telltale: GoT episode 2 that is due out soon. This is of course a request and you can decline to have any changes made, but you might find some of the suggestions helpful for the wiki.

- Would it be possible to have the latest fannotation trailers highlighted on the mainpage slider? I know it is currently under "featured media", but it would be great to have it in the slider too.

- What are your thoughts about adding a "Telltale" link under the "Episodes" tab in the nav bar? It would allow users to access articles in regards to the game more efficiently.

- We thought it would be nice to add a right rail unit that highlights the most recent game episode/game character/crucial choice, etc. This would be a new unit on the page and it would be designed by our artists here. They would make something that is slick and will not deviate from the overall look of the wiki. This design will also be sent to you before proceeding so we can make sure it's something that you like and are happy with. Alternatively, what about using the existing "Featured Article" section to highlight the current episode?

If you prefer, I can also post this on the forum/small council and repeat what I have mentioned above.

Again, you do not need to do any of these things, but it is something we think can help improve traffic to the page and increase it's reputation for being a great database for all things Game of Thrones.

Thanks for your time,

Knakveey (talk) 22:37, February 2, 2015 (UTC)

Navbox colorsEdit

We need to get the color schemes of navboxes fixed.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 18:48, February 4, 2015 (UTC)

yes, I'm painfully aware.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 20:45, February 4, 2015 (UTC)

RE:FanficEdit

If you don't want me to make anymore fanfic I won't anymore, you have my word. --Ghost Hunter 85 (talk) 7:33, February 5, 2015 (UTC)

Old Ghiscari Edit

I've finally gotten started working on your request to add citations to Old Ghiscari. Sorry it's taken so long! In some cases I'm having trouble tracking down a public, official source that explicitly calls the word Ghiscari (One particularly vexing case: DJP mentions on dothraki.com that gadbag is an Astapori word, not (normally) used in HV. It's pretty manifestly of Ghiscari origin, but he never actually uses that word!) But if our purpose is merely to prove these aren't random made-up words someone threw on to the wiki, perhaps in some cases citing the language wiki would be sufficient? I am sometimes sloppy in citing my sources there (especially since so many are personal communications with DJP via email or IRC), but I am careful not to allow vocabulary items there unless I have seen their source. What do you think? --Mad Latinist (talk) 20:43, February 11, 2015 (UTC)

Referring to the language wiki is fine, though you might want to concentrate your efforts there first. This is "for posterity" and I'm worried about making incorrect citations which will become preserved for years (we don't have the resources to thoroughly check them all). But do what you can, it is all appreciated.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:30, February 12, 2015 (UTC)

Broken link on protected page Edit

On the table for the Assault on the Dreadfort page the link to the next event Court trial of Tyrion Lannister is broken, it instead says "Court Trial of Tyrion Lannister" and isn't working due to the word "Trial" being capitalized, it's not red but it places you in a blank page that is a candidate of deletion.-Gboy4 (talk) 00:58, February 12, 2015 (UTC)

​Ellaria SandEdit

...Not sure why people​ are against looking the scene up themselves to see, but: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsgJU4nkf-U Gourgeist (talk) 22:17, February 14, 2015 (UTC)

....There's this longer version of that scene in "Bastards of Westeros": http://youtu.be/HHXWSXgXF6k?t=2m50s

Oh crud. That wasn't in the final edit?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 22:23, February 14, 2015 (UTC)

Oh that makes sense now. Apologies. Gourgeist (talk) 22:25, February 14, 2015 (UTC)

Well yeah but you're right, it wasn't in the finished episode.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 23:26, February 14, 2015 (UTC)

I see. I've always been confused in what counts as canon in that regard so I've never messed with it. Gourgeist (talk) 23:46, February 14, 2015 (UTC)

Site merge Edit

Hi, The Dragon Demands!

As the good folks here know, we have an existing Game of Thrones wikia that exists solely to document content for the Telltale game. After discussing it with the lead admin over there, a tentative agreement has been reached that would result in the merging of that site into this one. I am aware that a recent vote was cast here on how to include game information, but am also aware that the existing team here has been focused almost exclusively on the television series.

Here is the proposal - please keep in mind this is not set in stone and is certainly up for debate, as consensus needs to be reached between the two sites before anything moves forward:

  1. The team over there wants to focus exclusively on the game when the sites are merged which, of course, frees the team here to focus on the television series.
  2. It is preferable that the admin team over there be included in the leadership here; additionally, it would probably be nice to have the lead admin from over there be a bcrat here in order to have the "game team" represented.
  3. There should be some indication on the main page and the navigation that articles on the game exist on the wikia
  4. There are no plans to change the look or feel of the site here, at least in general; given that the team being merged already has a look in place for their pages, it might be best to take what they've done and tweak it so it fits with the theme of this site - this will potentially be something that would have to be sandboxed and then agreed upon, unless there's no issue (of course)

That pretty much sums things up. I would be doing the heavy lifting of import/export in order to keep all revision histories intact as much as possible. Smaller changes have to be carried over manually, as well as images and templates. The lead admin over there would likely assist with the latter. I would also be involved in every step of the merger from beginning to end and would be on-hand to answer any questions or solve any issues that might arise.

The obvious benefits of this include this team being able to focus solely on what their passion was in the first place, namely the television series. Another team completely related to their passion - the game - means the best of both worlds. Obviously there would be an increase in traffic here with the redirect alone; but then Telltale is planning a Fan Studio endeavor, which would bump traffic up even more (hopefully) and result in both teams of admins able to potentially benefit from any information from the gaming company... and who knows what else related to GoT they might reveal.

Please let me know what you think at your earliest convenience!

Best regards,

Raylan13@Wikia (talk) 04:27, February 18, 2015 (UTC)

Duncan sigil Edit

I'd never even seen this page in the prop before. Have you? [3]--Ser Patrek, the Paintbrush Knight 15:07, February 22, 2015 (UTC)

oh yes, one of the backlogged "Notes and Screencaps from Season 4" on my "to do" list, behind all the other stuff. School started up slowing me down.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 15:24, February 22, 2015 (UTC)

One season = one year Edit

I'm curious. Has it been confirmed that one season is one year, or is it just wiki thing? Because to me it seems impossible that seasons 2 and 4 lasted more than several months. --Gladiatus (talk) 19:23, February 23, 2015 (UTC)

I provided some examples on the Timeline page. These are things I would "discuss" with the writers if we ever contact them (haha). They don't follow their own rules very closely but do seem to at least follow it in theory. Specifically, Robert's Rebellion was "17 years ago" in Season 1, but then people start saying it was "18 years ago" in Season 2. Then in Season 3, we have Talisa remark that the War of the Five Kings began "two years" ago. So they do vaguely seem to be following this principle. It doesn't affect that much story-wise, but realistically, the child actors only age at a rate of one year.
My bigger concern is establishing a start date. For a long time we didn't know what the "current" year is - if Robert's Rebellion started two years earlier or later in the books. With some frustration it was eventually settled that they both started in 298 AL -- because prop letters from Season 1 have "298 AL" written on them. This might just be an oversight on their part...but it's a better solution than just shrugging our shoulders and saying we have no idea. A temporary/functional solution which has yet to be outright contradicted.
Check out the Timeline page for more.

--The Dragon Demands (talk) 19:29, February 23, 2015 (UTC)

qu Edit

Chat?Edit

Chat room? I have a question. QueenBuffy35 Crown New Red 19:31, February 23, 2015 (UTC)

Histories & Lore screencapsEdit

This guy uploaded the videos on 1080p, I suggest we get our caps from here to get high quality images.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 18:35, February 25, 2015 (UTC)

He's the one I've been using, I just haven't uploaded them yet. School was Monday and Tuesday, now free to load up the rest.

We should make a list.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:58, February 25, 2015 (UTC)

What to do Edit

I want to help, but finding it hard to jump in. Can you tell me anything that needs to be done? :) QueenBuffy35 Crown New Red 02:29, February 27, 2015 (UTC)

We can complete the sigils of character articles using the new templates. Complete the summaries of the new histories & lore articles and make sure the screencaps are in high quality.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 02:45, February 27, 2015 (UTC)
Ok, sounds great. :) QueenBuffy35 Crown New Red 02:56, February 27, 2015 (UTC)

Is it a spoiler? Edit

Hey, I'd like to know is it a spoiler if we write about Sansa going to Winterfell in Season 5 (Sansa in crypts, Arryn men going to Winterfell) in the differences from books sections? Since you know you can see it in trailers, etc. Personally I am not a fan of this thing (almost bad as no Tysha). --Gladiatus (talk) 20:11, March 9, 2015 (UTC)

I will handle it. It's...hard to say, really. Littlefinger says in Sansa's final chapter so far that he intends to use her as a symbol for the Valemen to retake the North from the Boltons (thus officially turning on the Lannisters), but it's based on stuff from the next, unpublished novel. So while it is a "condensation", it's a condensation including FUTURE material....so how the heck can we JUDGE it as a good or bad condensation? I'm trying to not give myself a seizure by considering "maybe this is close enough to how the next book goes".--The Dragon Demands (talk) 20:31, March 9, 2015 (UTC)
Let's just hope she won't replace Jeyne. Hrr. --Gladiatus (talk) 14:39, March 10, 2015 (UTC)
Well my opinion is that ANYTHING revealing what happens in the new season should be classed as a spoiler. Stuff like "Gendry will appear in season 5" is absolutely a spoiler and the same thing goes for the above in my opinion. Some may not agree and it is difficult considering there is written material the tells us almost exactly what's going to happen and in the end it's not my decision but I don't feel this kind of stuff has a place on the Wiki.
I don't think we have to write about it straight away, no one is demanding this information immediately, once the episode airs then it's fine, again in my opinion. - Son Of Fire (talk) 14:48, March 10, 2015 (UTC)

I did a preliminary writeup, please continue discussion on Talk page over there: http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Differences_between_books_and_TV_series_-_Season_5 --The Dragon Demands (talk) 16:37, March 10, 2015 (UTC)

Apologies Edit

Sorry if my comment on Tyene Sand's talk-page offended you. I have very little time for those two, and am not shy about saying so. "How many eyes does Lord Bloodraven have?" 11:49, March 10, 2015 (UTC)

What? It's nothing, you can voice your opinions.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 16:39, March 10, 2015 (UTC)

GOT Roleplay WikiEdit

Would you be interested in joining? Byzantinefire 18:15, March 11, 2015 (UTC)

I am sorry but no: ours is a world of fact, not fan-creations. Besides I'm so buried with work on this wiki - what kind of Admin would I be if I was spending a ton of time on a roleplay?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 19:45, March 11, 2015 (UTC)
Well i know plenty of admins who roleplay like Dlrgirl75 she was plenty of roleplay wiki's. Byzantinefire 20:11, March 11, 2015 (UTC)


It's more that we're really busy, what with Season 5 almost starting up.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 21:13, March 11, 2015 (UTC)
Well that was one of the reasons for me to create one but can i still ask around? Byzantinefire 21:18, March 11, 2015 (UTC)


Well there's no reason not to. I'm of the mentality that "This is going to happen anyway, best that people who know what they're doing start it so we can steer it in a mature direction". I.e. I'm a hardcore book fan but I wanted to help set up a TV show adaptation wiki, to make sure it was guided by book fans instead of people who had no idea what they were doing taking charge. If you, a qualified wiki don't work on a GOT Roleplaying wiki, someone unqualified will. --The Dragon Demands (talk) 21:23, March 11, 2015 (UTC)
So a blog about the GOT roleplay wiki then? Byzantinefire 21:27, March 11, 2015 (UTC)

What? Yeah, no problem.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 22:28, March 11, 2015 (UTC)

Olenna and Ellaria Edit

Where was it confirmed that Olenna and Ellaria's actors have been promoted to the main cast? I can't find any source on the wiki, yet it says they're both going to be major in the fifth season. Thanks if you can help! CoyoteDork (talk) 20:31, March 12, 2015 (UTC)

...I don't know. I assume we'll get confirmation eventually.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 20:34, March 12, 2015 (UTC)

Brazen Beasts or Sons of the Harpy? Or both?Edit

Seems that the guys with horned bronze masks were the sons of the harpy and not the brazen beasts as we originally thought.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 21:38, March 12, 2015 (UTC)

I agree...Westeros.org put out the theory that maybe they're Sons of the Harpy who then STOLE some Brazen Beasts masks, which is plausible but...well, we'll know soon enough.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 21:45, March 12, 2015 (UTC)

I was thinking that, because the men in the first images of masked men weren't wearing the tv!tokars.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 21:53, March 12, 2015 (UTC)

Flaying Edit

Roose doesn't chide Ramsay for flaying the ironborn. [4]. "How many eyes does Lord Bloodraven have?" 17:46, March 15, 2015 (UTC)

He really doesn't. "The Dragon Demands" must have been remembering that from ADWD, where it did happen. In the show it doesn't, though. I edited back. —ArticXiongmao (talk) 17:50, March 15, 2015 (UTC)

No.

Roose: "Most of the ironborn have fled the North - now more will follow, thanks to you."

He doesn't use the specific word "flaying", but I think it's clear that he's chiding what Ramsay did (and probably more will follow on this note next season).--The Dragon Demands (talk) 17:52, March 15, 2015 (UTC)

How is that "chiding"? He's clearly congratulating him for driving the Greyjoys out of the North... "How many eyes does Lord Bloodraven have?" 17:54, March 15, 2015 (UTC)
He's congratulating that he got a difficult task done, as well as chiding him that the manner in which he did it will result in more Greyjoys coming, when as he said earlier in the season, he wanted to quickly make peace with the Greyjoys to focus on reining in the other Northern Houses to Bolton rule.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:01, March 15, 2015 (UTC)
What are you talking about, TDD? He was thanking him for taking Moat Cailin. He also didn't display the flayed men in the Dreadfort as he did in the books. You're mixing up the book with the show here, I'm sorry to say. Roose was only congratulatory in this scene —ArticXiongmao (talk) 17:56, March 15, 2015 (UTC)


1 - How is "more will follow thanks to you" a compliment?

2 - I'm not confusing this with the book scene. I'm aware of the book scene and pointing out how it's hinting at it.

3 - While they aren't displayed in the scene that Roose is talking to Ramsay, yes, remember when the flayed bodies of the Greyjoy men are littered around Moat Cailin and Ramsay brags about it to Reek?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 17:59, March 15, 2015 (UTC)

They WANT the Ironborn to flee the North. I don't get how you don't understand this. He's saying that now most of the Ironborn have fled the North, and thanks to Ramsay's actions now the rest will follow. How can you possibly understand anything different? —ArticXiongmao (talk) 18:01, March 15, 2015 (UTC)

"More will follow" means more will leave! Unless your implying that Roose wants the ironborn in the North, I'm not where your confusion is coming from. "How many eyes does Lord Bloodraven have?" 18:03, March 15, 2015 (UTC)

18:03, March 15, 2015 (UTC)


...Okay now I see what you're saying. You think he meant "more will follow them in fleeing". ...I still think that in context he meant "more will follow and come to the North", though admittedly the line is confusingly worded.

The key point I was focusing on is that he said "most" had already left, so he would have said "the few remaining will follow" or "the rest will follow" if he meant they were leaving, but that "more" implies that they will return in large numbers.

...Now I'm not absolutely certain what they meant by that line.

--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:04, March 15, 2015 (UTC)

It's not confusing at all. They're closing the arc for the season. Ramsay is successful in his mission and Roose rewards him for it as he promised ("Take the Moat for the family, and I'll reconsider your position".)  —ArticXiongmao (talk) 18:08, March 15, 2015 (UTC)

It couldn't be clearer. The scene is positive affirmation of Ramsay's worthiness to be Roose's heir, culminating in his legitimization. "How many eyes does Lord Bloodraven have?" 18:09, March 15, 2015 (UTC)
Exactly. And how does "more will follow" mean more will go back to the North? Who they will follow? The only possible sense of the word is that they will follow those who have fled. In other words, they will flee as well. —ArticXiongmao (talk) 18:10, March 15, 2015 (UTC)

...the writers could have made that line more clear. I still think it might have meant "follow them here" (why not just say "the remainder will follow" instead of "more"?) Well, because it's vague and doesn't specifically mention flaying, yeah it may be better to omit that point for now.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:11, March 15, 2015 (UTC)

You're only one I've seen who interprets it like this. It's a rewarding scene for Ramsay, not a chastising one. Listen to the commentaries, read reviews, I don't know... The point is, it's a clear-cut piece of dialogue "Most have fled —more will follow." I don't see any other reasonable way to interpret it; more of the remaining ironborn will do as most of their brethren already have and flee the North.

I've asked Bryan Cogman, though I find th is a bit stupid. But maybe there's luck! —ArticXiongmao (talk) 18:17, March 15, 2015 (UTC)

Well okay; make the appropriate revisions.

when did you ask Cogman?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:37, March 15, 2015 (UTC)

A long must watch videos and no easy link to newly uploaded imagesEdit

We should contact wikia and tell them to reduce the amount of "must-watch videos" that show up to the right of articles.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 21:59, March 15, 2015 (UTC)

Those can be intrusive - I saw it earlier today when the "recent changes" were pushed below the videos. However it seems fine now.

We need more control over those given that they're on every page.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 02:51, March 16, 2015 (UTC)

Bran and abilities chat Edit

Made another reply on my wall, please take a look.

Kiljaedenas (talk) 20:39, March 17, 2015 (UTC)

Hi, I saw that you had been working on the wiki for GOTand was wondering if you'd be interested in creating newsline pages for the actors. Newslines is like a "Wikipedia for news". Our writers add 50-150 word summaries of news (life events, YouTube performances, interviews, crimes etc) about celebrities, authors, companies and products. The summaries are sorted into interactive news timelines called "newslines". You can add news on any topic you like.

Because we share 50% of advertising revenue with our contributors, someone like you could make a lot of money (possibly thousands of dollars/month) for very little time investment on your part. Have a look at the site, and let me know what you think: http://newslines.org/about/

"In the books" for "The Wars to Come" Edit

Since we already got a pretty complete synopsis of the premiere, I'm writing the "In the books" section, which will of course remain off the wiki until the episode airs. I just wanted to get ahead of it, because there are many details which are often only added months later, since scenes often have dialogue and events from many different chapters. For example, Cersei's scenes in this episode are taken from Cersei I (she awakes to discover that Tywin is dead), Cersei II (Tywin's wake, meeting Lancel), Cersei VI (meeting the High Sparrow for the first time) and Cersei VIII (the Maggy flashback is recounted in full first in this chapter, even if it was alluded to earlier.) So, if you're interested to see the work in progress, I'd share it here or in my page. If you want, of course. —ArticXiongmao (talk) 12:06, March 19, 2015 (UTC)

1 - Only go in broad strokes.

2 - Only give episode spoilers on the separate "Differences between books and TV series" page (though this is interlinked).

3 - Obviously, we won't know the full details until the episode actually airs...--The Dragon Demands (talk) 14:13, March 19, 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for the guidance ;) Of course, it will be considered a work in progress until the episode is released. I'm sure many things were missed in these summaries. I've already posted it in my own account's Talk page. What do you think? —ArticXiongmao (talk) 14:34, March 19, 2015 (UTC)


Overall good, though the Jon XI parts seem more based on the TV description than how the books did it (Jon doesn't talk to Stannis atop the Wall).--The Dragon Demands (talk) 14:50, March 19, 2015 (UTC)

I didn't remember that at all either, and it's not specified in the asoiaf wiki, that's how it happens. I looked it up in my e-book, and indeed that's how it is. —ArticXiongmao (talk) 14:59, March 19, 2015 (UTC)

If you can't confirm exact details be vague, i.e. just "Jon talks to Stannis about what to do with Mance and the wildlings."--The Dragon Demands (talk) 15:02, March 19, 2015 (UTC)

Oh, I confirmed it, don't worry. I looked it up:

“The king would speak with you, Jon Snow.”
Jon thrust the practice sword into the earth. “Might I be allowed to change? I am in no fit state to stand before a king.”
“We shall await you atop the Wall,” said Melisandre. 
[...]
Melisandre was waiting for him at the base of the Wall. She had sent her queen’s men away. “What does His Grace want of me?” Jon asked her as they entered the cage.
“All you have to give, Jon Snow. He is a king.”
He shut the door and pulled the bell cord. The winch began to turn. They rose. 
[...]
They found Stannis Baratheon standing alone at the edge of the Wall, brooding over the field where he had won his battle, and the great green forest beyond.

I also didn't remember Jon having "Mance" shot so he didn't suffer, but it did happen. The only difference being that in the show Jon'll shot him himself —ArticXiongmao (talk) 15:04, March 19, 2015 (UTC)

Userbox Edit

Any clue as to why the Night's Watch userbox on my page has stopped displaying properly?--The White Winged Fury 15:53, March 19, 2015 (UTC)

...that's been happening in a couple of galleries, actually. I've noticed it on the Heraldry and Costumes pages. Some days, one image will randomly stop displaying properly, but be okay again hours later. I think it might be server strain or something but I don't really know.
...keep an eye on it and tell us if it's still not displaying properly in a few days.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 15:55, March 19, 2015 (UTC)
Okay, will do. Thanks.--The White Winged Fury 16:02, March 19, 2015 (UTC)
It's displaying fine now. Thanks.--The White Winged Fury 14:14, March 22, 2015 (UTC)

laptop issues Edit

im sending this from my mobile, as my laptop has clapped out. i'm trying to get it fixed but wanted you to know that any absence on my part over the next few days/weeks is a result of this. please pass this onto our colleagues, and please bear with me. regards, patrick

--Crud. I've been there before.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 19:28, March 19, 2015 (UTC)

House Martell's youngest son Edit

In "What is Dead May Never Die", Tyrion describes the as of yet unnamed Trystane as House Martell's youngest son, not Doran Martell's youngest son, as it's claimed in the "In the books" section of Trystane's page, quoting Elio Garcia.

"I'm brokering an alliance with House Martell of Dorne. Princess Myrcella will wed their youngest son when she comes of age, ensuring their loyalty and their army should we need it" —Tyrion Lannister to Grand Maester Pycelle.

Why does it matter? There's a big difference. The latter implies Doran himself has other children, which he doesn't have in season five; the former simply means Tyrion will marry Myrcella to the most age-aproproiate male member of the Martell family—that is, House Martell's youngest son. Though I'm sure they weren't planning to cut both Arianne and Quentyn back in Season 2, they worded it very carefully so that, if they did, it never became a continuity issue. And it isn't, thankfully ;) —ArticXiongmao (talk) 19:26, March 19, 2015 (UTC)


...that's just taking exact words to an extreme. The spirit of the statement was obvious.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 19:29, March 19, 2015 (UTC)

Well, of course. That's why it isn't "technically" a continuity issue. If we're going to accuse them of a continuity mistake, we have to be factual. It was carefully worded, vaguely worded, precisely so that there couldn't be mistakes in the future. Doran's name wasn't even mentioned, let alone Trystane's. It's not just names; Tyrion doesn't even allude to the Prince of Dorne, just the House, the family, and their youngest male member, not specifically Doran's youngest son. That's a fact. It's not taking exact words to the extreme, when their ruling Prince wasn't even referenced. The "spirit" of the statement was only obvious in the meaning we though it had for book readers; but it also fits the current show canon. Fits both perfectly. —ArticXiongmao (talk) 19:31, March 19, 2015 (UTC)

No.

As an Administrator-level policy decision, this line was obviously referring to Doran. Even Westeros.org pointed it out.

Drop the issue. Do not even mention it in articles. It's simply a continuity error.

I also think it is incongruent to be instructed on the meaning of exact words by someone whose primary language isn't English (I think?)--The Dragon Demands (talk) 19:44, March 19, 2015 (UTC)

I'm just saying we were reading into it as book readers. Anyway, we'll see how it plays out when season five starts. English is my second language, true... so? Can you bother to explain how that sentence does NOT fit the current canon, instead of throwing ad hominems? For us book readers, the line implied otherwise, but it doesn't contradict the current canon. How is it a contunity issue? Please explain it to me. Still, don't worry, I'm not going to edit anything, that's why I asked you here instead of changing it myself, I knew you may take umbrage. —ArticXiongmao (talk) 19:49, March 19, 2015 (UTC)

Actually the level of English comprehension in this instance is fine - the vague level of interpretation and such. I shouldn't have brought that up it is irrelevant here.

...The writers have been intentionally vague before in Season 2, if their line "Stannis has no sons" is any indication (they made sure to word it so they could later say he has a daughter).

...don't make mention of it unless or until we get a specific quote from the writers themselves, specifically saying "we said "youngest son" in Season 2 to be intentionally vague, because that could be interpreted as "youngest male member" of their family". --The Dragon Demands (talk) 19:52, March 19, 2015 (UTC)

Gotcha. As I said, wasn't going to change anything myself, don't worry ;) —ArticXiongmao (talk) 19:54