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== Promotion ==
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== Episodes leaked ==
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Just so you know, the first few episodes have leaked. From the screeners, one assumes. They're all over the torrent sites. So we should probably prepare for a lot of people trying to add photos from it, or information from the episodes, which is based on illegitimate means of acquiring the episodes. Anyway, thought you should know. —[[User:ArticXiongmao|ArticXiongmao]] ([[User talk:ArticXiongmao|talk]]) 02:22, April 12, 2015 (UTC) 
   
I've upgraded you to admin. This will allow you to help with blocking vandals, altering certain limited pages and so on. Congrats, your work on the wiki has been very good :-) --[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] ([[User talk:Werthead|talk]]) 15:10, February 26, 2013 (UTC)
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'''''BY THE RAGING FURY OF THE *SKY DEMON*,'' THIS AFFRONT WILL NOT GO UNANSWERED.'''--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 02:29, April 12, 2015 (UTC)
   
"There is difference between a grub<br />
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: Dear God in heaven...--[[User:Ser Patrek|Ser Patrek]] ([[User talk:Ser Patrek|talk]]) 08:15, April 12, 2015 (UTC)
and a butterfly; yet your butterfly was a grub.<br />
 
'''This Martius is grown from man to Dragon''':<br />
 
he has wings; he is more than a creeping thing."
 
::-- ''Coriolanus'', Act V, Scene IV
 
   
Here do I swear fealty and service to the ''Game of Thrones Wiki'', and to Werthead the Founder and head Administrator of the Wiki: to speak and to be silent, to do and to let be, to come and to go, in need or plenty, in peace or war, in living or dying, from this hour henceforth, until my lord release me, or death take me, or the world end.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 18:42, February 26, 2013 (UTC)
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== Heads up ==
   
== Layouts ==
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HBO Canada aired the premiere last night by mistake - it was all over the fileshare sites before anyone could stop it... - {{Xanderen/signature}} 12:04, April 23, 2016 (UTC)
   
You and me both! lol I had no idea how to do it, and couldn't find anyone, so I got the staff to help. :) {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 22:34, February 27, 2013 (UTC)
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.....''(Long, silent pause)''....
   
==Iron Price and Old Way==
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I believe the Old Way is the more wide concept, which includes the "iron price", and it has been openly established in the House Greyjoy featurette. What do you think, separate articles or "Iron Price" as a subsection of the Old Way?--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 19:38, March 3, 2013 (UTC)
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Burn them all.
:The problem is that the Starks also call the Old Gods "the Old Way", in dialogue on-screen (episode 1, Bran answers Ned that Ned had to personally execute a Night's Watch deserter, because "our way is the Old Way"). It's vague enough that I think it may be better to put all of the ironborn info onto "Iron Price" (noting that they call the overall pattern "the old way"), but make a disambiguation page noting that this could refer to either the Old Gods of the North, or the ironborn raiding lifestyle.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 21:06, March 3, 2013 (UTC)
 
:: I have placed the irnonborn Old Way - which mirrors AWoIAF - under "Old Way (ironborn)", just in case.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 21:36, March 3, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== House Front Page Game ==
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--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 12:24, April 23, 2016 (UTC)
 
Porterfield is someone who works at Wikia, and there's a big effort by Wikia to publicise the Wiki at the moment as noted on the blog entry. Whether this is a good thing or not is up for debate: Boy Who Cried Direwolf has already pointed out several major flaws with it. It's also worth noting that the Wiki generates an absolute ton of hits and traffic for Wikia (and thus advertising revenue), especially during the time the show is on-air, so clearly they want to get in on that to advertise Wikia as a whole. However, we are also only able to do the work on the Wiki that we do because of Wikia providing the service, so giving something back to them seems reasonable, as long as it does not disrupt the Wiki itself too much.--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] ([[User talk:Werthead|talk]]) 10:34, March 6, 2013 (UTC)
 
:I'm sorry, I didn't realize this was a wikia-wide cross-promotion sort of thing (my criticisms were basically those off the Boy: having it on our front page would make people sign up just to compete then leave). But I didn't realize this was bigger than I thought it was. I guess I associated it with that girl who came on here trying to get us to sign up for her own fan awards despite never contributing, but this is different.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 15:57, March 7, 2013 (UTC)
 
::Why was it removed off the main page? Anything that is ever removed off the main page should be discussed (within reason of course). Something like that however, a slider created by a staff member, should not be removed. Will it be returning?
 
{{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 16:06, March 7, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
:::I removed it because it wasn't discussed with us first.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 16:08, March 7, 2013 (UTC)
 
::::It's pretty safe to say that if the wikia staff created it, it's safe to keep on the main page. {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 16:10, March 7, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
==Redundant pic==
 
Made a mistake. Didn't notice that this pic was already uploaded so just wondering if you or somebody wouldn't mind deleting it. Thanks in advance. http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/File:Title_sequence_the_twins.png [[User:CestWhat|CestWhat]] ([[User talk:CestWhat|talk]]) 18:59, March 13, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
==Foresight==
 
I just discovered that you can protect uncreated articles.[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 02:14, March 14, 2013 (UTC)
 
:I was not aware. Then without delay, delete the article in question and protect its uncreated space.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 02:15, March 14, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
==Kingsguard Season 3==
 
 
Please, check the new forum on Kingsguard members in Season 3. Input would be appreciated.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 15:25, March 18, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Hello from Wikia! ==
 
 
We've noticed the great work you've done on Game of Thrones Wiki and we were wondering if you have five minutes for a Skype chat this week. We have a couple of fun Wikia opportunities coming up, and we wanted to share them with you to get your input. Please message me back if you're interested. Thank you! 
 
 
[[User:Cshannon|Cshannon]] ([[User talk:Cshannon|talk]]) 13:17, March 19, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Duplicate blogs ==
 
 
Hi Dragon.
 
 
If I may, I'd recommend deleting duplicate blogs, such as [http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Savannah_Star/Season_3! this]. The Wikia staff have already created a "what will happen in season 3" blog, and allowing users to start multiple ones will result in the recent activity page being reduced to an un-navigable mess of shallow, inane comments.--[[File:The Boy Who Cried Direwolf white.png|250px|link=User:The Boy Who Cried Direwolf]][[File:Direwolf sig.png|40px|link=User talk:The Boy Who Cried Direwolf]] 17:59, March 21, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Irri's departure ==
 
 
Acharia has said very clearly on Reddit that the visa issue has been overcome and she could have stayed on the show easily, but the writers decided she should go. Have clarified that on the relevant pages. We can go back to being grumpy at Dan and Dave for the decision :) --[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] ([[User talk:Werthead|talk]]) 11:35, March 24, 2013 (UTC)
 
:...Darn them. And Jhiqui has vanished into the ether.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 14:51, March 24, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
How does it work with the 'In the books' category. Which kind of info may be put in there to still be.. true to the series. I'm obviously new to editing anything on wikia :] [[User:Grumphy|Grumphy]] ([[User talk:Grumphy|talk]]) 21:23, March 24, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Oh okay...thanks for your effort..."in the books" is supposed to be SPOILER FREE but relevant information from the books; it ceases to be a spoiler if the TV series outpaced it. For example, Joffrey's humiliation of Sansa in the courtroom in the fourth episode of season 2 was much more graphic in the books, so we might explain how that was done differently. Oh, just general background information that the books gave about the characters that the TV show hasn't yet but doesn't "spoil" anything. Just try and we'll correct stuff and you'll learn by example. When in doubt....if you're unsure of what to add, logically, don't add hundreds of posts a day (some idiot a few months back would make hundreds of bad edits a day to "in the books" while ''admitting'' that he didn't know what he was doing. This wasnt' "learning" this was "ignoring our warnings".
 
Well, for that information you posted about Rhaegar for example (sorry I yelled) that stuff about his personality or appearance would go under "in the books" - it doesn't really spoil anything to say he enjoyed reading and was quite scholarly before taking up the sword, etc. This is "public knowledge" you see; but shocking revelations about Rhaegar from later books should not be put in (i.e. you really shouldn't bring up Jon Connington at this point). --[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 21:45, March 24, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Thanks for your answer. I see now, and ofcourse no problem about the yelling. I understand it must be frustrating to see newcomers make bad edits while the rules have grown custom to you. I would really like to edit a few of those 'In the books' categories and will keep in mind what to write and what not to. Ofcourse I won't make many at the same time and I'll check if anyone changes what I wrote. I would really like to contribute to this wikia as I've been using it for a long time and this seems like a great opportunity to learn and keep expanding my knowledge of GoT. Again, thanks for your time and I promiss to do better in the future. [[User:Grumphy|Grumphy]] ([[User talk:Grumphy|talk]]) 23:50, March 24, 2013 (UTC)                                                                   
 
 
== TV!Alayaya ==
 
I don't think she appears. It would be too much of a stretch in speculation.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 23:34, March 24, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
:I suppose so. Well, could we use a screenshot of her on the "Summer Islands" page?--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 23:40, March 24, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Macumba ==
 
 
Yup, actually. We can certainly have an article about it (it falls into the same category as grumpkins and snarks, or legendary stories). Once S3 kicks in, we can even bring in a comment about the proper giants in the world and how Macumba doesn't fit their description). Also, it doesn't matter if it's not mentioned in the books. If it's mentioned in the TV show, that's fair enough. I actually had a good thought on the canon/continuity differences between the two shows: GAME OF THRONES is the Marvel Ultimates version of ASoIaF. The same story and characters, but completely separate from the original with the freedom to do its own thing if it wants.--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] ([[User talk:Werthead|talk]]) 22:07, March 26, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== CestWhat ==
 
I just saw that you decided to go ahead and block him.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 19:11, March 28, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
:Yes, things were on a downward course. Particularly right before the Season 3 premiere, we don't need this. I did what had to be done. Well...do you disagree? You said he had strikes. If I misunderstood and you don't think he should remain banned, I will not oppose you.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 19:48, March 28, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
==Knights and nobility==
 
Knights are not considered to be nobility, but they have their own set of rights and privileges which are similar. They have the right to trial by combat and landed knights have the rights of laws and gallows (i.e. to set rules on their land which do not contravene the king's law and to execute criminals for heinous offences). In theory, a knight, even a hedge knight, should still be treated with respect and courtesy by everyone, although in practice a hedge knight will be looked down upon by a sworn sword or a lord. Being a knight is something of a big deal in Westeros (as seen by Ser Hugh refusing to talk even to the personal representative of the Hand of the King in Season 1 because he's not a knight), but not as big as being a proper lord.--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] ([[User talk:Werthead|talk]]) 10:50, March 29, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Chat ==
 
 
Chat? :) {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 00:28, March 30, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== 50 mins! ==
 
 
Are you excited?!! Ah, FINALLY time for Season 3! :) {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 00:10, April 1, 2013 (UTC)
 
:Actually I'm enraged. Ch'Vyalthan took enough time from us (combined with CestWhat's pestering this past week) that we have a lot of work to do that we didn't finish. I do *loosely* have all of the Culture stuff I wanted to get up, well most of it (though it needs quotes and images). I kept putting off revamping the Dragons article for months; I want to lock it (every yahoo anonymous IP editor comes on to edit the shiny dragons article "because dragons are cool!", randomly inserts some sentences without realizing they're redundant, then leaves never to edit again. Also why I've at least blocked all of the major character articles from anonymous editing - seriously, the "Robb, Jon, Tyrion, Arya, Daenerys, Dragons" crowd buzzing the wiki just goof up the rest of us. (sigh) -- I should be done fixing up all the Culture stuff and such soon enough, but I haven't been able to rewatch the first two seasons "with a fine toothed comb", pausing scene by scene to squeeze every ounce of info out of them (I only just finished "Lord Snow"). I can't wait for episode 9 of Season 3, that's when all the shallow fans will get their surprise - the folks on Entertainment Weekly or blogs or whatever that only watch the show because it's "watercooler TV" or for the sex scenes; they have no idea what this story is.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]])
 
::I haven't read the books yet, but I am up-to-date on them and know the spoilers. The wedding scene is going to be rough! Do you think we should go ahead and lock/protect some main pages? {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 00:23, April 1, 2013 (UTC)
 
Also, do you think we should change the "Episodes" tab up top? Remove "Pilot Episode" so that "Season 3" link can fit? {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 00:29, April 1, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::Oh seriously! Wow. I am so excited! Yeah, I noticed her dragon's had more "bad-ass" moments than Dany actually did. lol {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 00:33, April 1, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Yes. Anyone who wants to compare the pilot episode would be reading the article on "Winter is Coming" and see the link to "previous episode". By the way, I was interested in creating a new top-level tab on "Culture and Society" separate from "Episodes" and "Characters" so casual fans will find those easier (I suspect that most of them just click on "Tyrion Lannister" and the title of the most current episode - how would they even find "Faith of the Seven"?) - but I have no idea how to do that.
 
Oh Dany gets "badass" moments independent of the dragons in book 3 -- well the dragons are cooler than ever and they are an extension of her, but we're not just staring at CGI dragons anymore; her story picks up. Remember: ''the idiot hands her the whip''. He handed her the god-damned whip. Dear god I couldn't tell if I was laughing or crying.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 00:37, April 1, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
LOL! Oh man, I cannot wait! 20 more minutes. I'm so excited, but then I remember, before we know it... Season 3 will be over too :( I went ahead and protected [[Valar Dohaeris]] as well. For now, I will go ahead and remove the pilot tab and add Season 3- we can work on the others later :) {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 00:42, April 1, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
==Races==
 
 
I think a culture template infobox would be more accurate for human peoples. For example, it is implied that Dothraki and Lhazareen pretty much share teh same racial background, but their cultures are different.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 02:03, April 1, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Question ==
 
 
I noticed one of the soldiers at Harrenhal had an X broach on his armor. I know I've seen Joffrey torchering a guy, while chained/roped up in an X shape. What does a man on an X mean? {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 06:23, April 1, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
==Valar Dohaeris locked==
 
I would have added a cast list to the episode, if the episode was not locked. If you want people to add something you have to unlock the page. I can see every episode page is locked.--[[User:Mesmermann|Mesmermann]] ([[User talk:Mesmermann|talk]]) 17:14, April 1, 2013 (UTC)
 
:Oh thanks for reminding me; it was locked to prevent knee-jerk over-editing during the hype of the season premiere night. I have unlocked it now.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 17:25, April 1, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Hi! ==
 
 
Hi there! I know the message you sent me was automatic, but thanks! But there's one thing I need help with also. I was looking through pages to see if they needed any editing and I came across the [[Sophie Turner]] page and I was about to edit it, but it was locked. Could you unlock it, please? Thanks again! :) {{SUBST:User:Lily!/sig}} 20:11, April 1, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Admins who are inactive ==
 
 
Have you noticed we have a few Admins who have been inactive for quite sometime. Should they continue to be Admins? What is your take on it? {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 02:23, April 2, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
:...I am deeply angered that they essentially abandoned us to suffer the deprivations of Ch'Vyalthan's Reign of Terror from October to January Fall 2012. The question is not "if" an inactive Administrator should continue in their position, but "how long" of an inactive period warrants removing their Adminship.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 02:50, April 2, 2013 (UTC)
 
::I agree. LordofOnions is about 2 years inactive and KarinS is a year. Should we bring this to Werthead? {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 03:00, April 2, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::Indeed.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 03:01, April 2, 2013 (UTC)
 
::::I am also asking the staff to change the word "Admin" on our profiles, to "Knight" :) {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 03:14, April 2, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
I don't think we should change the name; I've seen problems with this on other wikis that take on specific in-universe names for Admins or Moderators. Titles like "Administrator" or "Moderator" are universal and carry weight when you're chewing people out. Fansites that call their Admins "Rangers" or "Wizards" etc., the title doesn't carry the same weight anymore.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 03:19, April 2, 2013 (UTC)
 
:Really? I've never seen a problem with it before, and I've had it on several Wikis. Hmm. Well if they do change it, and it causes an issue, we can always change it back {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 03:26, April 2, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
:Real life often gets in the way of contributions. People get into relationships, get new jobs that are exhausting, or simply lose their passion for a project after putting tons of work into it. I'm certainly grateful to those admins and former contributors who did lots of work who, for whatever reason, are no longer contributing. If they also executed the position of admin well before in the past, I see no problem with them retaining the position if and when they return. Certainly I've been highly active on wikis in the past and have essentially given up on them to work on this one, but intermittently return to work on the others when I have the time. I see no reason to remove admin powers from anyone unless they are actually abusing them.--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] ([[User talk:Werthead|talk]]) 11:23, April 12, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
For example, and as QueenBuffy knows, I am the Bureaucrat of Buffyverse Wiki, but have taken a long break because mantaining that site was a lot of work, and chose to contribute here. I don't know when I'll go back there.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 15:57, April 12, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Well okay if Queenbuffy has nothing else to say either, then nevermind.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 17:56, April 14, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
==Descriptions==
 
 
I was wondering about certain adjective vocab words on some pages. For example: in the Daenerys Targaryen article, the image states drogon is the size of a small dog, but in the description you wrote he is the size of a large dog''S''. i dont want to undo your change, but i do think it would be better to have consistency between the image text and the article text, also, Drogon is the size of a small dog, not a large one, it says so in the books (chapter 27) and also simply from common sense.[[User:Darklarik|Noc noc... whos their? Darknesssss]] ([[User talk:Darklarik|talk]]) 14:53, April 2, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
:Oh...I had intended to write "large dog" one every article, and if that was inconsistent it was a mistake. I'm a cat person so I kind of forget just how large dogs can get (St. Bernards, Mastiffs, etc.). If the books stated "small dogs", then yes we should say "small dogs" in our descriptions ( I remember from ''A Clash of Kings'' that Dany points out that Dragons seem a lot bigger than they actually are, because they're creatures of mostly wing, neck, and tail; their body cores are much smaller - which they'd kind of have to be, to in any way plausibly be able to carry their own weight in flight).--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 15:08, April 2, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Family name ==
 
 
On the SSM section of Westeros.org - the site is down again right now - GRRM actually outlines how surnames work in Westeros. Basically, there are no hard and fast rules. A woman from a powerful family might choose to keep her name if marrying into a less powerful one, explaining Cersei; Robert might be king, but the Lannisters are richer, older and more powerful by themselves than the Baratheons. OTOH, the Starks and Arryns are far more ancient, powerful and richer than the Tullys, so Cat and Lysa change their surnames. With equal families there might be a bit of give or take between them. This doesn't really help with the Talisa situation though, since the rules for changing names between Westerosi and Essosi marriages have never been established. Talisa now being called "Talisa Maegyr Stark" might be the best course, since, even if she is related to the ruling Maegyrs of Volantis, the Starks are still considerably more ancient (Winterfell having been founded 3,000 years earlier even than Valyria).--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] ([[User talk:Werthead|talk]]) 17:50, April 2, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Split Battle of the Camps from Whispering Wood ==
 
 
I was wondering, since you're one of the main contributors of Battle of the Whispering Wood article, if you could extract the "the Camps" info from it and create the Battle of the Camps article?--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 18:12, April 4, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
==Dark Wings, Dark Word Locked==
 
Will you open [[Dark Wings, Dark Words]] when the episode aires because I want to add cast credits to the episode. Thanks.
 
 
--[[User:Mesmermann|Mesmermann]] ([[User talk:Mesmermann|talk]]) 19:14, April 7, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
==CestWhat sockpuppets==
 
I'll deal with them myself.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 21:11, April 11, 2013 (UTC)
 
:Damn, you went ahead... I wanted to showcase their flayed skins on my hall. Oh well--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 21:14, April 11, 2013 (UTC)
 
::Sockpuppets count as one person, they don't get new spikes on the wall.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 21:17, April 11, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
::: You know, I was under the impression that "Quotablecharacters" was Ch'vyalthan reincarnated.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 21:23, April 11, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
::::I lay awake at night afraid that LovelyChrys, Ch'Vyalthan, and CestWhat are going to band together to form their own Legion of Doom (like an out of universe House Blackfyre). But they lack conviction.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 21:26, April 11, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
OMG DD now THAT is hilarious. Legion of Doom&Gloom! lol {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 18:16, April 12, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
:::::I do imagine CestWhat getting annoyed with Ch'vyalthan's not understanding anything while Chrys tries to make everyting all about her, and then yelling "I'm surrounded by idiots".
 
 
== User:Astapor ==
 
 
Another CestWhat sockpuppet, I think. First few edits have been fiddling around with the "''née''" in female character intros.--[[File:The Boy Who Cried Direwolf white.png|250px|link=User:The Boy Who Cried Direwolf]][[File:Direwolf sig.png|40px|link=User talk:The Boy Who Cried Direwolf]] 17:22, April 14, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== House Lannister ==
 
 
Oh, they have always been my favorite... I don't know why it took me so long to update my home page! lol {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 01:16, April 15, 2013 (UTC)
 
:In the trailer for [[And Now His Watch is Ended]], do you know who the character is, who is wearing the eye patch? I have a good screencap of him. {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 04:55, April 15, 2013 (UTC)
 
::I believe that is Beric Dondarrion, leader of the Brotherhood Without Banners.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 04:57, April 15, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::Ahh, you guys are so smart!!!! {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 05:08, April 15, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
==Whores from the books==
 
I clearly heard "Marei". Don't remember well the other two.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 02:54, April 15, 2013 (UTC)
 
:Problem is that I'd only be spelling them phonetically. Funny thing is I heard complaints that there was "a lot of nudity" in this episode, but to be honest, I think it's not too bad so long as 1 - It's an established, canon couple (Robb/Talisa - why was there no Eddard/Catelyn as in the books?), or 2 - it's an actual brothel with "customers". Some of the "sexposition" scenes strained credibility. But "Tyrion and Bronn reward Pod with a trip to Littlefinger's brothel" - plausible enough without ''inventing'' new..."scenarios". --[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 03:00, April 15, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Character bios ==
 
 
Remember that these should be concise summaries of the characters' actions, not hyper-detailed narrations of entire scenes.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 17:23, April 15, 2013 (UTC)
 
:Yes, I know, thank you for making the Missandei article more concise; when I'm in a hurry I just write all I can and don't focus on concision (the logic being that it's easy to cut extra stuff out later).--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 17:24, April 15, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Josephine Gillan as Marei==
 
 
Good work on spotting she's the "new prostitute" in Season 2... could you please merge the two articles while I work on "Kayla".--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 17:26, April 15, 2013 (UTC)
 
:Oh I wasn't the one that noticed that. I'll get on the characters...--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 17:27, April 15, 2013 (UTC)
 
::Oh, if it wasn't you then lets make sure this is accurate.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 18:17, April 15, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Greetings ==
 
 
Just wanted to mention- I know you are tired of seeing the same ol' mistakes from editors, but remember to try and remain friendly. Your tone can come off rather "harsh" and we want to keep contributors coming back here :) {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 06:00, April 16, 2013 (UTC)
 
:Oh, okay.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 17:06, April 16, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Princes in the Tower ==
 
 
I think there may be an echo of them there, but much more overt is the reference of the 'Princesses in the Tower', King Baelor's sisters whom he locked in the Maidenvault of the Red Keep so they would not tempt him to carnal thoughts. They had a happier ending though :) --[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] ([[User talk:Werthead|talk]]) 07:08, April 16, 2013 (UTC)
 
:The phrase, yes, but Richard III didn't exactly lock up Edward V to prevent him from tempting him with carnal thoughts.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 17:07, April 16, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Spare time we don't have. ==
 
 
I know we don't really have "spare" time, but if you happen to find some, I could use some help going through these uncategorized files and either delete them, or categorize them properly. I figured if we all do a little here and there, they will eventually get finished :) [http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Special:UncategorizedFiles Special:UncategorizedFiles] {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 20:14, April 16, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Interview with talent from Game of Thrones ==
 
 
Hi, Please let fans know that I did an interview with Michele Clapton, who designs the beautiful costumes for Game of Thrones. It can be read at  [http://thecmagaznineonline.com http://thecmagaznineonline.]com
 
 
Thanks,
 
 
Brenda[[Special:Contributions/71.62.18.144|71.62.18.144]] 23:45, April 16, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
==Ships==
 
There's only one ship they have at all, which filled in as Theon's ship at the start of Season 2, Black Betha, Fury and Daenerys's ship as well. They actually wanted to build two of different designs and sizes so they could vary it up, but HBO said no.--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] ([[User talk:Werthead|talk]]) 15:26, April 18, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
==Gybeding==
 
Another sockpuppet??--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 05:02, April 21, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Contacting Wikia Staff ==
 
 
You should be able to find an appropriate link to them [http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contact Here]. Someone will contact you via email or through this Wikia page within 2 business days usually. {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 05:12, April 21, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
==Dragon Titles==
 
While i do belive Daenerys's Dragons should still be named after there book names, some people might not know them, and thus search them under the names "Black Dragon", "Green Dragon", and "White Dragon". Is there anyway to make it so if someone searches said names it redirects to them? Like adding to there articles "Drogon, also know as the black dragon" as an example.[[User:Darklarik|Noc noc... whos their? Darknesssss]] ([[User talk:Darklarik|talk]]) 08:53, April 21, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Small Council Image ==
 
 
If you look at the image details here: [[File:Small Council meeting.png]]
 
You will see that his image was on lots of other pages. You may want to go through them and delete the broken links; or restore the image and mess with it later. Just wanted to give ya heads up :) {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 17:54, April 21, 2013 (UTC)
 
:Oh crud. Thanks for the headsup I'll check out the other pages.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 17:57, April 21, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
==Spammer==
 
Yo, i think this guy: http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/49.145.54.90
 
 
Put a bunch of links on the new episode article, they are spam. 
 
   
 
==Locked page==
 
==Locked page==
It's hard for me to edit [[And Now His Watch is Ended]] when it's locked. Wll you please unlock it.--[[User:Mesmermann|Mesmermann]] ([[User talk:Mesmermann|talk]]) 02:33, April 22, 2013 (UTC)
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Why is the season 6 premiere locked? Is it to prevent the spoilers? I wanted to like help out and make a couple tweaks while watching the opening and end credits cause some people may not be included. [[User:S hannon434|S hannon434]] ([[User talk:S hannon434|talk]]) 00:42, April 25, 2016 (UTC)
:Sorry, sorry; as you can see from the above post, people kept vandalizing it.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 02:52, April 22, 2013 (UTC)
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:We don't edit live, that gets too messy. We unlock it the instant it finishes airing. Keep notes, that's what I do.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 01:01, April 25, 2016 (UTC)
 
== And now his watch is ended ==
 
 
Just finished the episode... one word. WOW! You were right about Dany! That was just amazing! {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 06:12, April 22, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
:I told you: book 3 is why people ''are'' Daenerys fans, not even the book 1 Dothraki stuff so much (as a guy, the whole "swept away by fierce barbarian whom I nonetheless master with seduction" pulp trashy romance novel storyline kind of stuff....I really don't grasp very well. But that's why I didn't think to make a Dany/Drogo page...). The idiot hands her the whip. Oh god you should have seen this in the books: the cat-o-nine-tails they give her has razor-blades stuck at the ends so it will really tear flesh off of any slave you hit with it: after saying "a dragon is no slave", Daenerys punctuates this by quickly slashing the whip across Kraznys' face....ripping a ''large amount'' of Kraznys' flesh off his face. TV show chose not to do that, eh, might have been too much for TV.
 
 
:From here on out, this Targaryen party is going on tour.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 06:18, April 22, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
::I cannot wait! That ending gave me chills!!! It was AHHH, just so great! BTW, I noticed you've been blocking a lot of users who may or may not be CestWhat. We need to somehow be really sure it's the sockpuppet before blocking. I'd hate if we blocked innocent editors. Oh, I was really surprised by Joer's death too! I didn't see that coming! {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 07:22, April 22, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
:::They follow an insultingly similar pattern: no one else is really editing dialogue templates and working on family trees, I mean *new* users don't just jump on and start doing that. So far, anyway, no one has followed up by complaining (using anonymous IP address) that their account was banned for no reason; pretty sure it was actually CestWhat each time.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 00:32, April 24, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Certain bastard ==
 
 
Soo.. from what we've learned from the fourth episode this season, do you think it's safe to unite the pages of certain character and certain Boy, or do you think that we stil need a confirmation? [http://25.media.tumblr.com/afeea73200a272d1ef43d189a92d5aad/tumblr_mln127cUuE1qhnk1to2_500.gif]--[[User:Blaublau94|KIWIBOλ]] ([[User talk:Blaublau94|talk]]) 21:45, April 24, 2013 (UTC)
 
:I think it would still be a spoiler by this point. Perhaps after "[[Kissed by Fire]]" we'll be able to merge them. {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 20:44, April 22, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
::We've all known who is who since before Season 3 began. It's not a matter of if "we" fans know: the wiki needs to be spoiler-free for fans who haven't read the books. Similarly, when Season 1 began, we couldn't just write "Joffrey isn't really Robert's son", that was obvious, but had to wait until the show actually revealed it. So until we hear "the name" on screen, we can't use it - heck, his name hasn't actually appeared in dialogue at all yet; his dad refers to "his bastard" but that's it.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 00:00, April 24, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
::His name is mentioned in a letter, but lets keep it that way for now.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 00:04, April 24, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::While they did release a good official photo of that letter in the "Inside the Episode" feature, it wasn't visible on-screen. Again the casual fans don't really pay attention to such things.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 00:07, April 24, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Skinner ==
 
 
That's what I've been saying about all of the characters who don't have names who've been given them on the wiki :) For this one in particular, I have no idea. Mago was explicitly named on-screen and then killed off (when he's set to reappear, apparently in a fairly major way, in Book 6). Who knows what's going on with Marillion? So the character being killed off has no real bearing on whether he's the book character or not. In this instance I'd call him Master Torturer until we get any more confirmation.--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] ([[User talk:Werthead|talk]]) 09:26, April 24, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
:We aren't sure if Marillion is dead.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 13:28, April 24, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Hello, a question, doing various proofreading for english errors I did find some and wanted to fix them. I have found the pages locked and would like to know if I am a registered user? Is there a reveal somewhere as to what pages are locked for editing? Thank-you, Susan Ae[[User:Susan Ae|Susan Ae]] ([[User talk:Susan Ae|talk]]) 16:17, April 24, 2013 (UTC)
 
:oh...we locked some of the major character pages because we had problems with people posting spoilers in them, i.e. "Robb Stark". We can't really lift the protection right now (though if there's a huge problem I guess you could point it out on an article's talk page).--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 16:31, April 24, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
==Season links==
 
Oh, really? I thought that was a general faux pas. I'll go correct any that I removed. Thanks for the heads up!
 
:http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/xraydeltaone/images/b/b2/Siggy4.png '''@'''<staff/> <small>([[User:XD1|profile]])•([[User talk:XD1|talk]])•([[Special:Emailuser/XD1|email]])</small> 17:25, April 24, 2013 (UTC)
 
::well, uh (embarassed) I don't ''know'' if that's the format Werthead wants us to use, I just sort of assumed all this time that it was.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 17:29, April 24, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
:::Yeah, I always put links in the headers, since if you don't, you then need to then put a link in the body text underneath, which can result in awkward and redundant phrasing ("Season 2: In <nowiki>[[Season 2]]</nowiki> the character blah blah") rather than just getting on with the entry.--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] ([[User talk:Werthead|talk]]) 11:45, May 10, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Links to AWoIAF ==
 
 
at the end of "(spoilers from the books)." you don't need to add a period. Its not a sentence, just a phrase, like a headline.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 18:44, April 24, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
==Thanks for the info==
 
Iv have heard about the spoilers that you wrote before, but thanks anyway. My question mainly aimed at the Stak family. Was is it or going to be totaly eliminated? replaced and so on. I understand it is more than just about that family that everything is combined in the story. Anyway despite the negative acts and defeat -  still cheer and respect the house of stark! '' Thanks''
 
 
 
 
20:58, April 24, 2013 (UTC)Scare Cr0w 
 
 
''I pledge my life and honor to the Night's Watch, for this night and all the nights to come!"''
 
 
==Well done!==
 
You, unlike us at the DowntonAbbey Wiki, have finally managed to deal with CestWhat. I want him gone - and utterly blocked - from the other wiki, but he/she/it never will be.
 
 
I thought I'd just write to congratulate you on doing THE BEST THING EVER![[User:HarryPotterRules1|HarryPotterRules1]] ([[User talk:HarryPotterRules1|talk]]) 21:45, April 25, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Prostitute ==
 
 
What was the prostitute's name that slept with Loras? I have his picture... {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 06:33, April 29, 2013 (UTC)
 
:Olyvar.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 06:37, April 29, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
:: I don't think he was a prostitute, just Loras' squire, who happens to be spying for Littlefinger.--[[File:The Boy Who Cried Direwolf white.png|250px|link=User:The Boy Who Cried Direwolf]][[File:Direwolf sig.png|40px|link=User talk:The Boy Who Cried Direwolf]] 06:49, April 29, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
:::Feel free to make changes as you see fit, but sleeping with someone just for information does seem rather "prostitue-ish" lol {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 07:00, April 29, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Garlan and Willas... ==
 
 
Have both been removed from the updated House Tyrell family tree in the Season 3 Viewer's Guide. Not sure how you want to handle this?--[[File:The Boy Who Cried Direwolf white.png|250px|link=User:The Boy Who Cried Direwolf]][[File:Direwolf sig.png|40px|link=User talk:The Boy Who Cried Direwolf]] 08:28, April 29, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
:They were removed in Season 2, just like Shireen. Tywin's line doesn't deny their existance, just that Loras is the eldest son of Mace.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 15:07, April 29, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
::We're discussing this over on the episode talk page. But yeah, Shireen was also removed as were some other third-tier characters, so I think there's a chance they might later choose to forget that they said he is "the" heir. I've already asked about this in the cargo cult.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 15:12, April 29, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
==Willas and Garlan==
 
The two might not be removed in the series, it could simply be that Loras was made the eldest son rather than Willas.
 
 
[[User:Draevan13|<font face="" color="#000000">'''DRAEVAN13'''</font>]][[File:Targaryen.JPG|26px|link=User talk:Draevan13]] 15:32, April 29, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Hemmlock ==
 
 
How did you know it was another sockpuppet?--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 00:02, May 1, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
:I don't know for sure. I've come to suspect anyone working on family tree templates, because rarely will new users start working on those. I suspect anyone who recently joined the wiki, provides no background information or outside confirmation of identity. Well, new to "wikia" - some people are "new" but have clearly had a long editing history on other Wikia sites, that proves they're not sockpuppets. HOWEVER, my running theory has been that if I ban someone who turns out to not be CestWhat, they'd complain about it. So far, no one has complained, leading me to believe it is indeed Cestwhat.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 02:52, May 1, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Clearen ==
 
 
I'm pretty sure this user is another CestWhat sock-puppet, but I've filed a "check user" request with the Wikia staff, just to make sure. I'm also going to inquire into ways of dealing with her permanently; for example: blocking her actual IP range, and preventing her from editing Wikia in it's entirety. She must be creating dozens of new accounts each week in anticipation of being blocked.--[[File:The Boy Who Cried Direwolf white.png|250px|link=User:The Boy Who Cried Direwolf]][[File:Direwolf sig.png|40px|link=User talk:The Boy Who Cried Direwolf]] 09:01, May 1, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
:I'm completely willing to block the entire geographical region of Toronto if that's what it takes. Indeed, I've been blocking Toronto-based anonymous IP addresses ''on sight'' and will continue to do so. The only reason I haven't is because our blocking tools can't easily be set up to block areas by geographical region. Yes, one bad user can and did "ruin it" for an entire major world city; there will never be another Toronto-based editor on this wiki for the next five seasons that this TV series runs and beyond (unless, they already have a profile on another Wikia site, dating to before 2013, so we know it isn't CestWhat). If the inhabitants of Toronto are upset about this, they should take it up with CestWhat. Until such time as the inhabitants of Toronto ''string up CestWhat from a lamppost''...the entire city must be blocked forever.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 22:02, May 1, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
::She began using a new one MINUTES after I blocked one.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 02:19, May 2, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
::: She's clearly obsessed. Although I wish we could block entire geographical regions - knowing CestWhat - she'd probably move to Azerbaijan, or someplace; anything to continue making minor edits on a wiki whose community wants nothing whatsoever to do with her. Anyway, I was right about Clearen, and I've asked Wikia to check the IP's of some other accounts that have been cropping up recently. At this stage that's all we can do.--[[File:The Boy Who Cried Direwolf white.png|250px|link=User:The Boy Who Cried Direwolf]][[File:Direwolf sig.png|40px|link=User talk:The Boy Who Cried Direwolf]] 09:31, May 2, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
==[[The Rains of Castamere (episode)]]==
 
I will love to add a synopses to the episode, when you and other admins is busy, but it is a little hard to do, when it's locked. I have added a synoses to [[Mhysa]] --[[User:Mesmermann|Mesmermann]] ([[User talk:Mesmermann|talk]]) 15:56, May 4, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Size of Dog ==
 
 
I'm confused by the dragon being size of a "Small Dog". That's a rough description. The dragon's look huge, more like a large dog, not like a small "Beagle" or "terrier". {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 18:09, May 6, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
:Well, in comparison to a mastiff or a St. Bernard. We're talking about the dragon's body core, not the wings. Daenerys specifically points out in the books that dragons are actually a lot smaller than they seem at first, because they're mostly wing, tail, and neck -- they have to be, in order to be light enough that their wings can proportionately give them enough lift to fly at all.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 18:11, May 6, 2013 (UTC)
 
::Ok, that makes sense. I could see them more the size of a Beagle now, rather than a Mastiff lol {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 18:41, May 6, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::Also, how do I block someone "infinite"? I always click on "another length if time" and write in "infinite" but it says "invalid time" or something. {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 18:46, May 6, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
:::Weird... I always type "infinite" and the lockdown prodceeds. Have you tried with "indefinite"
 
 
I will try indefinite next time :) Thanks {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 23:34, May 7, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== "Southerner" ==
 
 
Would you try to add a "Northener" or "Northmen" article?--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 21:41, May 7, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Pixie Le Knot ==
 
 
Not entirely unprecedented: we've had a few edits to the actor articles that seemed to be made either by the actors or friends or family. As long as they do good edits, don't post anything dodgy and, if possible, source things, there's no problem.--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] ([[User talk:Werthead|talk]]) 11:42, May 10, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Grazdan mo Eraz ==
 
 
Not sure where to even begin on his page (what to say about him that is) but I uploaded his image for whoever makes it :) [[File:Grazdan_mo_Eraz_S3.jpg|right|thumb|90px]] {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 04:19, May 13, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Theon & Ramsay ==
 
 
In the books Ramsay has only recently been taken away from his existence as a peasant and made a member of House Bolton (only a year or so before AGoT), so this kind of power is still new to him, and Theon is certainly the first highborn person to come into his power. So I think it's basically that: a grubby worm (though intelligent) raised to high station who can get back at the world for the misfortunes of his early life, and the more powerful the person he can humiliate and break, the better.--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] ([[User talk:Werthead|talk]]) 10:23, May 13, 2013 (UTC)
 
:Yes, I suppose that's it. I mean the "highborn" ironbmen at Moat Cailin or the other Northerners at the siege like Rodrik? He was in a hurry so he couldn't take his sweet time (though I question why he wouldn't want to torture Rodrick...yeah maybe that was also a matter of being in a hurry). But yeah...Theon's only the first...I mean the stuff he does once Jeyne Poole is under his power (''shudder'').--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 14:26, May 13, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
==Comment on Scare Cr0w's talk page==
 
It may be that I'm co​mpletely wrong and I've been missreading the books the whole time, but I'm fairly certain I'm right.  If not could to tell me where to find those parts? [[User:Draevan13|<font face="" color="#000000">'''DRAEVAN13'''</font>]][[File:Targaryen.JPG|26px|link=User talk:Draevan13]] 19:09, May 20, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
:(I was intentionally mixing small exaggerations in with the truth to yank his chain).--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 08:18, May 23, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Hey its Buffy ==
 
 
Hey, I cleared my cache, now I can't remember my password. Anyway, I am going to go to bed for the night, but here are a couple of pictures you guys can use. "Old Man" and "Mary Frey". ....well, never mind, it won't let me even upload the pictures without logging in.... QueenBuffy
 
 
== nav boxes ==
 
 
Did you see my talk page about the nav boxes? {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 03:01, June 4, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Podcast ==
 
 
Did you listen?!!! :D {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 01:11, June 6, 2013 (UTC)
 
:About to: I missed out on a week of editing, and I'm busy "collecting the heads of state".--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 01:13, June 6, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
::Love we can always count on you for that ;) {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 01:14, June 6, 2013 (UTC) (I'm about to archive your crap for you if you don't... lol)
 
:::I was going to archive it after the last episode of Season 3 airs in four days; that way it neatly forms a "Season 3 archive".--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 01:24, June 6, 2013 (UTC)
 
::Ahhh, makes sense :) After you listen to the podcast, lets discuss. {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 01:26, June 6, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Jaime s1 pic ==
 
 
Do you know who/why Jaime's infobox image is reverted back to Season 1 Episode 1 of him, and not the most recent? {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 15:40, June 6, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
:Some new guy named "System2448" screwed with it, adding in an image of Season 1 which was also a "thumb" so it displayed improperly (then someone else tried to fix it by removing the house allegiance images). I reverted the second edit, to get the house allegiance images back, not realizing the error was with the first guy - should be fixed now.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 15:45, June 6, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
::We don't need no System messing with zee'System!!! <-- my best Austin Powers bad-guy impression. And yes, it is fixed now... we all know we can't have my beloved Jaime's page a mess! lol {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 15:55, June 6, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Boltons as great house ==
 
 
At least wait until the show brings it up.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 15:43, June 6, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
:Yes, I realize now. Things were hectic and confused the night of the episode, didn't realize they hadn't established that yet. Indeed, from trailer, I think the next episode picks up immediately after the last one, as we see Roose Bolton staring out over the burning Stark camp at the Twins.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 15:46, June 6, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== tonight... ==
 
 
Sooo, you excited about tonight's finale!? After last week, I'm not sure what to expect! {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 17:23, June 9, 2013 (UTC)
 
:I'm excited because I know what happens in the book, but I'm not really sure where the cutoff point is going to be. Certain events which blatantly happened in the last 50 pages or so of the book certainly won't appear, but other major events might happen. Like, the Joffrey/Margaery wedding introduces many new characters such as Oberyn Martell, but they haven't even been cast yet (not too spoilery to say that the wedding is going to happen, they've been setting it up). So I don't know if they're going to have the Joffrey/Margaery wedding.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 17:26, June 9, 2013 (UTC)
 
::Yeah I wasn't sure about that either... since Jaime is returning, and there will be a certain moment... in a certain "Sept".. lol. I'm not quite sure how this will play out. That's a lot to fill in one hour, but I suppose it could be done. {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 17:30, June 9, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::One of the big shocks of the Red Wedding is that it really happens in the middle of the third book, maybe even a little before the middle; it isn't even at the part of the book you ''expect'' a climax like that. I think it may have been a mistake for the TV show to put it at episode 9, because something "big" always happens at the end of the season, in episode 9 (Ned's execution, Battle of the Blackwater). Though on the other hand they split book 3 across Season 3 and Season 4 (because it's the longest book), and this is preferable to cramming it all in one season, even though it means the Red Wedding ended up being used as the "season finale" of sorts (episode 10 is always an epilogue). But yeah, I thought they might do more of one storyline or another (pushing Daenerys and Jon Snow's entire storylines into season 4), but instead, it's been pretty even across all storylines so far: the Lannister, Targaryen, Baratheon, and Night's Watch storylines are all roughly in synch with the point they were at in the middle of the third book when the Red Wedding happened.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 17:37, June 9, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
==Re: Guest Star==
 
Hey, I know it is not a complete quote, but as I explained in a past edit summary, an extra piece of information has a comma before it, here is an example:
 
 
:''Eddard Stark to his bastard son.''
 
 
There is how it should be....but to add a name is more information, that is sometimes not needed, so adding the name would be set like this:
 
   
:''Eddard Stark to his bastard son, Jon Snow.''
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== Valyrian in [[The Red Woman]] ==
   
Do you see what I mean? This is to clear up what edits I have done before, because some of it got removed.
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I'm guessing you did not get the email I sent you last night, so let me repeat more-or-less what I said there: I promise you that in the Meereen scene in [[The Red Woman]], both Tyrion and Varys are speaking [[High Valyrian]] to the beggar woman—OK, Tyrion is barely speaking any language at all, but he's clearly trying for HV: the first word is cearly supposed to be ''aōha'', HV for "your," rather than ''ao'', the Astapori equivalent (the Meereeneese equivalent seems to be ''osh'', which is even further. I guess it is at least remotely possible that the second word he says is the Meereenese reflex of ''ipradagon'' "to eat," but I doubt it). Varys is likewise speaking HV: first sentence is something like ''zȳha Valyrio *qubēgrie issa'' (that word for "terrible" is new, so I'm not certain I have it right. [http://dedalvs.tumblr.com/post/143364180027/now-that-its-got-season-is-there-any-chance-you We should find out for sure later today]), whereas in Astapori it would be more like ''zya Valyre sa **quveghri(?),'' and in Meereenese... well, again, even farther.
But about the period, I added a bit more information...and then added the period.
 
- [[User:BanishU|Liam &#34;BanishU&#34; Michaels]] ([[User talk:BanishU|talk]]) 22:36, June 9, 2013 (UTC)
 
:Sometimes who they say it to is inconsequential, though other times it does matter who they're talking to.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 22:40, June 9, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Martell family tree ==
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So, why are they speaking in High Valyrian to what is evidently a very humble inhabitant of Meereen? Well, David J. Peterson has repeatedly said that he views the situation as [[wikipedia:diglossia|diglossic]]. Basically, everyone in Meereen '''understands''' High Valyrian, even if only the nobles know how to '''speak''' it. He has explicitly compared this to the situation with Arabic today, where nearly everyone learns Classcal Arabic, at least for reading and understanding, but under normal circumstances speaks their native "dialect" (and assumes it's just a degenerate form of the language). Consequently, Dany, Tyrion, and Varys are all shown speaking only in High Valyrian, even when they understand Low Valyrian (Tyrion understands the bouncer in Volantis, for instance, and Dany understands everything Kraznys says), while most inhabitants of Slaver's Bay speak in Low Valyrian (the nobles occasionally use HV, I think, but usually they too use LV) but understand High Valyrian (e.g. Dany's speeches to the Unsullied, and the slaves of Meereen). The only characters shown not to understand HV so far (if I remember correctly) are the two shepherds victimized by Drogon... presumably there is less call for High Valyrian out in the hinterland.
   
It had Arianne, Quentyn and Ellaria Sand on it despite not being yet established in TV canon. It was also a creation of CestWhat under the new sockpuppet: Martelling.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 04:26, June 11, 2013 (UTC)
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The situation gets even more complex when you take into account the use of Astapori in Meereen, as I mentioned in my email to you, but we can save that for another day.
:I considered that we should lock the Family Tree templates so only Administrators can edit them. Then I decided no, because Cestwhat is stupid or obsessed enough to keep editing family tree templates, under each new username, even after ''I have expressly warned her'' that one of the primary reasons we keep figuring out it's her again is because ''she's almost the only non-Administrator who edits family tree templates''. Thus they should remain unlocked, simply because it's a good way of detecting Cestwhat when she screws with them.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 04:34, June 11, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Lock categories ==
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Anyway, I am really not sure exactly how the text in the episode description should be changed. I made some minor changes last night to indicate that they are in fact speaking '''High''' Valyrian, but I really wasn't sure what to do with the rest of your commentary on the sociolinguistic situation, and hoped you could figure out an appropriate way to rewrite that. Unfortunately even my minor edits have been undone since then. I mean, I guess I could go replace the text entirely with something like what I have written here, but it feels inappropriate to just wipe out all your work there, much of which is very good. I kind of hoped you'd help figure out what to keep and what to change.
   
What we ''should'' lock from anons its categories. The category vandal shows up twice a week, from a different IP address.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 21:55, June 11, 2013 (UTC)
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''Kirimvos'' and/or ''krimvo'' (also, whatever it is in Meereenese, but it sounds like ''*krimwa''), [[User:Mad Latinist|Mad Latinist]] ([[User talk:Mad Latinist|talk]]) 17:14, April 25, 2016 (UTC)
   
:I agree. This demonstrates the need to lock things. One bad anonymous user can, and has, ruined it for everyone else.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 18:51, June 14, 2013 (UTC)
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Ack...I see now. Let me get to fixing this up...--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 21:36, April 25, 2016 (UTC)
   
== Kesslerbeast ==
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Oh! I should also add that the Red Priest was also giving his sermon in HV (just as the one in Volantis did). --[[User:Mad Latinist|Mad Latinist]] ([[User talk:Mad Latinist|talk]]) 17:15, April 25, 2016 (UTC)
   
What did he do?--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 21:50, June 11, 2013 (UTC)
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==re: Discussion at bottom of articles==
:He inserted into [[Peter Dinklage]]'s page [http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Peter_Dinklage?diff=prev&oldid=95360] that Dinklage had just died in a car accident.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 21:53, June 11, 2013 (UTC)
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Hmmm... Not sure what you mean by "it shouldn't" - it looks to be working as intended. If you're asking whether the feature itself can be 'turned off', I just checked into that, and unfortunately it's not currently an option.
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:'''[[User:XD1|<span class="button">XD1</span>]]<small>@</small>'''<staff/> 21:25, April 25, 2016 (UTC)
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::Blast. Well, thanks for your time.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 21:35, April 25, 2016 (UTC)
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:::Sorry, man. you know I always help when I can...
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::::'''[[User:XD1|<span class="button">XD1</span>]]<small>@</small>'''<staff/> 20:09, April 26, 2016 (UTC)
   
== How canon are actor and producer conversations? ==
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Yeah.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 03:50, April 27, 2016 (UTC)
   
I'm just wondering, because Iwan Rheon gave a nice interview about his development of Ramsay with D&D. Among the aspects of his character they discussed was the conception by rape, and the murder of Domeric. Should this information be taken as canon?--{{The Boy Who Cried Direwolf/signiture}} 10:47, June 12, 2013 (UTC)
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== Trystane Martell ==
:Things actors state in interviews are slightly below the aired episodes in terms of canon (i.e. if Finn Jones talked about Willas and Garlan, then an episode said he's the only Tyrell son, he would be mistaken). At least, such actor statements would go under the "Behind the Scenes" section, as anything an actor says is at least "relevant". In general, though, we wouldn't put information about Domeric in the main sections of articles; even if the actor mentions the murder, it hasn't happened in the show yet - however, it would go on his page under "behind the scenes" and later get "promoted" to the main canon section.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 23:58, June 12, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Removing Barra and Mhaegen ==
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Hello Dragon. I have thought to write in the article about Trystane that he's still alive in the novels but that his death in the TV show could imply that he will die in one of the upcoming novels, would that be allright? --[[User:Exodianecross|Exodianecross]] ([[User talk:Exodianecross|talk]]) 18:14, April 27, 2016 (UTC)
   
Under that precedent, Gendry should also be removed.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 00:41, June 15, 2013 (UTC)
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1 - We have an article on "[[Ellaria Sand's coup in Dorne]]"
:Gendry is important enough of a character to warrant mention, as it is a character guide as well as family guide. All of Robert's other bastard children, and Stannis' three stillborn sons, do not serve much function as independent entries in the family tree. I'll at least finish first so you can see what I'm trying to achieve.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 00:43, June 15, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Other family trees ==
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2 - NO. ''Nothing'' about what just happened in the Season 6 premiere gives us a prediction about the novels. Frankly, it throws Myrcella's death into question.
*Martells: One with Doran, Oberyn, Elia (her children and Rhaegar) and Trystane.
 
*Florents: lets wait until more members are revealed or mentioned. I guess we'll get a few more Florents in the future
 
*Tarlys: They deserve one with Randyll, Melessa and Sam
 
*Tarths: Likewise
 
*Tyrells: Like you said: Margaery, then Loras, then Willas and then Garlan.
 
*Freys: I guess in the following seasons we'll get more Freys and, hopefully, we'll get a viewers guide tree
 
*Karstarks: Lets have one with only Torrhen and Harrion and update it if new Karstarks appear in the future.
 
*Pooles: The Pooles deserve one
 
* Marbrands: Addam "appeared" and Damon was mentioned, they deserve one as well.
 
   
--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 00:57, June 15, 2013 (UTC)
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--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 03:52, April 28, 2016 (UTC)
   
:The Baratheon one is proving to be tougher than I thought. As for the Freys, the current template is actually good enough to suffice until we get a new Viewer's Guide update.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 01:29, June 15, 2013 (UTC)
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Do you think it can be generalized to other characters as well (Selmy, Selyse, Shireen, Myrcella, Doran, Hotah, etc.) - that their death in the show does not necessarily mean they will die in the books too? [[Special:Contributions/79.180.169.55|79.180.169.55]] 06:14, April 28, 2016 (UTC)
   
:We should add, at least, Black Walder.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 02:14, June 15, 2013 (UTC)
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They stated that Shireen will die in the novels. Otherwise we don't really have "proof" or even solid clues that deaths in the TV series probably correspond to the books (except ''maybe'' for major characters such as Cersei or Jaime; they will be following the broadest strokes). Don't fixate on this.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 18:57, April 28, 2016 (UTC)
   
== Tyrell family tree ==
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== Animals and plants portal ==
   
Could you restore Willas and Garlan?--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 16:57, June 15, 2013 (UTC)
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Are you happy with it as it stands? - {{Xanderen/signature}} 08:53, April 28, 2016 (UTC)
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:Great. Though are there any other more closeup images that can be used for Weirwood trees? current version is too zoomed-out.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 19:27, April 28, 2016 (UTC)
   
== Cassel and Poole ==
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::Better? - {{Xanderen/signature}} 09:12, April 29, 2016 (UTC)
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::Also, the episode guide on the main page hasn't been updated yet. - {{Xanderen/signature}} 09:13, April 29, 2016 (UTC)
   
Has Beth Cassel been established in any way in the show?. Also, I think that the wives shouldn't be referred to as "Lady Cassel" or "Lady Poole", since neither Cassels nor Pooles are "lords".--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 07:49, June 15, 2013 (UTC)
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==Nav Bar and other edits==
:Martin himself has acknowledged how vague and nonspecific his ranks and terminology of nobility are: everyone who isn't a king is called a "lord" instead of "Duke" or something. The problem is that every "highborn" gets called "lord" or "lady" by default, without being the actual "Lord" or "Lady" (capital L) of something. For example, Arya would be called "my lady" without actually being Lady of anything.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 08:24, June 15, 2013 (UTC)
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The "Oathbreaker" link on the nav bar under Season 6 doesn't lead to that episode page, it just leads to the deleted page with the mispelling. Also 6x04 is called "Book of a Stranger" so you can probably add that as well. [[User:Alcasinoroyale|Alcasinoroyale]] ([[User talk:Alcasinoroyale|talk]]) 20:18, April 28, 2016 (UTC)
   
:Beth hasn't been established in the show yet, but as it's just a family tree and she's not that big of a character (as opposed to revealing who Ramsay Snow was in Season 2), I didn't think it would hurt anything.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 18:16, June 15, 2013 (UTC)
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Also, I mentioned this on the talk page for the "Home" episode, but nobody ever changed it. You have the episode written by D&D, but HBO confirmed that Episode 2 is written by Dave Hill. So that's something else to add. [[User:Alcasinoroyale|Alcasinoroyale]] ([[User talk:Alcasinoroyale|talk]]) 00:38, April 29, 2016 (UTC)
   
== Joanna and Stafford Lannister tree ==
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==Hello==
   
Nice job.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 07:50, June 15, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Main Lannister tree ==
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<p style="font-weight:normal;">Wow, I was going to take it personally that you were online and didn't reply; now I understand why it took you five hours to do that. I thought I was on a Davos chapter :3.</p>
Adding Trystane is confusing. It might lead someone to think he's Myrcella's lover as Jaime and Cersei have the same type of line.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 17:38, June 15, 2013 (UTC)
 
:In general, I thought we were using the dotted lines to represent "significant romantic pairing" that wasn't a marriage, i.e. Loras and Renly, and that this went up to and including betrothal. Myrcella and Trystane do seem to have a surprisingly good relationship, all things considered. I thought we'd use them for "betrothal" as well, particularly because I've encountered people who forgot that Myrcella got paired up with Trystane.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 18:15, June 15, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
:The dotted line was used to refer to "sexual liaison" outside marriage. Under that precedent, Shae should also be in the Lannister tree, even more so than Trystane.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 19:54, June 21, 2013 (UTC)
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<p style="font-weight:normal;">I'm sorry for the misunderstanding but I thought I mentioned Asoiaf Wiki; you know the one that 2 people edit.. Aw yeah it's the topic of this conversation :).</p>
   
== The Pest ==
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<p style="font-weight:normal;">First of all let me tell you that I'm really impressed; you surely deserve to be a bureaucrat admin. Did you have all this information about us in your mind, or did you just make a research? Because I assure you, you missed the conversation when I declined the offer to be an admin. They promoted me anyway, but I'm telling you, they were only bored of me asking them to delete or change the name of a page :P. I still pretend I'm not Admin though.</p>
I think we should include Werthead on this. I have deleted EVERY contribution of the latest sockpuppet I detected but I agree its not enough.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 08:35, June 21, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
http://downtonabbey.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:CestWhat?oldid=25677#Your_continued_existence_offends_me
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<p style="font-weight:normal;">Surely you think this is irrelevant, but here is the thing.. some people make edits for the fun of it, not the title.</p>
   
"From this moment on... There will be no further reprisals against civilians. This was stupid. Impotence. Comrades... If a fox stole your chickens... Would you slaughter your pig because he saw the fox? No. You would hunt the fox... '''You would find where it lives and destroy it!''' And how do we do this? ''Become a fox''." --[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 13:23, June 21, 2013 (UTC)
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<p style="font-weight:normal;">Now let's get back to our topic. I don't mind honesty in people. in fact I love it, so you don't have to apologize :3. The only thing that irritated me is that you read My conversations in My talk page.</p>
   
== Florent family tree ==
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<p style="font-weight:normal;">All in all I agree with everything you said. I'm aware of most of it, I mean we are half started Wiki and we don't stand a chance against Weteros group. but hey who said we think of it as a competition? Again I personally like editing, then who cares if I'm editing at the top of the world, or some side pit at the bottom!</p>
   
Do we know for certain Imry Florent is dead?. Also, you should add Stannis and Shireen to it.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 01:46, June 23, 2013 (UTC)
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<p style="font-weight:normal;">However, I've just noticed one more thing, I don't know if Weteros group are some self-centered group! but if linking asoiaf Wiki might anger them, then the last thing we'd like to do is cut off the coat tail you're riding. We definitely don't want to pull you down with us.</p>
   
:I'm not finished with it yet; it will be finished (and open to revision) when I openly post it in main articles (which will be in a few minutes). The show didn't establish that Imry is dead, but then again it only identified him as "Imry Florent" in the credits - I thought this was a good example of one of those moments where we use the books to fill in the gaps. Certainly, for a guy acting as Stannis' lieutenant at the Battle of the Blackwater, we never see him again in all of Season 3.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 01:49, June 23, 2013 (UTC)
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<p style="font-weight:normal;">'''I'm not trying to insult you.''' But I get the feeling we're becoming good friends : ).</p>
   
::Like the Greatjon. And Kevan Lannister. And Lancel. And.. you get the idea.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 06:16, June 27, 2013 (UTC)
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<p style="font-weight:normal;">I'd like to thank you for bringing the Wret boy subject; I can see why you're angry about it.. We should probably file to Wikia asking for the demotion of LordSnow and Werthead; neither serves any purpose as staff there, and their presence as such does make the Wiki more unprofessional.</p>
   
==The CestWhat Saga==
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<p style="font-weight:normal;">Lastly:</p>
If you've reported it to the relevant Wikia authorities, is there much more we can do?--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] ([[User talk:Werthead|talk]]) 15:03, June 24, 2013 (UTC)
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*Joe and I didn't put faith in anyone, since there was no one to begin with. We don't feel abandoned.. at least I don't
:I'm inexperienced with this kind of thing, so I'm not sure if I indeed reported it to the correct authorities at Wikia: what I'm asking is if the complaint I filed was indeed sent to the proper section.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 15:05, June 24, 2013 (UTC)
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*I'm actually deeply upset that you didn't get the chance to get in an international airplane flights paid for by Wikia itself, to attend convention panels in the US, and take Selfie with the cast members in place of the Wret boy. you deserve better.
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*Thank you very much for your offer, I will surely think about it in the future, however I don't think you want me on this Wiki; although it has been very nice and informative to tlk to you, and I've met some other cool and cooperative users such as Xanderen, let alone how active this Wiki is.. Yet I'm deeply sorry; I haven't watched a single episode of GoT.
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*I know, major loss for the Wiki, but maybe when I start the series... since you mentioned an '''Open Invitation''' ;)
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*I'll let Joe know about your offer, you can expect an answer any time soon.
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<p style="font-weight:normal;">I know you think this was hard to read*, but I'm telling you again... I joined asoiaf Wiki aware of the situation I'm in; even Joe wasn't active back then. Maybe you'll find someone like me who thinks it's fun to edit, and not interested in a Selfie with the cast members.. See ya. [[User:May Kaiba|May Kaiba]] ([[User talk:May Kaiba|talk]]) 22:20, April 29, 2016 (UTC)</p>
   
::Well, the b*tca is still prowling. I've just blocked her latest incarnation and deleted pretty much all edits.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 20:37, July 4, 2013 (UTC)
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== two pics ==
   
:::I'm going to move the Family Tree templates up from "Block new users" to "Block non-Administrators" -- how long does a member have to be on the site before they are no longer considered "new". According to her contributions page, she was able to edit House Templates locked with "Block New Users" after only four days of editing.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 22:53, July 4, 2013 (UTC)
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I added two pictures... and I am proud of those two! I wish I had HBO (for those who aren't aware, I am a psychology student and I am basically broke lol) and could edit more freely. lol
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I hope you know, even if I am not around often, I LOVE this Wiki and I am here if you need anything, I will always stop in and check on things! I can always be a mediator lol. You guys are the best! {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 05:26, April 30, 2016 (UTC)
   
::::The problem is that she'll then create new templates to replace the blocked ones, kind of like what she does with the images.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 23:01, July 4, 2013 (UTC)
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== Absurdity the key word ==
   
:::::...you're right, she will. We will have to resort to "Plan R". God help us all.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 23:06, July 4, 2013 (UTC)
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What an awesome message, thank you!
   
Mdreyes1228 was blocked for spamming. I don't think it was the pest. The username doesn't fir the profile.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 01:17, July 5, 2013 (UTC)
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I did finally get a chance to view the episode... the following day. :) I was very disappointed in the Sand Snakes as well. It is obvious that Dorne is in chaos and WILL fail/fall from Ellaria's choices. Why kill Trystane? Because he would have been next in line? Simply because he was a male? They could have molded him into being a new, strong leader. Who will take Dorne seriously now? I totally agree with what you're saying on the misogynistic part.
:CestWhat is out of control. I could only hope that this person seeks professional help in their real life. Talk about wasting your time trolling the Game of Thrones wiki lol {{Template:Buffymybasset/sig}} 01:19, July 5, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
==The Mountain That Talks==
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The episode was a little anti-climatic-- though it <i>did</i> update us on most of the characters. I wonder when Bran will come into play, as well as Bronn... where is he??
The return of Ch'vyalthan?--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 22:06, June 26, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
:I doubt it; Ch'vyalthan was even worse than this, made even more ridiculous mistakes, had a different typing style, and would have been making far more edits.--[[User:The Dragon Demands|The Dragon Demands]] ([[User talk:The Dragon Demands|talk]]) 23:00, June 26, 2013 (UTC)
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Seeing a new Khal made me miss Drogo and Jason Momoa... but that is probably just a woman thing. ;)
   
==Massacre of the Stark household==
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I thought it was a cool reveal about Melisandre... it shows just how powerful the woman actually is. That said, I really hope she can bring Jon back in some way... his revenge would be so epic! I do hope we get to see Ghost tearing shit up too! haha
   
Per the example set by the Red Wedding article, I think should we have one named "Massacre at the Red Keep", since ifs one of the events that plunges the realm into war. What do you think.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 19:23, June 27, 2013 (UTC)
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I'm sure you read about how the final seasons of GoT will be much shorter. Not sure how I feel about that. :( Actually, I do know how I feel about that... it blows. I don't ever want the show to end... though I don't want it jumping the shark either.
   
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As far as being broke... yeahhh, every college graduate in America is, sadly. I've just signed up to go back to school myself... to get my masters in Counseling. I'm either brave or stupid... I haven't decided yet. haha
I have created a War of the Five Kings template: [[:Template:WarOfTheFiveKings]]. Be sure to take a look and improve it anyway you see fit. I also think we should find some kind of name of the raid of Amory Lorch against Yoren and the Watch recruits. The books make no mention on where it takes place.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 19:23, June 27, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
:So it turns out that, according the books, the nameless holdfast is located in a town '''by the Gods Eye'''. What do you think of "Raid by the God's Eye"? --[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] ([[User talk:Gonzalo84|talk]]) 20:23, June 27, 2013 (UTC)
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Episodes leaked Edit

Just so you know, the first few episodes have leaked. From the screeners, one assumes. They're all over the torrent sites. So we should probably prepare for a lot of people trying to add photos from it, or information from the episodes, which is based on illegitimate means of acquiring the episodes. Anyway, thought you should know. —ArticXiongmao (talk) 02:22, April 12, 2015 (UTC) 

BY THE RAGING FURY OF THE *SKY DEMON*, THIS AFFRONT WILL NOT GO UNANSWERED.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 02:29, April 12, 2015 (UTC)

Dear God in heaven...--Ser Patrek (talk) 08:15, April 12, 2015 (UTC)

Heads up Edit

HBO Canada aired the premiere last night by mistake - it was all over the fileshare sites before anyone could stop it... - Xanderen signature 12:04, April 23, 2016 (UTC)

.....(Long, silent pause)....

....

Burn them all.

--The Dragon Demands (talk) 12:24, April 23, 2016 (UTC)

Locked pageEdit

Why is the season 6 premiere locked? Is it to prevent the spoilers? I wanted to like help out and make a couple tweaks while watching the opening and end credits cause some people may not be included. S hannon434 (talk) 00:42, April 25, 2016 (UTC)

We don't edit live, that gets too messy. We unlock it the instant it finishes airing. Keep notes, that's what I do.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 01:01, April 25, 2016 (UTC)

Valyrian in The Red Woman Edit

I'm guessing you did not get the email I sent you last night, so let me repeat more-or-less what I said there: I promise you that in the Meereen scene in The Red Woman, both Tyrion and Varys are speaking High Valyrian to the beggar woman—OK, Tyrion is barely speaking any language at all, but he's clearly trying for HV: the first word is cearly supposed to be aōha, HV for "your," rather than ao, the Astapori equivalent (the Meereeneese equivalent seems to be osh, which is even further. I guess it is at least remotely possible that the second word he says is the Meereenese reflex of ipradagon "to eat," but I doubt it). Varys is likewise speaking HV: first sentence is something like zȳha Valyrio *qubēgrie issa (that word for "terrible" is new, so I'm not certain I have it right. We should find out for sure later today), whereas in Astapori it would be more like zya Valyre sa **quveghri(?), and in Meereenese... well, again, even farther.

So, why are they speaking in High Valyrian to what is evidently a very humble inhabitant of Meereen? Well, David J. Peterson has repeatedly said that he views the situation as diglossic. Basically, everyone in Meereen understands High Valyrian, even if only the nobles know how to speak it. He has explicitly compared this to the situation with Arabic today, where nearly everyone learns Classcal Arabic, at least for reading and understanding, but under normal circumstances speaks their native "dialect" (and assumes it's just a degenerate form of the language). Consequently, Dany, Tyrion, and Varys are all shown speaking only in High Valyrian, even when they understand Low Valyrian (Tyrion understands the bouncer in Volantis, for instance, and Dany understands everything Kraznys says), while most inhabitants of Slaver's Bay speak in Low Valyrian (the nobles occasionally use HV, I think, but usually they too use LV) but understand High Valyrian (e.g. Dany's speeches to the Unsullied, and the slaves of Meereen). The only characters shown not to understand HV so far (if I remember correctly) are the two shepherds victimized by Drogon... presumably there is less call for High Valyrian out in the hinterland.

The situation gets even more complex when you take into account the use of Astapori in Meereen, as I mentioned in my email to you, but we can save that for another day.

Anyway, I am really not sure exactly how the text in the episode description should be changed. I made some minor changes last night to indicate that they are in fact speaking High Valyrian, but I really wasn't sure what to do with the rest of your commentary on the sociolinguistic situation, and hoped you could figure out an appropriate way to rewrite that. Unfortunately even my minor edits have been undone since then. I mean, I guess I could go replace the text entirely with something like what I have written here, but it feels inappropriate to just wipe out all your work there, much of which is very good. I kind of hoped you'd help figure out what to keep and what to change.

Kirimvos and/or krimvo (also, whatever it is in Meereenese, but it sounds like *krimwa), Mad Latinist (talk) 17:14, April 25, 2016 (UTC)

Ack...I see now. Let me get to fixing this up...--The Dragon Demands (talk) 21:36, April 25, 2016 (UTC)

Oh! I should also add that the Red Priest was also giving his sermon in HV (just as the one in Volantis did). --Mad Latinist (talk) 17:15, April 25, 2016 (UTC)

re: Discussion at bottom of articlesEdit

Hmmm... Not sure what you mean by "it shouldn't" - it looks to be working as intended. If you're asking whether the feature itself can be 'turned off', I just checked into that, and unfortunately it's not currently an option.

XD1@@Wikia 21:25, April 25, 2016 (UTC)
Blast. Well, thanks for your time.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 21:35, April 25, 2016 (UTC)
Sorry, man. you know I always help when I can...
XD1@@Wikia 20:09, April 26, 2016 (UTC)

Yeah.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 03:50, April 27, 2016 (UTC)

Trystane Martell Edit

Hello Dragon. I have thought to write in the article about Trystane that he's still alive in the novels but that his death in the TV show could imply that he will die in one of the upcoming novels, would that be allright? --Exodianecross (talk) 18:14, April 27, 2016 (UTC)

1 - We have an article on "Ellaria Sand's coup in Dorne"

2 - NO. Nothing about what just happened in the Season 6 premiere gives us a prediction about the novels. Frankly, it throws Myrcella's death into question.

--The Dragon Demands (talk) 03:52, April 28, 2016 (UTC)

Do you think it can be generalized to other characters as well (Selmy, Selyse, Shireen, Myrcella, Doran, Hotah, etc.) - that their death in the show does not necessarily mean they will die in the books too? 79.180.169.55 06:14, April 28, 2016 (UTC)

They stated that Shireen will die in the novels. Otherwise we don't really have "proof" or even solid clues that deaths in the TV series probably correspond to the books (except maybe for major characters such as Cersei or Jaime; they will be following the broadest strokes). Don't fixate on this.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:57, April 28, 2016 (UTC)

Animals and plants portal Edit

Are you happy with it as it stands? - Xanderen signature 08:53, April 28, 2016 (UTC)

Great. Though are there any other more closeup images that can be used for Weirwood trees? current version is too zoomed-out.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 19:27, April 28, 2016 (UTC)
Better? - Xanderen signature 09:12, April 29, 2016 (UTC)
Also, the episode guide on the main page hasn't been updated yet. - Xanderen signature 09:13, April 29, 2016 (UTC)

Nav Bar and other editsEdit

The "Oathbreaker" link on the nav bar under Season 6 doesn't lead to that episode page, it just leads to the deleted page with the mispelling. Also 6x04 is called "Book of a Stranger" so you can probably add that as well. Alcasinoroyale (talk) 20:18, April 28, 2016 (UTC)

Also, I mentioned this on the talk page for the "Home" episode, but nobody ever changed it. You have the episode written by D&D, but HBO confirmed that Episode 2 is written by Dave Hill. So that's something else to add. Alcasinoroyale (talk) 00:38, April 29, 2016 (UTC)

HelloEdit

Wow, I was going to take it personally that you were online and didn't reply; now I understand why it took you five hours to do that. I thought I was on a Davos chapter :3.

I'm sorry for the misunderstanding but I thought I mentioned Asoiaf Wiki; you know the one that 2 people edit.. Aw yeah it's the topic of this conversation :).

First of all let me tell you that I'm really impressed; you surely deserve to be a bureaucrat admin. Did you have all this information about us in your mind, or did you just make a research? Because I assure you, you missed the conversation when I declined the offer to be an admin. They promoted me anyway, but I'm telling you, they were only bored of me asking them to delete or change the name of a page :P. I still pretend I'm not Admin though.

Surely you think this is irrelevant, but here is the thing.. some people make edits for the fun of it, not the title.

Now let's get back to our topic. I don't mind honesty in people. in fact I love it, so you don't have to apologize :3. The only thing that irritated me is that you read My conversations in My talk page.

All in all I agree with everything you said. I'm aware of most of it, I mean we are half started Wiki and we don't stand a chance against Weteros group. but hey who said we think of it as a competition? Again I personally like editing, then who cares if I'm editing at the top of the world, or some side pit at the bottom!

However, I've just noticed one more thing, I don't know if Weteros group are some self-centered group! but if linking asoiaf Wiki might anger them, then the last thing we'd like to do is cut off the coat tail you're riding. We definitely don't want to pull you down with us.

I'm not trying to insult you. But I get the feeling we're becoming good friends : ).

I'd like to thank you for bringing the Wret boy subject; I can see why you're angry about it.. We should probably file to Wikia asking for the demotion of LordSnow and Werthead; neither serves any purpose as staff there, and their presence as such does make the Wiki more unprofessional.

Lastly:

  • Joe and I didn't put faith in anyone, since there was no one to begin with. We don't feel abandoned.. at least I don't
  • I'm actually deeply upset that you didn't get the chance to get in an international airplane flights paid for by Wikia itself, to attend convention panels in the US, and take Selfie with the cast members in place of the Wret boy. you deserve better.
  • Thank you very much for your offer, I will surely think about it in the future, however I don't think you want me on this Wiki; although it has been very nice and informative to tlk to you, and I've met some other cool and cooperative users such as Xanderen, let alone how active this Wiki is.. Yet I'm deeply sorry; I haven't watched a single episode of GoT.
  • I know, major loss for the Wiki, but maybe when I start the series... since you mentioned an Open Invitation ;)
  • I'll let Joe know about your offer, you can expect an answer any time soon.

I know you think this was hard to read*, but I'm telling you again... I joined asoiaf Wiki aware of the situation I'm in; even Joe wasn't active back then. Maybe you'll find someone like me who thinks it's fun to edit, and not interested in a Selfie with the cast members.. See ya. May Kaiba (talk) 22:20, April 29, 2016 (UTC)

two pics Edit

I added two pictures... and I am proud of those two! I wish I had HBO (for those who aren't aware, I am a psychology student and I am basically broke lol) and could edit more freely. lol I hope you know, even if I am not around often, I LOVE this Wiki and I am here if you need anything, I will always stop in and check on things! I can always be a mediator lol. You guys are the best! QueenBuffy35 Crown New Red 05:26, April 30, 2016 (UTC)

Absurdity the key word Edit

What an awesome message, thank you!

I did finally get a chance to view the episode... the following day. :) I was very disappointed in the Sand Snakes as well. It is obvious that Dorne is in chaos and WILL fail/fall from Ellaria's choices. Why kill Trystane? Because he would have been next in line? Simply because he was a male? They could have molded him into being a new, strong leader. Who will take Dorne seriously now? I totally agree with what you're saying on the misogynistic part.

The episode was a little anti-climatic-- though it did update us on most of the characters. I wonder when Bran will come into play, as well as Bronn... where is he??

Seeing a new Khal made me miss Drogo and Jason Momoa... but that is probably just a woman thing. ;)

I thought it was a cool reveal about Melisandre... it shows just how powerful the woman actually is. That said, I really hope she can bring Jon back in some way... his revenge would be so epic! I do hope we get to see Ghost tearing shit up too! haha

I'm sure you read about how the final seasons of GoT will be much shorter. Not sure how I feel about that. :( Actually, I do know how I feel about that... it blows. I don't ever want the show to end... though I don't want it jumping the shark either.

As far as being broke... yeahhh, every college graduate in America is, sadly. I've just signed up to go back to school myself... to get my masters in Counseling. I'm either brave or stupid... I haven't decided yet. haha

QueenBuffy35 Crown New Red 18:15, April 30, 2016 (UTC)

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